Illustrate comments on the photo itself?

Canon EF-S 17-85mm f/4-5.6 IS USM

10/02/2004 05:59:32 AM · #1

I know it would probably be a nightmare to code for Drew and Langdon, but I think it's a really good idea.

Whilst commenting there are often problem areas at certain places in the photo which are hard to describe to the photographer. It would be great to be able to use a red marker or something and draw on the photo on the voting page with an arrow showing the problem area. It would also be good to be able to draw a box with a recommended new crop or something, because that is even harder to describe. When receiving a comment, there could be a button next to the 'mark comment as helpful' box saying 'Click here to see photo annotation' or something like that. I think it would be a really useful tool, not only for commenters, but for the photographers too.

What do you think?

geewhy

Canon EOS-1D Mark III

10/02/2004 06:22:34 AM · #2

Originally posted by Konador:

I think a system like that would exemplify the spirit of the site which is surely about improving our skills.
It would be a great tool for that purpose..the implementation may well be the problem though.

PaulMdx

Canon EOS-1D

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L USM

10/02/2004 06:34:07 AM · #3

For something a bit simpler, how about a grid overlay with letters and numbers to reference columns and rows?

ElGordo

Canon EOS-400D Rebel XTi

Sigma 18-200mm f/3.5-6.3 DC OS for Canon

10/02/2004 12:06:40 PM · #4

I believe that making the photogs annotations available would often clear up questions about how the image was produced.
That could reduce the number of DQ requests. The photogs identity need not be revealed, just his/her comments about the photo.

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

10/02/2004 01:32:34 PM · #5

Originally posted by ElGordo:

I've been asking for this for two years without success.

geewhy

Canon EOS-1D Mark III

Canon EF-S 17-85mm f/4-5.6 IS USM

10/02/2004 01:40:06 PM · #6

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by ElGordo:
I believe that making the photogs annotations available would often clear up questions about how the image was produced.
That could reduce the number of DQ requests. The photogs identity need not be revealed, just his/her comments about the photo.

I've been asking for this for two years without success.

I remember querying why we couldn`t have this soon after I joined the site and the concensus was that there may be information left in the write up which could reveal the photographers identity.
Seems pretty lame when you consider that you are allowed to include yourself in the image you submit without problem ??

Kamlan 28mm F1.4 MF for APS-C

11/24/2004 10:38:31 AM · #7

*Bump*
Any more opinions on the original idea?

Manic

DJI Mini 3 Pro

11/24/2004 10:49:31 AM · #8

Originally posted by PaulMdx:

For something a bit simpler, how about a grid overlay with letters and numbers to reference columns and rows?

I like this - it sounds like a much more browser-friendly way of doing things :o) This way you could say "the blob in A3 is distracting" or suchlike, which is a bit more specific than "top right corner" or whatever, but without too much of a coding overhead for D&L...

Gringo

Nikon D2X

Nikon AF-S Zoom-Nikkor 28-70mm f/2.8D IF-ED

11/24/2004 10:53:54 AM · #9

I like this Idea! Even just being able to edit the picture showing how it might be improved would be a great teaching tool. If I could change the contrast or crop and leave a sample picture in the comments under the original without uploading the picture to "my" portfolio". The information would then stay attached to the photo where it will do the most good for others. It wouldn't get lost in a forum thread somewhere.

cghubbell

Nikon D300

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 17-55mm f/2.8G IF-ED

11/24/2004 10:55:31 AM · #10

Having spent some time in software development, I can add that it *would* be a nightmare to code the ability to draw on an image. Not only that, it could only be stored as a graphic, so would create a measurable storage impact. Other side effects include slow UI response, proprietary web extensions, browser incompatibility, nausea, diahrrea, vomiting, and occasional sexual side effects. Ask your doctor if on-screen notation is right for you.

Seriously though - the idea is wonderful in spirit and value, but I think the technical side effect would undermine the overall value.

Kamlan 28mm F1.4 MF for APS-C

11/24/2004 10:58:49 AM · #11

I've been speaking to Drew about it and he says it could be done in flash, storing only the co-ordinates, not whole new images, which sounds good to me! :)

Manic

DJI Mini 3 Pro

11/24/2004 11:19:03 AM · #12

Originally posted by Konador:

I've been speaking to Drew about it and he says it could be done in flash, storing only the co-ordinates, not whole new images, which sounds good to me! :)

Ergh, can we please avoid using flash unless it's really needed? It's a git to get working on my linux & solaris workstations...

Message edited by author 2004-11-24 11:19:26.

vontom

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

11/24/2004 11:21:08 AM · #13

Perhaps if the overlaid image, stored only as a two-color image were the only part stored, it would be small enough to be manageable. However, the current comment list would not work to include these, since you could, in theory, have over one hundred different drawings on the picture. Plus,it is sad to say, I think some people would mis-use the feautre, and just draw on pictures for the fun of it. I think PaulMDX's suggestion would be good.

Discraft

Sigma 18-50mm f/2.8 EX DC for Canon

11/24/2004 11:21:23 AM · #14

To me i don't think this is a good ideia. Because then you would have lots of numbers on the side of the photo, i think it would be much nicer at the end of the challenge go back to that person and explain it better. but thats my opinion.

11/24/2004 11:21:57 AM · #15

Originally posted by vontom:

Plus,it is sad to say, I think some people would mis-use the feautre, and just draw on pictures for the fun of it. I think PaulMDX's suggestion would be good.

If it was limited to only square crops and arrows this could be avoided.

vontom

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

11/24/2004 11:24:31 AM · #16

Originally posted by Konador:

Originally posted by vontom:
Plus,it is sad to say, I think some people would mis-use the feautre, and just draw on pictures for the fun of it. I think PaulMDX's suggestion would be good.

If it was limited to only square crops and arrows this could be avoided.

If all you have are square crops and arrows, would it really be that helpful, or that complicated you couldn't just use text

11/24/2004 11:27:16 AM · #17

What would you like to draw on rather than arrows to point out certain areas or crops? (Excluding devil horns and goatees on portraits, hehe)

vontom

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

11/24/2004 11:36:37 AM · #18

I think in some images, there is a good deal of complexity and overlapping areas of comments. I don't think being able to draw a square crop or an arrow would greatly aid my commenting. Something that basic would be communicable in text. I just don't see the point of completely redoiing the way this site handles commenting unless you just go all the way and can draw on the hwole picture however you needed to. But, as I pointed out, there will be some abuses of a system like that.