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03/16/2015 11:39:41 AM · #26 |
if me subjects don't look happy i take a pic i give up and appologize
if i feel they want me to ask for permission i ask
sometimes i ask just to make them relax
sometimes i explain something
sometimes i use long lens and stay away from their sight
there are no rules indeed |
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03/16/2015 11:43:07 AM · #27 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Originally posted by jgirl57:
Do I need to be getting consents or permission of the ppl I do shoot? |
only if you are going to sell the shots, then you need a model release. The law says that in a public location where there is no expectation of privacy, it is ok. There are some circumstances where I will take a photo and then go ask the person if it is ok, offering to delete it if they are uncomfortable with it. |
That's not quite true. You can sell the photographs as art pieces, even if the person is recognizable, providing it was shot in a public place. You don't need a release for this.
What you can't do is use the photographs for advertising, marketing or trade purposes -- without a release. I'm speaking of the US, and I'm phrasing all of this quite casually (I'm not a lawyer). Take a look:
https://asmp.org/tutorials/frequently-asked-questions-about-releases.html#q1
Message edited by author 2015-03-16 11:48:48. |
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03/16/2015 12:03:41 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Good question!
Go with your gut. If you go with eye contact, and you're hesitant, ask. If the answer is "No." RESPECT THAT!
Most "regular" people by and large are okay with it......the ones who tend to be more "interesting".....homeless, street performers, men/women performing a job, sometimes not so much.
It's nice to get candids for your best effect (See Mr. Jagar's work), but you can see from the expressions that quite a few of his subjects are perfectly okay with his shooting them.
Go to your nearest urban bustle at rush hour, and just stake out a good spot to sit and watch. Don't force the shot........just watch the rythym of the ebb and flow and see what happens. |
I took some images at a Chinatown street market in Honolulu in January, and one of the ladies tending a stall got quite upset with me for not asking permission. She ranted and raved for a 5 minutes in a mixture of English and another language while I appoligized and slowly backed away from the scene. She did everything but chase me down the street. Lesson learned.... ask permission first if there is only one or two people in the image. If there are a ton of people like at a parade, probably don't need to worry about it.
I uploaded that image to my computer last night and it has potential... so hopefully being on the receiving end of the tirade will be worthwhile.
Message edited by author 2015-03-16 12:05:34. |
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03/16/2015 12:09:43 PM · #29 |
| Lots of good advice here. If you're interested in candid photography a cell phone should be considered. Image quality is generally satisfactory and you won't stand out. |
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03/16/2015 12:24:26 PM · #30 |
| Thanks for the clarification, Brian. That makes sense. |
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03/16/2015 01:13:20 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by jgirl57:
Do I need to be getting consents or permission of the ppl I do shoot? |
Most "regular" people by and large are okay with it......the ones who tend to be more "interesting".....homeless, street performers, men/women performing a job, sometimes not so much. |
For whatever reason, I find that "regular" people are more cautious, paranoid, self-conscious, whatever. I tend to have better luck with your definition of "interesting" people.
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03/16/2015 01:47:08 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by tanguera:
Julie, you don't need hoards of people. As you can see, the majority of John's shots feature one or two people. Find an interesting location in your town, where there are people, and you can hang out for a bit, and wait for the moment. |
You been following me or what? |
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03/16/2015 01:53:05 PM · #33 |
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03/16/2015 02:13:33 PM · #34 |
Amazing! I'll spend more time looking through his stuff this evening. Thanks for posting. |
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03/16/2015 02:20:58 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by Catherine_B:
I took some images at a Chinatown street market in Honolulu in January, and one of the ladies tending a stall got quite upset with me for not asking permission. She ranted and raved for a 5 minutes in a mixture of English and another language while I appoligized and slowly backed away from the scene. She did everything but chase me down the street. Lesson learned.... ask permission first if there is only one or two people in the image. If there are a ton of people like at a parade, probably don't need to worry about it. |
There's a difference between illegal, unethical, and tasteless. It is *NOT* illegal to take someone's picture in a public place. They may not like it, but if they scream at you, threaten you, and call the cops, *THEY* might go to jail for threatening bodily harm in a public place. Stand your ground if you're doing nothing wrong, but pick your battles, too.
But be careful of legal as well. If some psycho kills you for taking his/her picture in a public venue, you may be in the right legally, but that dead thing will kinda take the fun out of the moment.
Generally, it's best to be open and up front, and to honor peoples' wishes. A lot of times I'll just hold up my camera and point at it with a questioning look to people. If they nod, all good, if they shake their head, I smile, wave, and walk away.
Originally posted by Catherine_B:
I uploaded that image to my computer last night and it has potential... so hopefully being on the receiving end of the tirade will be worthwhile. |
Never think it's okay to let someone scream at you, by all means recognize your rights as well; it's just that sometimes it is better to walk away.
There's another thread going on, and have been many in the past about what is and is not legal. Search the archives, and Google photographer's rights for many more opinions and facts.
Above all, use good judgement, do the right thing, and don't piss people off.
I spent a night in jail and was charged with two felonies for taking pics in an abandoned building one night. This is a much more serious world we live in now. I knew better, but never thought a little harmless trespassing would result in a complete change in my life. I'm MUCH more careful now.......8~)
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03/16/2015 02:30:42 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by insteps:
Amazing! I'll spend more time looking through his stuff this evening. Thanks for posting. |
+1 There is a lot of great information here. This will require some further study. Thanks, Clive. |
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03/16/2015 02:48:49 PM · #37 |
That is an awesome study!! That helps tremendously thank you so much Clive!
Thanks for all the people advice, kinda nervous about taking pics of some strangers, LOL!
I feel like getting some inspector gadget or spy outfits now hahaha |
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03/18/2015 05:39:48 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by jgirl57:
That is an awesome study!! That helps tremendously thank you so much Clive!
Thanks for all the people advice, kinda nervous about taking pics of some strangers, LOL!
I feel like getting some inspector gadget or spy outfits now hahaha |
Don't even try being covert. When you get caught, it will make the subject feel like you are trying to put one over on them or take advantage. Overcoming that mistrust will make it even harder for you.
If you're confronted, just explain what you're doing, show them some work and give them a card with your contact info and ask them to get in touch if they'd like a print of the image with them in it. They may not bother, but if they do, follow through. |
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03/19/2015 06:49:17 AM · #39 |
This was the hardest thing for me ever.. Kudos to you all who do this all the time, this was def out of my comfy bubble and I chickened out more than just a few times LOL, still not what I wanted but its something.
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03/19/2015 06:54:46 AM · #40 |
Originally posted by jgirl57:
This was the hardest thing for me ever.. Kudos to you all who do this all the time, this was def out of my comfy bubble and I chickened out more than just a few times LOL, still not what I wanted but its something. |
It is a very hard thing to do. I really dislike it myself and find it very nerve wrecking. |
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03/19/2015 08:00:26 AM · #41 |
Originally posted by rooum:
Originally posted by jgirl57:
This was the hardest thing for me ever.. Kudos to you all who do this all the time, this was def out of my comfy bubble and I chickened out more than just a few times LOL, still not what I wanted but its something. |
It is a very hard thing to do. I really dislike it myself and find it very nerve wrecking. |
Smaller camera made it easier for me this time around. The A6000 with a 50 prime is much smaller than a full DSLR. I had one person see my camera and say "Cool! Don't see film cameras very often anymore." He was fooled by the lens and camera body size I think. I provided some details ... showed him it wasn't quite as old school as he thought. :-) |
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