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01/15/2015 12:32:27 PM · #126 |
Originally posted by monster-zero:
be a man about it and use your fists. |
You're assuming that it's always two tough guys getting into it, talking some shit and then pulling guns. That's ignorant. Would you say that to a mother with her newborn living in a remote trailer while two guys are breaking down the door looking for money while the cops are 45 minutes away? How about to a guy out with his family being assailed by 3 or 4 others? It's not about being tough. It's about self defense. |
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01/15/2015 12:35:07 PM · #127 |
Remember a while back there was a shooting at a movie theater during one of the recent Batman movies, in Colorado I believe? I read a story a while after of someone saying that it wouldn't have happened if people were carrying guns. I think that the majority of people wouldn't know how to react during a situation like that. That would have been a bigger disaster with frightened, shaky people shooting in a dark theater.
Sorry if people feel that taking away guns is taking away rights, but in all seriousness I don't believe the majority of people are ready for the responsibility of carrying a gun and then making the decision themselves to use it.
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01/15/2015 12:39:21 PM · #128 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
You're assuming that it's always two tough guys getting into it, talking some shit and then pulling guns. That's ignorant. Would you say that to a mother with her newborn living in a remote trailer while two guys are breaking down the door looking for money while the cops are 45 minutes away? How about to a guy out with his family being assailed by 3 or 4 others? It's not about being tough. It's about self defense. |
Fair enough, though I wasn't being ignorant. When I was typing that, in my mind I'm thinking about the so called "gangstas" that like to pull guns when people aren't showing them the fear they think they deserve. Yeah, the situations you describe would make sense but looking at a bigger picture of how the most of people act these days I worry it would escalate into chaos quickly.
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01/15/2015 12:42:06 PM · #129 |
Originally posted by monster-zero:
Originally posted by Spork99:
You're assuming that it's always two tough guys getting into it, talking some shit and then pulling guns. That's ignorant. Would you say that to a mother with her newborn living in a remote trailer while two guys are breaking down the door looking for money while the cops are 45 minutes away? How about to a guy out with his family being assailed by 3 or 4 others? It's not about being tough. It's about self defense. |
Fair enough, though I wasn't being ignorant. When I was typing that, in my mind I'm thinking about the so called "gangstas" that like to pull guns when people aren't showing them the fear they think they deserve. Yeah, the situations you describe would make sense but looking at a bigger picture of how the most of people act these days I worry it would escalate into chaos quickly. |
And yeah, chances are those two "gangstas" aren't legally carrying anyway. They're going to have guns no matter how many laws say they can't.
Message edited by author 2015-01-15 12:49:09. |
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01/15/2015 12:50:23 PM · #130 |
if you want to carry a gun, go for it, just conceal it.
i just think the whole premise of this restaurant is akin to charlie hebdo and the freedom of expression discussion. in the end it's obnoxious behavior that makes people uncomfortable and angry. this world would be a far better place if we were just a bit more considerate of each other.
Message edited by author 2015-01-15 12:50:59. |
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01/15/2015 12:52:48 PM · #131 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
And yeah, chances are those two "gangstas" aren't legally carrying anyway. They're going to have guns no matter how many laws say they can't. |
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01/15/2015 12:57:28 PM · #132 |
Originally posted by markwiley:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Awesome story..... Another criminal down and more safe people |
I realize there are times like this in which people may be made safer due to guns in the hands of ordinary people. I just wonder how this compares to the number of lives put at risk due to guns in the hands of ordinary people (gun accidents, suicides facilitated by easy access to a gun, guns pulled in arguments, etc.) I feel like more innocent people are put at risk than are made safer due to guns in the hands of ordinary people. |
I think the real question is this: Are we safer if ordinary people don't have guns? Leaving only the criminals and police/military armed?
As best as I can tell the answer is a fairly resounding no. I'm sure the poor cartoonists in France would have loved to be able to carry firearms to protect themselves. As it was, the police and the attackers were the only ones with guns, and the police lost pretty badly in the first round. Ordinary people with guns is a much better idea than only criminals with guns, that much I'm pretty sure of. |
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01/15/2015 12:57:51 PM · #133 |
Originally posted by Mike:
if you want to carry a gun, go for it, just conceal it.
i just think the whole premise of this restaurant is akin to charlie hebdo and the freedom of expression discussion. in the end it's obnoxious behavior that makes people uncomfortable and angry. this world would be a far better place if we were just a bit more considerate of each other. |
If we didn't say anything controversial or do anything that everyone didn't like...yeah...that would be great. One big hive mind. |
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01/15/2015 12:59:48 PM · #134 |
Here, yesterday's episode of Dave Ross should cheer you up ... :-) Fighting Fire With Food |
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01/15/2015 01:00:02 PM · #135 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by monster-zero:
Originally posted by Spork99:
You're assuming that it's always two tough guys getting into it, talking some shit and then pulling guns. That's ignorant. Would you say that to a mother with her newborn living in a remote trailer while two guys are breaking down the door looking for money while the cops are 45 minutes away? How about to a guy out with his family being assailed by 3 or 4 others? It's not about being tough. It's about self defense. |
Fair enough, though I wasn't being ignorant. When I was typing that, in my mind I'm thinking about the so called "gangstas" that like to pull guns when people aren't showing them the fear they think they deserve. Yeah, the situations you describe would make sense but looking at a bigger picture of how the most of people act these days I worry it would escalate into chaos quickly. |
And yeah, chances are those two "gangstas" aren't legally carrying anyway. They're going to have guns no matter how many laws say they can't. |
^-- This, right here!
Why does every anti-gun advocate just ignore this issue? You cannot and will not stop the criminals, why? Because they're criminals, by definition they don't give a rat's ass about the laws. |
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01/15/2015 01:01:38 PM · #136 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Here, yesterday's episode of Dave Ross should cheer you up ... :-) Fighting Fire With Food |
I actually think that's a great idea. Personally I'd rather have a firearm instead of a can of beans, but I'd be happy to take whatever I could get. Better to die trying than to die cowering. |
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01/15/2015 01:01:55 PM · #137 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by Mike:
if you want to carry a gun, go for it, just conceal it.
i just think the whole premise of this restaurant is akin to charlie hebdo and the freedom of expression discussion. in the end it's obnoxious behavior that makes people uncomfortable and angry. this world would be a far better place if we were just a bit more considerate of each other. |
If we didn't say anything controversial or do anything that everyone didn't like...yeah...that would be great. One big hive mind. |
its one thing to have a differing opinion, its another to recognize that others may respond in an extreme way you present your opinion.
i could walk into an art gallery and have a discussion on why i dont like an image, or i could rip it off the wall and stomp on it to express my opinion. one way is acceptable, the other is just being a dick.
Message edited by author 2015-01-15 13:02:57. |
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01/15/2015 01:06:44 PM · #138 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Here, yesterday's episode of Dave Ross should cheer you up ... :-) Fighting Fire With Food |
I actually think that's a great idea. Personally I'd rather have a firearm instead of a can of beans ... |
Yeah, but in this case we're talking about a classroom full of elementary schoolkids -- not sure I want all of them to have a firearm. |
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01/15/2015 01:09:07 PM · #139 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by monster-zero:
Originally posted by Spork99:
You're assuming that it's always two tough guys getting into it, talking some shit and then pulling guns. That's ignorant. Would you say that to a mother with her newborn living in a remote trailer while two guys are breaking down the door looking for money while the cops are 45 minutes away? How about to a guy out with his family being assailed by 3 or 4 others? It's not about being tough. It's about self defense. |
Fair enough, though I wasn't being ignorant. When I was typing that, in my mind I'm thinking about the so called "gangstas" that like to pull guns when people aren't showing them the fear they think they deserve. Yeah, the situations you describe would make sense but looking at a bigger picture of how the most of people act these days I worry it would escalate into chaos quickly. |
And yeah, chances are those two "gangstas" aren't legally carrying anyway. They're going to have guns no matter how many laws say they can't. |
^-- This, right here!
Why does every anti-gun advocate just ignore this issue? You cannot and will not stop the criminals, why? Because they're criminals, by definition they don't give a rat's ass about the laws. |
I have always wondered this. Common sense(which isn't all that common) tells us that these folks don't legally carry or possess guns now. If we change all laws and make it illegal for anyone to own a handgun, then do these folks suddenly give up their illegal guns? No they don't. They would still have them, and the only people you will have stripped of their rights to have guns are the people who weren't doing illegal things in the first place. You know, law abiding citizens. |
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01/15/2015 01:19:41 PM · #140 |
| The right to bear arms isn't there to protect us against criminals thats just a bonus. |
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01/15/2015 01:21:03 PM · #141 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Here, yesterday's episode of Dave Ross should cheer you up ... :-) Fighting Fire With Food |
I actually think that's a great idea. Personally I'd rather have a firearm instead of a can of beans ... |
Yeah, but in this case we're talking about a classroom full of elementary schoolkids -- not sure I want all of them to have a firearm. |
Which is why I generally think it's a good idea. I do think a few armed teachers would be a nice idea though. |
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01/15/2015 01:25:55 PM · #142 |
Originally posted by nygold:
The right to bear arms isn't there to protect us against criminals thats just a bonus. |
Also quite true, at least in a historical sense, but in all practicality the military would easily destroy the entire civilian population, no matter what firearms we have.. It's damned hard to defend yourself from a GBU2000 with a Colt .45 ACP, and impossible to out-shoot a drone with a hellfire.
In all practicality the idea that we could ever successfully revolt with violent means is a non-starter. Which basically leaves us with the other three uses: Sport, food, personal defense - which is plenty enough for me to think it's a good idea still. |
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01/15/2015 01:27:27 PM · #143 |
Originally posted by nygold:
The right to bear arms isn't there to protect us against criminals thats just a bonus. |
The right to bear arms is to protect us from threats....both foreign and domestic.
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01/15/2015 01:30:29 PM · #144 |
| actually it was to maintain a militia army. |
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01/15/2015 01:34:09 PM · #145 |
| the 2nd amendment is a bit outdated in its intents but then again so is the bible. |
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01/15/2015 01:35:11 PM · #146 |
Originally posted by Mike:
actually it was to maintain a militia army. |
Right, and many believe that the purpose of this citizen army was to prevent government overrun. Not that I think any of this is so wonderfully clear, those were different times, and a completely different world, with a wildly different set of circumstances. The wisdom of the founders is undeniable, but there are things they could never have foreseen. |
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01/15/2015 01:37:29 PM · #147 |
Originally posted by Mike:
the 2nd amendment is a bit outdated in its intents but then again so is the bible. |
Hmm, I'd say that neither is outdated in their intent, the bible being a way to consolidate power, encourage order, and gain wealth, while the 2nd amendment was intended to provide a right to defense. Both of these are still perfectly good intentions, and both are still wonderfully valid.
The implementation of each could probably use some work though, and the older one is clearly much more in need of renovation.
Funny enough, it's often when you combine the two that shit goes really wrong. |
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01/15/2015 01:38:36 PM · #148 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by Mike:
actually it was to maintain a militia army. |
Right, and many believe that the purpose of this citizen army was to prevent government overrun. Not that I think any of this is so wonderfully clear, those were different times, and a completely different world, with a wildly different set of circumstances. The wisdom of the founders is undeniable, but there are things they could never have foreseen. |
Like unemployment and drug addictions, apparently. |
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01/15/2015 01:38:46 PM · #149 |
Originally posted by nygold:
The right to bear arms isn't there to protect us against criminals thats just a bonus. |
I'm *STILL* saddened by the fact that this amendment would not permit me to have grizzly arms attached to my body.
then again, I live in friendly Canuckistan, where we never had to revolt to obtain our independence, and our biggest reason to need a gun has 4 legs and is furry, therefore a pistol is not the preferred weapon of choice and carry permits for guns in public are not a "thing" here.
Message edited by author 2015-01-15 13:40:56. |
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01/15/2015 01:39:15 PM · #150 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by Mike:
the 2nd amendment is a bit outdated in its intents but then again so is the bible. |
The implementation of each could probably use some work though, and the older one is clearly much more in need of renovation.
Funny enough, it's often when you combine the two that shit goes really wrong. |
you said it better and the observation is spot on. |
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