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06/24/2015 10:12:46 PM · #26

I've stayed out of most of these rant threads for fear of getting sucked in to the thoughts of others that can't be swayed no matter what you try to tell them. The site and internet in general has a my way or the highway mentality where everyone is right and everyone else is wrong.

I don't understand why members cannot see this challenge for what it is. Yes, there is a scoring and winning aspect to it which is needed. Yes, it spurs good conversation on voting and scoring sometime. I like a good debate but this is my first time doing DPL and what I am getting is a great private thread where awesome conversations on photography are going on. Maybe you don't have that with your teams and I'm sorry. With all these rants full of people crying about why their photo is scoring low I think most do not get what I feel is the main point of this site and the DPL....learning from each other.

Furthermore, I checked everyone in this thread so far and guess what, surprise, surprise!!! Every single persons average score received (for graveyard and Road signs) averages almost exactly or higher than YOUR average score received during your entire careers here on the site. So before bitching about how much better you "think" your photography is and how the voters are lowering your score check the stats.

Message edited by author 2015-06-24 22:19:42.

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

06/24/2015 10:22:37 PM · #27

Also look deep down inside and tell me you are not rushing and trying to enter in challenges just to help your team and get something in. Photo's taken and edited in haste will not score well. The added pressure of the DPL can also stress you a little. These things effect a score as well. I would have never entered a road sign challenge had it not been for DPL. Not my style and I don't care for them. I rushed, got something together for my team to critique, entered it and it showed in my score.

Melethia

Canon EOS-80D

06/25/2015 12:49:21 AM · #28

Average vote rec'd: 5.7765
Road signs: 5.4839
Graveyard: 5.4000

Just a data point. And I'm happy with both of my entries - thought they were well suited for the challenge. My teammates did, too.

To be fair, I have not been able to hit my average half the time (which would be logical) for quite a while now, so it's not DPL, it's my photography. There's that!

Edit to add my next two DPL scores sit at 5.6 and 4.3.

Message edited by author 2015-06-25 02:38:02.

smardaz

06/25/2015 12:55:45 AM · #29

Originally posted by SEG:

Haven't rushed at all, still have a week to take a picture like always.

Tiny

Apple iPad mini 4

06/25/2015 03:08:55 AM · #30

Originally posted by SEG:

Have ever thought you may be taking this a little to seriously ?

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

06/25/2015 07:05:19 AM · #31

Originally posted by Tiny:

Have ever thought you may be taking this a little to seriously ?

SEG isn't the one taking it too seriously: it's the folks going on and on about how their scores are dropping that maybe need to lighten up and go with the flow...

jagar

Samsung Galaxy S9/S9+

Sony Sonnar FE 2.8 35mm ZA

06/25/2015 07:20:42 AM · #32

This is an online photography site and as such the scores don't mean a thing in the real word, normally what wins isn't what's good, normally what wins isn't what you would show in an art gallery, normally what wins here wouldn't be chosen as a winner by a set of independent photography judges. Lighten up and don't forget that scores don't equal greatness and if you keep trying and trying to win here all you'll do is suck the part of you that you should be trying to enhance right out of your photos.

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 USM

06/25/2015 07:22:26 AM · #33

Originally posted by Tiny:

Originally posted by SEG:
Also look deep down inside and tell me you are not rushing and trying to enter in challenges just to help your team and get something in. Photo's taken and edited in haste will not score well. The added pressure of the DPL can also stress you a little. These things effect a score as well. I would have never entered a road sign challenge had it not been for DPL. Not my style and I don't care for them. I rushed, got something together for my team to critique, entered it and it showed in my score.

Have ever thought you may be taking this a little to seriously ?

Nope. My main point was to not take it so seriously and learn from your peers through the challenge. Bear hit exactly what I was trying to say.

smardaz

06/25/2015 11:19:11 AM · #34

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by Tiny:
Have ever thought you may be taking this a little to seriously ?

SEG isn't the one taking it too seriously: it's the folks going on and on about how their scores are dropping that maybe need to lighten up and go with the flow...

What's so funny is the people who don't think there is a competitive scoring going on are acting like the ones who do think this want the whole system blown up. When literally all anyone ever said is, it seems like the scoring is lower than what would normally be expected. Maybe YOU are the ones that need to lighten up.
I posted specifically that I am really enjoying the team dynamic but I know the scoring has gone down as a result of the competition. I don't think thats grounds for labeling me as a whiner or bitching or being too uptight.
I am 100% certain the score I am getting on my pastel would never happen outside of DPL, but I am still having fun.

Barroness

Canon EOS-5D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM

06/25/2015 12:24:39 PM · #35

I have drawn the same conclusions about scores as you bring up but... with that being said, i did this to bring my images up to my personal best. i wanted to push myself to learn and grow as a photographer, learn Photoshop & of course to put my best foot forward for my team. If my score is lower so is everyone else's. i could never do two challenges a week the way i'm doing it for the league and yes everyone is rushing but i would have to think like myself you are working harder for your own personal techniques and your league by putting more time in.
Basically, i'm following the path & hopefully it will do me good. i know this, i'm more relaxed focusing on this then all other everyday stressors.

Message edited by author 2015-06-25 12:25:51.

RayEthier

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

06/25/2015 02:50:01 PM · #36

Originally posted by smardaz:

...I posted specifically that I am really enjoying the team dynamic but I know the scoring has gone down as a result of the competition.

Your comment seems to run counter to what SEG said: "Furthermore, I checked everyone in this thread so far and guess what, surprise, surprise!!! Every single persons average score received (for graveyard and Road signs) averages almost exactly or higher than YOUR average score received during your entire careers here on the site"

Someone must be mistaken.

Ray

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

06/25/2015 02:59:31 PM · #37

Originally posted by RayEthier:

Originally posted by smardaz:

...I posted specifically that I am really enjoying the team dynamic but I know the scoring has gone down as a result of the competition.

Your comment seems to run counter to what SEG said: "Furthermore, I checked everyone in this thread so far and guess what, surprise, surprise!!! Every single persons average score received (for graveyard and Road signs) averages almost exactly or higher than YOUR average score received during your entire careers here on the site"

Someone must be mistaken.

Ray

One's average score over their entire time here might be quite different from (say) their average score over the past four months. My average is 4.7, but it has been (very) gradually climbing for a few months with a higher percentage of 5s, but right now I have three entries between 4.1 and 4.5 ...

smardaz

06/25/2015 03:04:38 PM · #38

Originally posted by RayEthier:

My avg recieved is 5.58, my road sign was 5.21.

Melethia

Canon EOS-80D

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

06/25/2015 03:13:18 PM · #39

I really do miss yanko.

Ann

Olympus OM-D E-M1

Olympus 12-40mm f/2.8 Pro

06/25/2015 03:39:16 PM · #40

My road signs score was my second lowest ever.

nam

Sony DSLR-A580

Sony DT 18-70mm f/3.5-5.6 Aspherical ED Zoom Lens for Sony Alpha

06/25/2015 03:55:09 PM · #41

Originally posted by Ann:

My road signs score was my second lowest ever.

And my Road Signs score was over .5 higher than my average. But averages are just that - averages. Ya win a few, ya lose a few, and it all comes out in the wash. I just happened to "win" this one. I'm "losing" the next two :)

Ann

Olympus OM-D E-M1

Olympus 12-40mm f/2.8 Pro

06/25/2015 04:41:45 PM · #42

Originally posted by nam:

Originally posted by Ann:
My road signs score was my second lowest ever.

And my Road Signs score was over .5 higher than my average. But averages are just that - averages. Ya win a few, ya lose a few, and it all comes out in the wash. I just happened to "win" this one. I'm "losing" the next two :)

eh, I haven't been within .5 of my average on any DPL entry yet. The few comments I get just nitpick some minor aspect of the image. My style isn't as DPC friendly as it used to be, so my average has been drifting downward for awhile, but this is demoralizing.

Ecce_Signum

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

06/25/2015 04:43:43 PM · #43

Originally posted by Ann:

Originally posted by nam:

Originally posted by Ann:
My road signs score was my second lowest ever.

And my Road Signs score was over .5 higher than my average. But averages are just that - averages. Ya win a few, ya lose a few, and it all comes out in the wash. I just happened to "win" this one. I'm "losing" the next two :)

eh, I haven't been within .5 of my average on any DPL entry yet. The few comments I get just nitpick some minor aspect of the image. My style isn't as DPC friendly as it used to be, so my average has been drifting downward for awhile, but this is demoralizing.

Just out of interest Ann and so I can learn, where within your challenge portfolio do you think the image should be score wise please?

Tiny

Apple iPad mini 4

06/25/2015 05:04:11 PM · #44

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

OK but it was the only post i could be bothered to read.(and then not properly i guess) :)

Ann

Olympus OM-D E-M1

Olympus 12-40mm f/2.8 Pro

06/25/2015 05:09:52 PM · #45

Originally posted by Ecce_Signum:

Originally posted by Ann:

Originally posted by nam:

Originally posted by Ann:
My road signs score was my second lowest ever.

And my Road Signs score was over .5 higher than my average. But averages are just that - averages. Ya win a few, ya lose a few, and it all comes out in the wash. I just happened to "win" this one. I'm "losing" the next two :)

eh, I haven't been within .5 of my average on any DPL entry yet. The few comments I get just nitpick some minor aspect of the image. My style isn't as DPC friendly as it used to be, so my average has been drifting downward for awhile, but this is demoralizing.

Just out of interest Ann and so I can learn, where within your challenge portfolio do you think the image should be score wise please?

If I were stack ranking my own entries, I'd slot them into places about .3 points higher than where they're currently scoring.

I'm not complaining about their relative finish in the challenges. For the challenges that have finished, they're in about the right position. Just with lower scores.

markwiley

Fujifilm X-Pro2

Fujifilm XF 10-24mm f/4 R IOS

06/25/2015 05:13:45 PM · #46

Originally posted by Ann:

My road signs score was my second lowest ever.

I can relate, Ann. My Pastels is on track to be my second lowest score out of 500+ entries (yes, I am feeling like a real asset to my DPL team). The average score on an image is what it is -- it either connects with the average voter or it doesn't. But, I didn't anticipate this image would rank among my worst entries ever.

Ecce_Signum

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

06/25/2015 05:13:48 PM · #47

Originally posted by Ecce_Signum:

Originally posted by Ann:

Just out of interest Ann and so I can learn, where within your challenge portfolio do you think the image should be score wise please?

If I were stack ranking my own entries, I'd slot them into places about .3 points higher than where they're currently scoring.

I'm not complaining about their relative finish in the challenges. For the challenges that have finished, they're in about the right position. Just with lower scores.

Right, got you and thanks :)

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

06/25/2015 05:36:21 PM · #48

Originally posted by Ann:

If I were stack ranking my own entries, I'd slot them into places about .3 points higher than where they're currently scoring.

Almost since I joined I've found that mentally adding a 1.3 point "DPC-voter correction factor" to my current score usually works ...