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12/09/2014 10:26:05 AM · #51 |
Should Canon be concerned that Robert  bear_music is moving to Sony?
The trend appears to be in this direction for many photographers. Not necessarily to Sony but away from Canon DSLRs. They are still premium cameras but have become less appealing for many. I don't have any statistics or follow the camera industry closely so this is just my observation. For me, Canon will need to introduce a game changer at some point.
Will there be a flood of used L glass coming to market? Unlike a DSLR camera body, L glass is know to retain it's value. Is this investment threatened by current trends?
When will Canon offer a compact camera/lens combination to compete with their DSLRs? I imagine when sales numbers decline to a point that they have to,
Everything changes, we just don't know how fast until it's happened. |
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12/09/2014 10:59:32 AM · #52 |
Originally posted by insteps:
Should Canon be concerned that Robert bear_music is moving to Sony?
The trend appears to be in this direction for many photographers. Not necessarily to Sony but away from Canon DSLRs. They are still premium cameras but have become less appealing for many. I don't have any statistics or follow the camera industry closely so this is just my observation. For me, Canon will need to introduce a game changer at some point.
Will there be a flood of used L glass coming to market? Unlike a DSLR camera body, L glass is know to retain it's value. Is this investment threatened by current trends?
When will Canon offer a compact camera/lens combination to compete with their DSLRs? I imagine when sales numbers decline to a point that they have to,
Everything changes, we just don't know how fast until it's happened. |
Canon isn't worried... //www.canonwatch.com/canon-going-serious-mirrorless-2015-full-frame-milc-coming/ |
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12/09/2014 01:38:59 PM · #53 |
| The EOS M looks interesting. I assume EF and EF-S lenses, connected with an adaptor, will auto focus. That would be a bonus but defeats the point of a smaller camera body. Should be interesting to see what direction they head with this product. Wonder how the EF-M glass will compare to EF L glass? Coming a bit late to the game will invite greater scrutiny. |
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12/09/2014 01:50:24 PM · #54 |
i cant wait for mirrorless to take hold. im still holding back because even though sony has taken the system forward with great sensor technology, their lens lineup leaves a lot to be desired and i'm not really thrilled with investing in a system that hasn't even shown any standardization to a particular mount or a solid lens lineup.
hopefully canon or nikon will develop a mirrorless system that makes use of their specific mounts or at an solid adapter to use my existing lenses. |
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12/09/2014 01:50:43 PM · #55 |
there will always be love for good lenses. much as I love potabilityportability, I will always have a Pentax body for my favourite manual manual lens.
dead lens society? |
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12/09/2014 03:35:34 PM · #56 |
Originally posted by Mike:
hopefully canon or nikon will develop a mirrorless system |
It's called EOS-M.
It needs work, IMO.
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12/09/2014 03:47:33 PM · #57 |
| I'd be up for a mirrirless, but am not in any hurry. Perhaps by the time I need to lighten up, Nikon will have developed and perfected a replacement |
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12/09/2014 09:14:36 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by Mike:
i cant wait for mirrorless to take hold. im still holding back because even though sony has taken the system forward with great sensor technology, their lens lineup leaves a lot to be desired and i'm not really thrilled with investing in a system that hasn't even shown any standardization to a particular mount or a solid lens lineup.
hopefully canon or nikon will develop a mirrorless system that makes use of their specific mounts or at an solid adapter to use my existing lenses. |
Nikon's mirrorless uses a new CX format for the 1" sensor used in the Nikon 1. YOu can use F mount lenses only with an adapter and that adds bulk and weight. The whole point of mirrorless is lighter, smaller. Except for primes, most existing FF lenses are considerably larger and heavier than the mirrorless kind.
For AF I wouldn't want to use a bigger format's lenses as it uses more resources to move glass elements that are larger than they have to be for the smaller format. For single shot AF contrast detect has caught up with PDAF in speed. It's very quick, and more importantly, very accurate. No front/back focusing going on. No need to calibrate body and lens. Continuous with tracking AF is the mirrorless achilles heal.
Over the years, Nikon is the only mfg to really use a standard mount across the generations of they bodies. (Maybe Pentax too?) Canon has EF, FD, FL. Each mfg has had their own mounts. No interchangability between mfgs. No standardization in the industry. Sony's new mount is E and while they don't have much of a lens lineup, more will come, though will be large and heavy compared with smaller formats. In the meantime you can use existing glass with the proper adapter.
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12/10/2014 03:01:12 AM · #59 |
I moved to m43 and have never regretted the move from Canon.
Weight was one reason but I never found Canon lenses to be sharp whereas all my new lenses still amaze me with sharpness right from wide open.
No regrets |
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12/10/2014 03:16:29 AM · #60 |
| I came from the nikon fold, apart from the weight the one thing that blew me away was how good the lenses are, the Fuji lenses are spectacular and the Sony zeiss ones are too. |
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12/10/2014 07:35:50 AM · #61 |
I gave mirrorless a try but somehow I ended up 6D full frame. When my camera and lenses were stolen and the insurance gave me the cheque I thought of both 6D and OM-D EM1
Message edited by author 2014-12-10 07:36:14. |
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12/10/2014 02:02:59 PM · #62 |
| It's worth remembering that this a7 line of Sony cameras is *beyond* mirrorless, it's FULL FRAME mirrorless, the same outstanding sensor that lives in the Nikon D800. There's nothing else like it on the market right now. |
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12/10/2014 02:27:02 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
Originally posted by Mike:
hopefully canon or nikon will develop a mirrorless system |
It's called EOS-M.
It needs work, IMO. |
im still waiting for full frame. |
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12/10/2014 02:36:05 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by Mike:
Originally posted by kirbic:
Originally posted by Mike:
hopefully canon or nikon will develop a mirrorless system |
It's called EOS-M.
It needs work, IMO. |
im still waiting for full frame. |
As am I. I do feel (and has posted here as long as a couple years ago) that mirrorless is the future. The area that is widely recognized as needing improvement is AF performance. One that does not get nearly as much press, but I think is every bit as important, is EVF quality (mainly resolution). The current EVF resolution is, IMO, lacking.
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12/10/2014 02:53:42 PM · #65 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
One that does not get nearly as much press, but I think is every bit as important, is EVF quality (mainly resolution). The current EVF resolution is, IMO, lacking. |
Have you checked out the Sony EVF? It's extraordinary... One of the selling points; FF sensor was the other, for me at least. |
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12/10/2014 03:08:03 PM · #66 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Have you checked out the Sony EVF? It's extraordinary... One of the selling points; FF sensor was the other, for me at least. |
I have not personally used it. They bill it as having 2.359 million dots, but they are counting each individual color dot, so it's not 2.3+ MPx, but 0.78MPx (XGA, or 1024x768). I don't regard this as coming near the detail present in an optical viewfinder. All that said, the proof of the pudding is in the eating... mmmm, now I want to make some bread pudding!
I would really like to take the A7R out for a spin. I do love the performance of my wife's little RX100, and I think the Sony sensors are in general absolutely top notch.
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12/10/2014 03:47:06 PM · #67 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by kirbic:
One that does not get nearly as much press, but I think is every bit as important, is EVF quality (mainly resolution). The current EVF resolution is, IMO, lacking. |
Have you checked out the Sony EVF? It's extraordinary... One of the selling points; FF sensor was the other, for me at least. |
It is, isn't it? I couldn't believe the quality of the A7S EVF it blew my mind. |
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12/11/2014 09:20:35 AM · #68 |
Originally posted by salmiakki:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by kirbic:
One that does not get nearly as much press, but I think is every bit as important, is EVF quality (mainly resolution). The current EVF resolution is, IMO, lacking. |
Have you checked out the Sony EVF? It's extraordinary... One of the selling points; FF sensor was the other, for me at least. |
It is, isn't it? I couldn't believe the quality of the A7S EVF it blew my mind. |
The EVF on my Sony A77 is very good ... I don't even notice the difference anymore. |
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12/11/2014 09:29:00 AM · #69 |
How is the Sony viewfinder when looking through and adjusting a circular polarizer?
I find it very hard to do with my Fuji, whether through the screen or the EVF. |
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12/11/2014 04:19:06 PM · #70 |
In simple terms, what're the main differences between
A7
A7R
A7S |
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12/11/2014 04:30:40 PM · #71 |
Originally posted by Garry:
In simple terms, what're the main differences between
A7
A7R
A7S |
Pretty much sensor size. The A7R has a huge 36m or something sensor and no AA filter, similar to the Nikon D800e. more geared towards landscapes perhaps. The A7S is at the other end, still Full Frame but only a 12m sensor, which sounds small these days but it has been designed for amazing low light, high ISO, to an amazing level. It also has very high end video capabilities. The cheaper A7 is kind of inbetween, with a 24m sensor. It also has a slightly lesser build quality. What Sony has done has come out with three cameras designed for different uses. I wouldn't want to use a A7R for a wedding, that big sensor effects lots of things. The A7S would be perfect for a wedding though.
Message edited by author 2014-12-11 16:33:00. |
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12/11/2014 04:33:59 PM · #72 |
Originally posted by rooum:
Originally posted by Garry:
In simple terms, what're the main differences between
A7
A7R
A7S |
Pretty much sensor size. The A7R has a huge 36m or something sensor and no AA filter, similar to the Nikon D800e. more geared towards landscapes perhaps. The A7S is at the other end, still Full Frame but only a 12m sensor, which sound small these days but it has been designed for amazing low light, high ISO, to an amazing level. It also has very high end video capabilities. The cheaper A7 is kind of inbetween, with a 24m sensor. It also has a slightly lesser build quality. What Sony has done has come out with three cameras designed for different uses. I wouldn't want to use a A7R for a wedding, that big sensor effects lots of things. The A7S would be perfect for a wedding though. |
To expand on this, it's really not sensor size (they're all double cine / full frame), but rather pixel pitch.
The A7 has the mid-size pixels, the A7R has smaller pixel sites (More noise, more detail), the A7S has the largest pixel sites (Lower resolution, but CRAZY high ISO performance.)
Message edited by author 2014-12-11 16:34:18. |
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12/11/2014 04:36:21 PM · #73 |
Originally posted by MadMan2k:
How is the Sony viewfinder when looking through and adjusting a circular polarizer?
I find it very hard to do with my Fuji, whether through the screen or the EVF. |
Basically the same. EVF/LCD's always adjust the image to be a constant brightness, so this is always an issue as far as I know with any non SLR type system.
I find that watching the overall image balance is the best indicator, not nearly as easy as the DSLR, but it works. |
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12/11/2014 04:51:17 PM · #74 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Basically the same. EVF/LCD's always adjust the image to be a constant brightness, so this is always an issue as far as I know with any non SLR type system. |
On my Canon the EVF gives you a preview of the "result" of the current settings when you half-press the shutter button; it's what let's me shoot in manual when there's no moving subject, as I can adjust the exposure before capturing the image.
For the polarizer issue, I hold the shutter-halfway while rotating the filter to the effective position.
Message edited by author 2014-12-11 16:53:20. |
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12/11/2014 06:04:06 PM · #75 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by rooum:
Originally posted by Garry:
In simple terms, what're the main differences between
A7
A7R
A7S |
Pretty much sensor size. The A7R has a huge 36m or something sensor and no AA filter, similar to the Nikon D800e. more geared towards landscapes perhaps. The A7S is at the other end, still Full Frame but only a 12m sensor, which sound small these days but it has been designed for amazing low light, high ISO, to an amazing level. It also has very high end video capabilities. The cheaper A7 is kind of inbetween, with a 24m sensor. It also has a slightly lesser build quality. What Sony has done has come out with three cameras designed for different uses. I wouldn't want to use a A7R for a wedding, that big sensor effects lots of things. The A7S would be perfect for a wedding though. |
To expand on this, it's really not sensor size (they're all double cine / full frame), but rather pixel pitch.
The A7 has the mid-size pixels, the A7R has smaller pixel sites (More noise, more detail), the A7S has the largest pixel sites (Lower resolution, but CRAZY high ISO performance.) |
SOUNDS like the A7 is a happy middle of the road. Question is, does the performance suffer because of that? Is it "inferior" to the other two? Since it's the cheapest of the three, what quality (picture or build) compromises had to be made?
Regarding pixels, I always thought bigger was better. Wasn't that one of the many drawing points of FF? |
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