Before anyone screams about Masters getting 1s

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

10/01/2004 02:05:43 PM · #52

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by Kavey:
Using my subversive (perverted?) scale the lowest is now a 2.

I shall treasure that 2 always. ;-)

ROFL!

pitsaman

Canon EOS-30D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

10/01/2004 02:07:15 PM · #53

Woul anyone give 1 to this photo :

smokeditor

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

10/01/2004 02:08:00 PM · #54

Worst thread ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

10/01/2004 02:08:59 PM · #55

Originally posted by smokeditor:

Worst thread ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks! :o)

10/01/2004 02:09:25 PM · #56

I don't think I should since I entered. If my score goes down dramaticly at the end I (and yes I feel this way) feel like changing all my votes. I don't like that so I don't vote on challenges I submit to anymore.

Originally posted by Gringo:

Originally posted by Sonifo:

I am not voting so you all don't have to worry about a 4 from me.
I do plan to comment. :-)

Why aren't you voting on this Sonifo? This of all challenges has only 69 Photos. I would gladly have a 4 from you if you included a critique that might help me to improve some element of my work.

10/01/2004 02:09:55 PM · #57

Originally posted by pitsaman:

Woul anyone give 1 to this photo : ?

If that were in the current Masters challenge it would get an 8 from me.

10/01/2004 02:10:00 PM · #58

I did submit a photo. :-))
(hug)

Originally posted by joanns:

Originally posted by Sonifo:
I kind of like the way of voting. I don't think I would give anyone a 1, 2 or 3 but I would give a few 4's. Just because they are a little below average for me.

I am not voting so you all don't have to worry about a 4 from me.
I do plan to comment. :-)

I aslo don't think the photos are any better then the top 50 photos in the members challenges. I can't see the top 3 having higher scores then they normally do. Hmm...I could be wrong.

Sonja, didn't you enter????

TacoVendor

Canon EOS-30D

10/01/2004 02:10:12 PM · #59

Just in case you all entered in the Masters Challenge question the low votes you get from me...

I have decided to just change up the voting scale to match my own purposes like others have done. My changes may be a little more radical, but bear with me here.

If I really, really like your photo I will be giving it a 4. Probably because I look at it 4 times.

A photo that is good enough that I would hang on my wall gets a 2. Why? I would buy 2 of them, 1 for my house and one for my office.

The worst of photos: out of focus, pictures of nothing, etc., they get a 9. Why? It would most likely take 9 matches to burn that junk into an unrecognizable mass.

Yes this is parody of a few other posts, but it is there to make a point. I understand the voting to be very subjective but there are still guidelines for voting. They may not be hard set guidelines, but they are ones that this community have built themselves around. Relate it to the blue mohawk wearing punk in his combat boots that decides to check out the cowboy bar. There are no rules against it, but the cowboy bar community will most likely retaliate and there will not be very many people that take the punks side of it all. Sometimes you just need to follow a bit of common sense and fit in to the community that you wish to be involved with.

10/01/2004 02:10:57 PM · #60

Originally posted by Sonifo:

Hey at least you're honest about it and take action not to let that impact the objectivity of your voting. Kudos for that. :o)

10/01/2004 02:13:31 PM · #61

Originally posted by TacoVendor:

Nikon AF-S Zoom-Nikkor 28-70mm f/2.8D IF-ED

10/01/2004 02:14:07 PM · #62

Originally posted by TacoVendor:

ROFL

Originally posted by TacoVendor:

Yes this is parody of a few other posts, but it is there to make a point. I understand the voting to be very subjective but there are still guidelines for voting. They may not be hard set guidelines, but they are ones that this community have built themselves around. [...]Sometimes you just need to follow a bit of common sense and fit in to the community that you wish to be involved with.

I'm not sure what the point IS. :o)

My voting still fits into the guidelines - I am scoring lower for images I like least and higher for images I like best. I am remaining consistent to that throughout. I've been part of this community for a long time so I'm not adjusting my voting to piss the community off. I'm doing it because I genuinely feel it allows me to be more detailed in my voting on this challenge.

Gringo

Nikon D2X

10/01/2004 02:15:10 PM · #63

[quote=Sonifo]
[quote=Sonifo]

HAHAHahahaha At least you found a way to be true to yourself. You still have my respect. ;)

You ARE Bad to the bone!
I knew you entered, I love your work!

Canon EF 70-200mm f/4.0L USM

10/01/2004 02:17:11 PM · #64

Originally posted by Gringo:

[quote=Sonifo]
[quote=Sonifo]

HAHAHahahaha At least you found a way to be true to yourself. You still have my respect. ;)

You ARE Bad to the bone!
I knew you entered, I love your work!

Awww...thanks!
((hug))

Now let's discuss "Bad to the Bone!" hehehee...

karmat

Apple iPhone 7

10/01/2004 02:19:58 PM · #65

I hope that everyone does vote honestly and objectively. I can see two "self-fulfilling prophecies" happening here. (Okay, not really "self-fulfilling" but that is the best word I can come up with in a pinch.)

1) OOOhhh, a master's challenge. Everyone entering is really, really good (that's a laugh, I qualified), so that means every shot is very, very good -- high scores to all.

2) OOOhhh, a master's challenge. Everyone entering is really, really good so all the shots should be perfect and outstanding -- more than normal -- and if they're not, a low score to them.

Step back and think about it. We are the same people that enter the other challenges.

As far as how you vote, go for it, just keep it consistent throughout, please. I would rather have a 6.ish score that I felt was reflective of the general trend of the site rather than one that was "elevated" because people felt they couldn't/shouldn't/wouldn't give a low score. Scoring is subjective, unfortunately. And, there is no accounting for taste. :-)

Sony E 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 OSS

10/01/2004 02:24:28 PM · #66

Originally posted by karmat:

Karmat

When I first read some of the threads in forums about how wonderful all the entries were and how the standards were incredible etc I wondered what was going on. I think, in retrospect, it was down to a lot of your first scenario.

I certainly didn't feel that the entries were better than better entries in other challenges. All I did feel was that there was an absence of the worst entries that would normally be found in other challenges.

In terms of your second scenario, I don't think I fall into that one either. I first voted all the entries on my normal scale and came up with a range of 5 to 9. That is honestly the scores I felt were merited according to my personal standard scale.

I am now giving lower votes not because I think "masters" should do better (since, as you say, the "master" tag can be overplayed) but because it allows me to better sort through the entries relative to each other.

Hence my scoring remains subjective and neither seeks to elevate nor devalue any entries simply because of the "masters" tag. I am also being consistent in my application of the scale I am using.

Message edited by author 2004-10-01 14:25:25.

willem

Sony Alpha a6700

10/01/2004 02:27:54 PM · #67

I will aply the same scale as to any challenge.

I reserve my 1's for images that clearly don't meet the challenge (which can't be the case in a free study) and 2 and 3 for real bad images which should have been binned immediately in my opinion, don't show them to anyone.

A 4 is an image which does not touch me at all and might have some serious flaws, I haven't given one yet, but might do, I have only voted on 27 images so far (and commented them all).

So my scale is the same, but because of the quality, my average given will be higher.

Artan

Canon Digital IXUS v3

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

10/01/2004 02:29:15 PM · #68

It seems to me that a lot of people are getting hung up about the absolute score, rather than how they fair over all.

Everyone will have their own way of scoring submissions; the important thing is that they are consistent within the competition.

If they score the best image a 5, it is still the best image, and will remain so. However if there are a small number of submissions and a number of people use a similar scoring technique, the final results will be skewed. However at the moment there are enough voters to even out any distortions caused by localised voting techniques.

Rgds

Artan

cpanaioti

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 DO IS USM

10/01/2004 02:30:50 PM · #69

Originally posted by willem:

... my scale is the same, but because of the quality, my average given will be higher.

Ditto.

karmat

Apple iPhone 7

Canon EF 70-200mm f/4.0L USM

10/01/2004 02:32:04 PM · #70

Kavey, I didn't mean for it to sound like I wasn't supporting your method of voting. Actually, though it may not be the route I would take, whatever you want to do is fine. My post is more of a knee-jerk reaction to some of the other things I have read.

Sorry if it sounded like criticism to you.

10/01/2004 02:32:48 PM · #71

Originally posted by Artan:

I think some people are concerned about the effect on their average score. But that is always subject to the fact that people come and go and the balance of harsh and generous voters is always in flux anyway.