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 10/01/2004 10:26:50 AM · #26
welcome
 10/01/2004 10:45:30 AM · #27
Well i've looked through a lot of threads trying to find the pictures and I think it's a lost cause. You've deleted everything except for this thread and maybe one other post I found :-/ . I think I saw the pictures yesterday but I cannot remember them enough to comment on them now. I think that almost any new photographer has a lot to learn. If you listen, and leave pictures up for C&C you'll be able to improve just by figuring out what isn't great looking to an audience, only here it's in technical terms that you can research and learn a lot about! I don't really know why you felt you had to remove all your messages, but I hope in the future it isn't necessary. Don't give up, you're just getting started.
 10/01/2004 11:07:35 AM · #28
Katrina

Would you like me to destroy this image?

I do hope not because I think that you've captured a wonderful expression.



Message edited by author 2004-10-01 11:16:23.
 10/01/2004 11:21:01 AM · #29
Originally posted by riotspyne:
well i completely agree with that ( ecce), and trust me i was hoping for negative as well as the positive, but it is not at all what was said really but HOW. i hate to look like a sensitive whiney baby who cant take critisism, but i just feel people can always be a little meaner that they shoud to make themselves look smarter and play off others humility.


I didn't read anything brutal in any of the comments left. I think the most important thing here is that you yourself mentioned more than once about being sensitive and shy...maybe you might be being over sensitive right now? I'm not finger pointing..just saying that if you realize you're a sensitive person than also realize that might lead to an over-reaction.

P.S. my job right now is assessing people's behavior for large companies to ensure their employees are working well together. Most people get mad or upset when they see their sensitivity scores being high...and don't get it. Just a note, getting upset about a score like that in itself proves the person's over sensitivity.

This may apply here. Please consider.

Thanks,
Goldberry

Message edited by author 2004-10-01 11:23:02.
 10/01/2004 11:23:07 AM · #30
I didn't see a single person tell you that you are a bad sport, nor post in any spirit other than helpful and constructive.

Deleting your original message and images now makes me regret the time I gave trying to help you.
 10/01/2004 11:24:40 AM · #31
i can understand where your coming from, when i first found this site i was way to scared to post any of my images for discussion, a little time went on, mustered up the bravery needed and posted a pic, i got some comments that said "nice shots" but the ones i truely treasured were the ones that critiqued it and told me what was wrong with it. i just try to remember those critiques because they help me improve. GilP is a great photographer and i am honored any time a great photographer takes their time to examine my photo.
10/01/2004 11:34:04 AM · #32
Originally posted by Fibonacci:
Katrina

Would you like me to destroy this image?

I do hope not because I think that you've captured a wonderful expression.



I'm looking at what you did to the pic...and I'd like to say...unless I'd ask for it....I really, really would hate it if someone decided to touch-up my work...good or bad, I rather my work would remain MY work. Showing someone how much better they could have done, with techniques that may very well be beyond their means (for now) just does not help the person.

Message edited by author 2004-10-01 11:37:05.
 10/01/2004 01:52:23 PM · #33
Originally posted by riotspyne:
I HAVE REMOVED THE POHTOS FROM THIS PAGE
THE CRITISISMS STARTED BECOMEING ABOUT WHAT I SAID AND NOT ABOUT THE PHOTOS. I ALSO REALIZED THAT I NEED TO PARACTICE MUCH MORE BEFORE I POST ANYMORE PHOTOS ON THIS SITE. SO I AM REMOVING EVERYTHING SO MY NAME DOES NOT BECOME TAINTED MORE THAN IT ALREADY HAS. I AM STARTIMG TO BE TOLD WHAT A BAD SPORT I AM OVER AND OVER. ITS REALLY, ALONG WITH MY PHOTOS, JUST EMBARRASING
THANKS
I APOLOGIZE FOR THE INCONVENIENCE


You just don't know how many times I have felt this way. I have posted photos here for critique that I thought were great and learned that they weren't that great to others. I'm also a beginner and I know it's hard to take critique at times, especially when it seems like it's a personal attack, but you must look past the poster and into the meat of the post. Look for pointers in others critiques, no matter how they word them. My last 3 or 4 challenge entries are the lowest I've scored here, but I'm not going to let it get me down, I plan to look over the comments and do it even better the next time. A baby never walks by itself without falling a few times. My college art teacher used to tell the class that as artists we need to aquire a tough skin. An artists work is very personal and from the heart and when someone nags on it or points out its flaws its like telling you that your child is fat and ugly. Looking forward to seeing more of your work.

Cheers
 10/01/2004 02:15:06 PM · #34
Originally posted by Gil P:
don't know what to tell you...I know your looking for a pat on the back, but since you ask:

what is perplexing is that you see these shots as "pretty neat" so it this critique migh come as a bit of a shock....


these were the things i found to be "unnecessary," its not the other things said i am fine with critisism, its was not terribly mean, i make a comment on how it could have been said nicer and everyone comes down on me. i think gil has great photos, and i am pleased for his critique.
i have trained many people on how to do things. there is a way you can teach without making them feel stupid and i go out of my way to do that.
and for kavey im sorry you regret helping me but just because i took the photos off out of embarrasment does not mean i didnt take the advise you gave me and learn something from it. i explained i took the photos off so i could save some face and learn some more. i should have studied before i ever put them up.
you also said noone said i was a bad sport, well your right noone did. (not in those exact words)
but most are saying that i cant take critisism and i am sensitive, well you can decipher that into whatever you want (i think "bad sport". but in reality i am shy, never said i was sensitive,i did say i dont want to come off as a sesitive whiney baby!. but i feel this is bieng blown way out of proportion. okay i think gil could have been nicer, thanks for the comments, but they could have been nicer. THE END
thats all there is to it. [(WHAT I LEARNED)i am going to do my homework
and put something else up that is postworthy] something that i can be proud of. after the critiques of my photos, i seen what everyone was saying, and thought, they are right. SO THANKS, i am just learning here. im sorry i ever posted my photos, and i am sorry i ever said anythihng to gil p. if i knew i would get this many replies mostly on just what i said. i definately would have not have posted. but i really like this web site and have found it very helpful as well for all the people.
10/01/2004 02:19:05 PM · #35
I think it's a shame to have removed the photos... I don't see how that saves you from further embarassment as you have no need to feel embarassed just because you have room for improvement.

I know that the first image I entered has some appalling faults - lighting, exposure etc to name a few. But I wouldn't remove it from here even if I could - because sharing it and receiving feedback is part of my learning experience.

Message edited by author 2004-10-01 14:19:35.
 10/01/2004 02:31:33 PM · #36
Please don't remove your photos! I would love to see you grow with us on this site. It is a wonderful place to learn. I know it can be hard at times, but you got to take the good with the bad.

I sure hope this statement of mine didn't hurt you in any way.

Originally posted by Sonifo:
Why use the lamp as the subject? It is neat but you need something more creative.


It was meant as a question to ask yourself. What can you use different to make the photo appealing to the public eye? Know what I mean?

There are some on this site that would rather not see people posting photos everyday, (not sure why, just ignore those folks!) but I love seeing peoples new photos. I see they are trying to grow as photographers and would really like some help.

Message edited by author 2004-10-01 14:32:37.
 10/01/2004 02:41:28 PM · #37
Originally posted by riotspyne:
i know the lamp is not very creative, it was suppose to be ironic.
i said that it will probably be the only light i see at the end of my tunnel


I have looked at both of your photos and even though some of the criticisms seem harsh, they are personal opinions from some experienced photographers.

I like the portrait shot, but as has been mentioned before, it is a little soft for my liking, that's my own opinion. However, others may think differently. A good portrait tip is focus on the eyes.

As you have stated, you are a complete novice, so do what most of us here do, shoot photos of everything you see. Kids, cars, the sky...anything and everything. Don't give up, you'll never improve that way. Soon, you will find you are taking photos that good, rather than trying to set up shots and not being happy with the results.

I have been taking photos for years, over 30...and mine don't seem to improve much, so it isn't a quick fix. Just keep shooting and Good Luck with your future photos!
 10/01/2004 03:18:04 PM · #38
WIthout intentionally trying to attack you or blow it out of proportion, I posted regarding sensitivity because your emails were emotive responses.

Nobody said being emotional was bad. Hey, I'm emotional. And emotion doesn't just mean crying, whining, sobbing or any of the 'girly' things, emotion is also anger, confusion, depression, all that stuff, too.

P.S. I should also point out that capital letters equates yelling in cyberspace. I don't know if you knew that, but I know you definetly did it for the impact. Which is nearly the same as yellling.

Sorry if I personally thought you were being 'emotional'.
Good luck in any challenges you choose to submit to!

Message edited by author 2004-10-01 15:19:39.
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