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12/18/2014 02:27:39 PM · #26 |
| Looks like they are garnishing the burgers with lettuce and tomato so it's not all bad. I assume they don't serve alcohol and only have decaffeinated beverages. |
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12/18/2014 02:41:04 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by insteps:
I assume they don't serve alcohol and only have decaffeinated beverages. |
where is the fun in that? |
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12/18/2014 02:44:26 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by Tiny:
Originally posted by Alexkc:
I'm still thinking about the worst thing here - the post or the restaurant, or both? |
both |
Yeh, both
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12/18/2014 02:53:11 PM · #29 |
I suppose they will have loads of ideas for burger names, "the AK 47", "the Kalashnikov", "The Sandy Hook Elementary School"
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12/18/2014 03:16:40 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by jagar:
"The Sandy Hook Elementary School" |
I assume that would be the kid-size burger? :-( This whole business is disturbing. I understand that the owners, and frequenters, of the restaurant are making a statement, but nevertheless the gun culture just makes me wildly uneasy. It's just the way I'm wired :-( |
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12/18/2014 03:25:31 PM · #31 |
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12/18/2014 06:50:49 PM · #32 |
| I don't mean to say that SC's behaviour is wrong, but in my country (quite sure in Europe in general) the post would be closed in 5 minute. In this case I'm glad it was not - I could read John's and Mike's answers and it made my day :) |
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12/27/2014 05:04:47 AM · #33 |
I used to target shoot, paintball and hunt rabbits with air guns here in uk
I've eaten in restaurants on nearly every continent apart from South America I have never once felt unsafe or at threat of being robbed and if someone did want to steal my possessions I had on me I'd rather they took them than a bunch of undertrained over self optioned ppl drew down and more than likely did more damage.
I feel sorry for the ignorance of the poster it's a big wide world and maybe opening your mind and travelling a bit might remove some of your fears.
Are you saying you'd draw and shoot/kill someone who was say attempting to rob you off $50 in your wallet and an iphone that's more than likely insured. What would be your thought process? Surely someone's life is worth more than material possessions even if they've got themselves into a bad spot and need the money for drugs or what ever.
The risk vs reward thought process would surely be I draw then I become the target so I've got to fire then I do fire I miss hit another patron or a child or say you hit and your packing some ridiculous cartridge that can stop an m1 abramhams , and a through and through hits a child eating their silver dollar pancakes.
If you need a gun to feel safe move somewhere else |
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12/27/2014 08:08:25 AM · #34 |
Originally posted by Giles:
Are you saying you'd draw and shoot/kill someone who was say attempting to rob you off $50 in your wallet and an iphone that's more than likely insured. What would be your thought process? Surely someone's life is worth more than material possessions even if they've got themselves into a bad spot and need the money for drugs or what ever. |
An interesting question that I hope the OP answers.
Message edited by author 2014-12-27 08:08:36. |
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12/27/2014 10:44:18 AM · #35 |
| Why is this not in Rant? We all know it's going to get there within 48 hours anyway. |
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12/27/2014 10:50:13 AM · #36 |
Originally posted by Ann:
Why is this not in Rant? We all know it's going to get there within 48 hours anyway. |
It's been up for over a week and nobody's started ranting yet... I'm surprised, but there it is :-) |
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12/27/2014 10:58:21 AM · #37 |
Originally posted by jagar:
I've never been in a restaurant that allows firearms, not sure I would feel safe in one. |
Hmm. I have to say, first, I don't see this entire thing as any sort of 'good' idea.
With that being said, your reaction puzzles me. You go into restaurants full of knives pretty regularly, and I assume that you've yet to be stabbed while grabbing a croissant, no?
I don't foresee this being a place where the guns are out, being shot, or even being passed around (we don't really do that much), mostly they're just strange bits of jewelry. Frankly, you're probably statistically more likely to be injured or killed by one of your utensils. (and to be honest, the REAL threat here is the food, SOO many ways that can go wrong...).. |
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12/27/2014 11:00:40 AM · #38 |
I did expect this thread to become a gun debate. Perhaps we are all burned out on that argument by now and we know we will not be changing any minds in an internet forum.
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12/27/2014 11:11:31 AM · #39 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
I did expect this thread to become a gun debate. Perhaps we are all burned out on that argument by now and we know we will not be changing any minds in an internet forum. |
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! |
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12/27/2014 11:12:35 AM · #40 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by jagar:
I've never been in a restaurant that allows firearms, not sure I would feel safe in one. |
Hmm. I have to say, first, I don't see this entire thing as any sort of 'good' idea.
With that being said, your reaction puzzles me. You go into restaurants full of knives pretty regularly, and I assume that you've yet to be stabbed while grabbing a croissant, no? |
I don't think that's the real issue. It's more like Giles mentioned; I'd be uneasy with the idea that if anybody DID come in to rob the place or whatever my fellow patrons might decide to take him down in a hail of lead...
I'm sure you've seen Tarantino's "Pulp Fiction"? Remember the two yoyos who decide to rob the coffee shop? How might THAT have ended if half a dozen patrons decided to open fire? |
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12/27/2014 11:26:05 AM · #41 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
I bet they don't get robbed and the patrons & employees feel safe |
How often does a restaurant full of people get robbed, outside of movies? It would seem like a very dumb target for a robbery. |
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12/27/2014 11:36:19 AM · #42 |
If someone tried to rob me in a restaurant, I'd feel much happier handing over the goods than killing or seeing someone else kill the thief. Having grew up where even the police didn't have guns I would feel pretty insecure knowing that the restaurant I was eating in could within an instant turn into the OK Corral, having said that if I'd have spent my childhood where everyone had a gun It might not bother me at all..
Message edited by author 2014-12-27 11:37:19. |
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12/27/2014 11:48:13 AM · #43 |
Originally posted by jagar:
If someone tried to rob me in a restaurant, I'd feel much happier handing over the goods than killing or seeing someone else kill the thief. Having grew up where even the police didn't have guns I would feel pretty insecure knowing that the restaurant I was eating in could within an instant turn into the OK Corral, having said that if I'd have spent my childhood where everyone had a gun It might not bother me at all.. |
Of course, there really isn't any place where everyone has guns, and even if you grew up where it was common, you'd probably still feel much the same way.
Frankly, even though I own, use, and grew up around guns, I'm not really all that much in support of blatant open carry, even though it's our right to do so, at this point it feels like most people who do it are simply doing it as a political statement, which at it's very core makes me somewhat uncomfortable.
*shrug*.. I guess I dislike this mostly because I recognize that it's exactly this sort of thing that will eventually lead to more restrictions.
The one thing that I know is that open carry makes people uncomfortable, and anything that makes a majority of the population uncomfortable will change. Ironic isn't it? That the act of 'protecting our rights' is the thing that will be most likely to have them removed.
I don't figure I'll be eating at one of these.
Message edited by author 2014-12-27 11:48:50. |
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12/27/2014 11:53:50 AM · #44 |
Originally posted by rcollier:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
I bet they don't get robbed and the patrons & employees feel safe |
How often does a restaurant full of people get robbed, outside of movies? It would seem like a very dumb target for a robbery. |
Criminals aren't very bright. Two weeks ago, while my wife, son, and I are sitting in our living room. Lights on, tv, on and very visibly home. Someone tried to break in our home. I saw them on our video cameras I have outside, and went and scared them off. One thing about criminals is, no matter how stupid of an idea rational people think it is, criminals will prove that there is someone dumb enough to do it. I am not sure how to do it, but if you would like to see the video I'll try to find a way to upload it.
Video from our survelience cameras. I think this is public from my Facebook page so everyone can see it.
Message edited by author 2014-12-27 11:59:08. |
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12/27/2014 11:56:58 AM · #45 |
The idea of more guns in more untrained or marginally trained hands does not make me feel safer. I worry which of these currently "responsible gun owners" is going to be the next person to mentally snap and go on a convenient shooting spree.
Both sides in the argument have valid points, but the problem is more complicated than can be addressed by one-liners on social media.
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12/27/2014 12:05:54 PM · #46 |
 MattO - that is crazy, thanks for sharing the video. Hope they all get caught. |
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12/27/2014 02:52:56 PM · #47 |
| I showed the police the video. They recognized all three of them. At least one was picked up on outstanding warrants and spent the Christmas holiday in jail. All three are under 20 years of age. Sad state of the youth these days. It's very common in this area. |
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12/27/2014 02:59:31 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by MattO:
All three are under 20 years of age. Sad state of the youth these days. It's very common in this area. |
Just curious if you know the youth unemployment rate in your area.
Glad this seems to be getting resolved without anyone getting (physically) hurt, and I hope that getting caught this early gives them a chance to turn their lives around.
Hope you have a less-exceiting new year! |
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12/27/2014 04:44:02 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by MattO:
Originally posted by rcollier:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
I bet they don't get robbed and the patrons & employees feel safe |
How often does a restaurant full of people get robbed, outside of movies? It would seem like a very dumb target for a robbery. |
Criminals aren't very bright. Two weeks ago, while my wife, son, and I are sitting in our living room. Lights on, tv, on and very visibly home. Someone tried to break in our home. I saw them on our video cameras I have outside, and went and scared them off. One thing about criminals is, no matter how stupid of an idea rational people think it is, criminals will prove that there is someone dumb enough to do it. I am not sure how to do it, but if you would like to see the video I'll try to find a way to upload it.
Video from our survelience cameras. I think this is public from my Facebook page so everyone can see it. |
Sadly, home invasions in occupied homes happen all over. There are a few here in Ottawa every year, including a 101 year old veteran who had his home invaded just before Christmas. I still don't think this compares to robbing a restaurant though, except maybe very late at night when there are very few patrons.
Personally, I would not go to a restaurant with a crowd of civilians carrying guns simply because they like to, I definitely wouldn't take my family there. It's not like I haven't been around guns, I grew up in a small town and used to hunt, trap and fish as a teenager. I don't know anyone who had any desire to carry a rifle other than to hunt or target practice. Of course, this is in Canada and handguns are restricted weapons.
Message edited by author 2014-12-27 16:45:29. |
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12/27/2014 09:18:39 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by MattO:
All three are under 20 years of age. Sad state of the youth these days. It's very common in this area. |
Just curious if you know the youth unemployment rate in your area.
Glad this seems to be getting resolved without anyone getting (physically) hurt, and I hope that getting caught this early gives them a chance to turn their lives around.
Hope you have a less-exceiting new year! |
Sadly the girl in the video has several prior arrests. Including stealing a Salvation Army collection Kettle last year while the volunteer took a bathroom break. Her and an accomplice used bolt cutters to remove it and a baseball bat to finish opening it. She told the police she did it to buy more drugs. She is a repeat and constant offender. |
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