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10/04/2004 02:16:45 AM · #1 |
Whats with all the zoo photos in the 'Wildlife' Challenge? The challenge said the animals should be in a "natural environment", while zoo's are "man-made". Would't a zoo photo mean it doesn't fall within the scope of the challenge?
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10/04/2004 02:17:33 AM · #2 |
| A zoo is a natural environment for a zoo animal. |
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10/04/2004 02:20:05 AM · #3 |
try directing this to the originating thread:
//www.dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=read&FORUM_THREAD_ID=130204
Message edited by author 2004-10-04 02:20:21. |
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10/04/2004 02:20:08 AM · #4 |
lol
But they are domesticated then. |
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10/04/2004 02:21:01 AM · #5 |
| no, they're not. Try stepping into a cage with a lion from a zoo, and see if it doesn't rip off your head. |
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10/04/2004 02:22:08 AM · #6 |
Birds build nests, beavers build damns -- all perfectly natural.
So what is so unnatural about people building cities with zoos in them?
The challenge does not say it has to be the animals natural habitat, just a habitat that is natural -- and it is quite natural for people to build things.
David
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10/04/2004 02:26:38 AM · #7 |
yea but it's not the animal's natural environment.. it's the man made one... too me that doesn't qualify...
if it's born in a zoo it's not really a wild animal. Nor would a wild animal captured and transfered to a zoo be in a natural environment. The other thread said something about a shot of a zoo animal not including the "zoo" like envoronment.. I think thats fair... just to save writing a bunch of comments, for me, if it's obvious the animal is in a zoo, my grading starts at 5 rather than 10. Too many times there are tons of shots that just don't fall within the guidelines.. scoring those shots high just isnt fair to those that worked their tails off trying to get a shot that meets the challenge... and that is one of the main points... to meet the challenge... but that's just my opinion
Message edited by author 2004-10-04 02:27:31.
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10/04/2004 02:32:46 AM · #8 |
I think you will be hard pressed to find any animals in a human dominated land (especially the more developed lands) that is not there strictly due to human intervention. From conservation laws to 'natural' parks, the animals would have been eliminated long ago without having become the 'pets' of our society.
In fact, the only animals that seem to survive quite well despite our best efforts are the insects of the world. Does that make insects the last 'natural' inhabitants of this planet?
David
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10/04/2004 02:43:55 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by Anachronite:
yea but it's not the animal's natural environment.. it's the man made one... too me that doesn't qualify...
if it's born in a zoo it's not really a wild animal. Nor would a wild animal captured and transfered to a zoo be in a natural environment. |
just a couple of things that occurs to me; i don't think the issue is the wildness of an animal - i think the actual terminology that applies in this challenge is "non-domesticated". atsxus comment about a lion not being tame wherever you might find him (other than the world of Disney) is exceptionally valid.
also, i've quickly run through the shots in the challenge, and very few (if any) have man-made things such as fences, concrete, glass and the like. how can you be sure that none of the tiger shots have been taken by on of our membership who's on safari? and the small amount that do include buildings or roads features animals where developed areas might in fact now after adaption be its natural habitat. i'd be hard-pressed to penalise more than half a dozen shots that might be construed as not within the guidelines...
Message edited by author 2004-10-04 02:44:16. |
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10/04/2004 03:00:37 AM · #10 |
| I just don't see what's to be gained from going to a zoo, or other man-made controlled environment, and getting your shot that way if your goal is to learn what it means to do 'wildlife' photography. It seems obvious to me that a shot from a zoo is not a photograph of a wild animal. They are domesticated, and although they can still be dangerous to humans that doesn't mean they can fend for themselves in the wild, but rather that they are just protecting their territory (an instinct). Certainly it is not their natural environment, even if they were born in a zoo. Animals in a zoo don't do the same things that a creature in the wild does. They don't have the same concerns for food, water, security and all the rest. |
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10/04/2004 03:09:48 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by redmoon:
just a couple of things that occurs to me; i don't think the issue is the wildness of an animal - i think the actual terminology that applies in this challenge is "non-domesticated". atsxus comment about a lion not being tame wherever you might find him (other than the world of Disney) is exceptionally valid. |
Actually the two key concepts for this challenge are "non-domesticated" and "natural environment." I think the term domesticated has to do with whether or not the animal is used to, and familiar with living with humans. This would apply to an animal living in the zoo, but not to an animal living in the wild. An animal that gets it food from humans is domesticated. An animal that is not allowed to wonder about freely is domesticated. An animal that sees hundreds or thousands of people everyday is domesticated. I think tameness (defined as more passive and non-threatening) is only one aspect of domestication and aggressiveness if one enters it's immediate space may have more to do with it perceiving a threat and reacting to it.
Originally posted by redmoon:
also, i've quickly run through the shots in the challenge, and very few (if any) have man-made things such as fences, concrete, glass and the like. how can you be sure that none of the tiger shots have been taken by on of our membership who's on safari? and the small amount that do include buildings or roads features animals where developed areas might in fact now after adaption be its natural habitat. i'd be hard-pressed to penalise more than half a dozen shots that might be construed as not within the guidelines... |
Yes, I agree with you that it may be difficult to tell the zoo from the real 'wildlife' shots. |
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