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01/15/2015 01:40:57 PM · #151 |
Originally posted by RyanW:
Originally posted by nygold:
The right to bear arms isn't there to protect us against criminals thats just a bonus. |
I'm *STILL* saddened by the fact that this amendment does not permit me to have grizzly arms attached to my body. |
you live in Canada, its doesn't affect you either way ;P |
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01/15/2015 01:41:29 PM · #152 |
Originally posted by Mike:
Originally posted by RyanW:
Originally posted by nygold:
The right to bear arms isn't there to protect us against criminals thats just a bonus. |
I'm *STILL* saddened by the fact that this amendment does not permit me to have grizzly arms attached to my body. |
you live in Canada, its doesn't affect you either way ;P |
was editing my post while you were replying
but, 15 years ago, it would've been something I'd have moved to the US, gained dual citizenship and then paid the price to have done if possible. ;p
Message edited by author 2015-01-15 13:42:39. |
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01/15/2015 01:42:31 PM · #153 |
Originally posted by RyanW:
was editing my post while you were replying |
eh? |
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01/15/2015 01:42:39 PM · #154 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by Mike:
actually it was to maintain a militia army. |
Right, and many believe that the purpose of this citizen army was to prevent government overrun. |
Specifically, to prevent overrun of the State government by the Federal government, not for the citizenry to abolish government entirely. Also, by maintaining State militias, it was hoped to avoid having a standing Federal army.
Message edited by author 2015-01-15 13:43:44. |
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01/15/2015 01:43:38 PM · #155 |
Originally posted by Mike:
Originally posted by RyanW:
was editing my post while you were replying |
eh? |
Leaf it alone, Mike. |
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01/15/2015 01:45:38 PM · #156 |
Originally posted by bohemka:
Originally posted by Mike:
Originally posted by RyanW:
was editing my post while you were replying |
eh? |
Leaf it alone, Mike. |
there's know knead to start poking at how we talk, meow |
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01/15/2015 05:29:41 PM · #157 |
Its good this delivery driver had a gun
So tell me why not carry a gun. You never know when something like this will happen
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01/15/2015 05:51:07 PM · #158 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
So tell me why not carry a gun. You never know when something like this will happen |
You don't have to look hard to find a few reasons.
ETA: About 336,000 reasons (0.27 seconds)
Message edited by author 2015-01-15 17:52:12. |
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01/15/2015 05:54:25 PM · #159 |
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Message edited by author 2015-01-15 17:55:50.
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01/15/2015 05:55:18 PM · #160 |
| Is this thread still open?! Not worth a cup full of popcorn... |
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01/15/2015 06:08:29 PM · #161 |
Originally posted by markwiley:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
So tell me why not carry a gun. You never know when something like this will happen |
You don't have to look hard to find a few reasons.
ETA: About 336,000 reasons (0.27 seconds) |
Good point.
I'm surprised you own a car. About 88,000,000 results. (0.49 seconds)
Message edited by author 2015-01-15 18:08:55. |
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01/15/2015 11:46:18 PM · #162 |
C'mon Cory, you're bright enough to know how fallacious that argument is... |
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01/16/2015 12:07:58 AM · #163 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
C'mon Cory, you're bright enough to know how fallacious that argument is... |
Foolish? More people are hurt/killed on a daily, weekly, hourly, minutely(is that even a word?) in car accidents than with guns. Cars are certainly more deadly of a weapon than a gun.
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01/16/2015 12:11:42 AM · #164 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
C'mon Cory, you're bright enough to know how fallacious that argument is... |
He was the one that initially accepted the number of search results an an indication of magnitude. I simply went with it, never claimed it was a good measure. |
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01/16/2015 07:19:36 AM · #165 |
Originally posted by MattO:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
C'mon Cory, you're bright enough to know how fallacious that argument is... |
Foolish? More people are hurt/killed on a daily, weekly, hourly, minutely(is that even a word?) in car accidents than with guns. Cars are certainly more deadly of a weapon than a gun. |
and their operation is regulated heavily for safety. |
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01/16/2015 07:36:19 AM · #166 |
Originally posted by Mike:
Originally posted by MattO:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
C'mon Cory, you're bright enough to know how fallacious that argument is... |
Foolish? More people are hurt/killed on a daily, weekly, hourly, minutely(is that even a word?) in car accidents than with guns. Cars are certainly more deadly of a weapon than a gun. |
and their operation is regulated heavily for safety. |
Not to mention they are actively used by the vast majority of adults for a significant amount time every day of the week. They are also negatively impacted by weather.
As much as some people like to draw the comparison, it just isn't comparing the same thing.
Message edited by author 2015-01-16 07:36:39. |
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01/16/2015 07:46:00 AM · #167 |
Originally posted by MattO:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
C'mon Cory, you're bright enough to know how fallacious that argument is... |
Foolish? More people are hurt/killed on a daily, weekly, hourly, minutely(is that even a word?) in car accidents than with guns. Cars are certainly more deadly of a weapon than a gun. |
How many times are cars used intentionally to kill someone? I would asame less than 1 in 10000 deaths. Guns, pretty much every death. Therein lies the discrepancy . |
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01/16/2015 08:26:27 AM · #168 |
| My 3-year-old would love this idea. |
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01/16/2015 10:14:04 AM · #169 |
Driving a car requires a test and a license ... and the vehicle requires a title, inspections and a registration.
So if we can agree that firearms should be treated the same way perhaps we find common ground.
Originally posted by blindjustice:
Originally posted by MattO:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
C'mon Cory, you're bright enough to know how fallacious that argument is... |
Foolish? More people are hurt/killed on a daily, weekly, hourly, minutely(is that even a word?) in car accidents than with guns. Cars are certainly more deadly of a weapon than a gun. |
How many times are cars used intentionally to kill someone? I would asame less than 1 in 10000 deaths. Guns, pretty much every death. Therein lies the discrepancy . |
Message edited by author 2015-01-16 10:14:28. |
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01/16/2015 10:15:37 AM · #170 |
| Also - I'm not sure if this has been mentioned in this thread. But what i someone is intoxicated and carrying a firearm? SHould they be treated as if driving a car? |
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01/16/2015 10:28:58 AM · #171 |
| well the argument is driving is a privilege and gun ownership is a right, which makes cars easier to regulate. of course the amendment says "arms" not guns. |
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01/16/2015 11:34:25 AM · #172 |
Originally posted by blindjustice:
Originally posted by MattO:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
C'mon Cory, you're bright enough to know how fallacious that argument is... |
Foolish? More people are hurt/killed on a daily, weekly, hourly, minutely(is that even a word?) in car accidents than with guns. Cars are certainly more deadly of a weapon than a gun. |
How many times are cars used intentionally to kill someone? I would asame less than 1 in 10000 deaths. Guns, pretty much every death. Therein lies the discrepancy . |
The argument earlier in the thread was there were so many "accidental shootings" by guns, where no one intended to shoot or kill someone. Why do you now have to have the requirement for your argument that it has to be used intentionally? |
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01/16/2015 12:34:38 PM · #173 |
Originally posted by MattO:
Originally posted by blindjustice:
Originally posted by MattO:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
C'mon Cory, you're bright enough to know how fallacious that argument is... |
Foolish? More people are hurt/killed on a daily, weekly, hourly, minutely(is that even a word?) in car accidents than with guns. Cars are certainly more deadly of a weapon than a gun. |
How many times are cars used intentionally to kill someone? I would asame less than 1 in 10000 deaths. Guns, pretty much every death. Therein lies the discrepancy . |
The argument earlier in the thread was there were so many "accidental shootings" by guns, where no one intended to shoot or kill someone. Why do you now have to have the requirement for your argument that it has to be used intentionally? |
It is not a requirement, it is simply pointing out the difference between cars and guns. Cars are not a "weapon" and are therefore not "as deadly a weapon" as guns. |
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01/16/2015 12:38:56 PM · #174 |
Originally posted by MattO:
Originally posted by blindjustice:
Originally posted by MattO:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
C'mon Cory, you're bright enough to know how fallacious that argument is... |
Foolish? More people are hurt/killed on a daily, weekly, hourly, minutely(is that even a word?) in car accidents than with guns. Cars are certainly more deadly of a weapon than a gun. |
How many times are cars used intentionally to kill someone? I would asame less than 1 in 10000 deaths. Guns, pretty much every death. Therein lies the discrepancy . |
The argument earlier in the thread was there were so many "accidental shootings" by guns, where no one intended to shoot or kill someone. Why do you now have to have the requirement for your argument that it has to be used intentionally? |
And that totally ignores the fact that many gun deaths are, in fact, accidental, and a subset of those car deaths are, in fact, intentional. Don't know about you, but I find the idea of someone committing suicide by shooting themselves a hell of a lot less worrisome than them using a car to do so, by driving the wrong way into someone else. |
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01/16/2015 01:09:04 PM · #175 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by MattO:
Originally posted by blindjustice:
Originally posted by MattO:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
C'mon Cory, you're bright enough to know how fallacious that argument is... |
Foolish? More people are hurt/killed on a daily, weekly, hourly, minutely(is that even a word?) in car accidents than with guns. Cars are certainly more deadly of a weapon than a gun. |
How many times are cars used intentionally to kill someone? I would asame less than 1 in 10000 deaths. Guns, pretty much every death. Therein lies the discrepancy . |
The argument earlier in the thread was there were so many "accidental shootings" by guns, where no one intended to shoot or kill someone. Why do you now have to have the requirement for your argument that it has to be used intentionally? |
And that totally ignores the fact that many gun deaths are, in fact, accidental, and a subset of those car deaths are, in fact, intentional. Don't know about you, but I find the idea of someone committing suicide by shooting themselves a hell of a lot less worrisome than them using a car to do so, by driving the wrong way into someone else. |
- or putting the hose in the window, the easiest and safest way. And accidental shootings don't really bolster any argument for guns in anyway, more reason for regulation, reduction, etc. |
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