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10/12/2004 04:22:32 PM · #1 |
The votes will end in a few hours and the challenge will be decided so maybe I'm a bit late. But I feel like I was missing something here:
Let me just copy here the challenge's wording:
Photograph 'part' of something. Do not photograph the entire subject. Be creative with your angle and approach to your subject.
Now please help me understand this: Does Photograph 'part' means photograph the whole thing and crop just a tiny bit of it?
Maybe I'm not fluent with the language or maybe I'm just picky. But I really did not like all those tiny bits of pictures that are clearly croped from a picture that had the whole object photographed. To me, this just wasn't what this challenge about. And I have found this very dissapointing.
Message edited by author 2004-10-12 16:22:55.
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10/12/2004 04:26:18 PM · #2 |
well...how do you know if it was shot that way or cropped, in all honesty?
My picture was shot that way, not that you know what it is..and I got a comment that I shouldn't have rotated it. I didn't. It's posted exactly the way it was shot. Odd lines and all. But because the rules said be creative, I'm getting penalized for it. |
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10/12/2004 04:26:19 PM · #3 |
Perhaps you are just assuming that all the photos in the challenge are just cropped from the whole picture??
Judging by the comment you left on mine, this is so.
Well, you assumed wrong, my shot is straight from camera with no cropping...it can be done!
Premature judging I think? |
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10/12/2004 04:28:01 PM · #4 |
I am curious, if the entry is up to the size limits, how would you know you are looking at a crop?
I think images that are submitted below the size limit always do poorly regardless. |
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10/12/2004 04:28:14 PM · #5 |
How can you tell whether it's a crop vs. a photo of the whole?
Wow! 3 others beat me to the same response!!
Message edited by author 2004-10-12 16:28:58. |
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10/12/2004 04:31:27 PM · #6 |
| I think my shot is actually a victim of the other extreme. Because the shot looks complete, the assumption is being made that it is not "part" of something. I think the shots that are obviously "part" of something and may appear cropped from a whole are probably doing better than mine. |
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10/12/2004 04:32:51 PM · #7 |
Since I only got 50 more views then votes I guess my way of thinking about this challenge was incorrect.
I guess I fail in my interpretation of the challenge topic or my technique was flawed. I hope that when the challenge is over, I can get some input from people that didn't get a chance to during the challenge. |
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10/12/2004 04:33:06 PM · #8 |
Ok, first - from your comments I get the feeling that I must've sounded a bit too harsh. This wasn't my intention at all! This is part of the language problem. So if anyone was offended in any way - I appologize!
As for the comments: I also received more then a few comments talking about my crop, when my picture just as well is presented AS IS. No cropping was made what-so-ever. It's true. I can never know which was actually taken as a 'part' photograph and which was not.
I am not talking about this. I am refering to more then a few photographs that are so tiny cropped that one can hardly understand what he/she sees. Photographs that are in the resolution of less then 200 pixels etc. For a start - personally I can hardly see anything in this size. And then there's the question of the challenge: was it really intended for such vicious crop? I don't know, but I just realy don't like it.
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10/12/2004 04:40:33 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by Jinjit:
Now please help me understand this: Does Photograph 'part' means photograph the whole thing and crop just a tiny bit of it?
Maybe I'm not fluent with the language or maybe I'm just picky. But I really did not like all those tiny bits of pictures that are clearly croped from a picture that had the whole object photographed. To me, this just wasn't what this challenge about. And I have found this very dissapointing. |
Unfortunately not everyone has a camera that zooms in really close to a particular object. Not everyone here owns a newer camera.
If we all had the same camera, computer, monitor calibration, etc; I think we can be more picky IMHO.
Message edited by author 2004-10-12 16:41:53. |
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10/12/2004 04:44:38 PM · #10 |
Well, I don't think it matters if it was cropped or not cropped. If it is a part of something, and not the entire thing, then I vote well for it.
My submission was not cropped, and I haven't recevied a single comment on the 'cropping' of my photo. I didn't realize that it was even an issue.
Vote on the 'parts' of the photo, not what you think is out of frame. |
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10/12/2004 05:09:44 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by Jinjit:
I am not talking about this. I am refering to more then a few photographs that are so tiny cropped that one can hardly understand what he/she sees. Photographs that are in the resolution of less then 200 pixels etc. For a start - personally I can hardly see anything in this size. And then there's the question of the challenge: was it really intended for such vicious crop? I don't know, but I just realy don't like it. |
FWIW, this is a problem that comes up on a somewhat regular basis. There are often at least a few entries in a challenge (especially a big one) where the picture is resized too much. Sometimes they are pictures from new participants and/or digital photographers, and they haven't learned the value of submitting the largest possible dimensions. Sometimes its an issue of file size - they haven't learned the tricks to get the best, largest image and still keep the file size under 150k. And sometimes its on purpose (though usually not down to the 200 pixel range) - the image can't be kept under the 150k limit without either resizing it to a smaller dimension, or using a higher compression and introducing noticable compression artifacts.
So, even though I understand what you're saying, the comments above still stand: Just because a submitted image is small, you can't necessarily assume that the reason is that it was cropped significantly from the original. |
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10/12/2004 05:15:21 PM · #12 |
| yeah in my parts challenge, my photo is not cropped but it is tiny because i saved it as a web image where the pixels were 96, not realizing it would be so small but the picture is as is, nearly every comment i recieved was about how small it was, cant do anything about it now. i wouldnt make the assumption though, that it was cropped into nothing. this was just a purely newbie and dumb mistake on my part |
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10/12/2004 06:49:23 PM · #13 |
Ok guys, you're right. I just did not think about all that.
I saw some really small images (and I mean really small!) in this challenge - while I never noticed those in earlier challenges.
I assumed that they were this small because of a vicious crop from a normal sized image.
Apparently - I was wrong here.
Look, I have nothing against cropping. I actually believe that the right crop can build or ruin a photograph. I gave quite a few comments about this issue in this challenge and in others.
I just could not understand why would anyone submit SUCH small images, and since I did not see it before - I connected it to the challenge and got very dissapointed by that.
Anyone who felt offended by my remarks - please forgive me. This was totaly NOT my intention.
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