Experiment with BW Floral ala Setzler

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

09/25/2004 12:35:53 PM · #1

I was fooling around with John Setzler's push processing technique (discussed in a thread the other day) and applied it to a floral shot I took recently.

I'd love to get some feedback. Let me know what you think.

digistoune

Canon EOS-20D

09/25/2004 12:41:03 PM · #2

Purdy!!

What push processing technique? Post a link?

Neil

Fujifilm X-T30

09/25/2004 01:07:54 PM · #3

Ellen, the thread is at: //dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=read&FORUM_THREAD_ID=127200

Mario, I think it might look better more conventionally converted to black and white with higher contrast. I think when asking us to evaluate such a technique, you might want to show the original. (See mine below)

The interesting question for this technique is--whereas it has value as a means to use a lower exposure than the meter allows, what is the real "effect" John and other are talking about. If you look at the examples posted, it's perhaps an overly contrasty image with loss of detail in the shadows.

However, I did try a variant of this procedure on an underexposed, evening shot; it was a different way to process, and I thought the results were--interesting. I felt it brought out detail in the shadows more than a conventional conversion, but not if I used the brightness settings John quoted, because then it became too dark and detail was lost.

But out of that thread, I thought the more interesting aspect was the plugin for imagefactory. I usually convert to black and white in PSE using two Hue/Saturation layers. The first for adjusting the RGB, and the top for desaturating. This gives you great control over the hues. The plugin allows this as well, is easier (though not cheap), and I like the "film" settings you can pick.

Here is the "experiment" I posted in the other thread. First is the orig (conversion from raw to png to jpg) and the others converted as well first using the push process technique described below, but with brightness set to only -50, so I didn't loose all the tree details in this already underexposed image. Then I started over, did Trix in imagefactories filter, with an adjusted gamma to brighten the image a bit, and that looked cool. I cropped these after the tests, and reduced for upload to 640x4xx, so the crop may not be identical, but the base pic is. I didn't do any post reduction sharpening, or other cleanup, as this was only for the test:

digistoune

Canon EOS-20D

09/25/2004 01:11:26 PM · #4

Originally posted by nshapiro:

Ellen, the thread is at: //dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=read&FORUM_THREAD_ID=127200

Thanks

annasense

Olympus E-500 EVOLT

Olympus 14-45mm f/3.5-5.6 Zuiko Digital ED

09/25/2004 01:13:23 PM · #5

Nice work! I left you a comment. :)

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

09/25/2004 02:24:41 PM · #6

Originally posted by nshapiro:

I think when asking us to evaluate such a technique, you might want to show the original.

Sorry. Here is the original, unedited, just resized:

I was going for the look, not necessarily the actual PP technique.

Neil

Fujifilm X-T30

09/25/2004 02:34:20 PM · #7

Originally posted by mariomel:

Originally posted by nshapiro:
I think when asking us to evaluate such a technique, you might want to show the original.

Sorry. Here is the original, unedited, just resized:

I was going for the look, not necessarily the actual PP technique.

Interesting, when I see the original. I do like the extra contrast it brought out between the flowers.

09/25/2004 03:39:52 PM · #8

Originally posted by nshapiro:

Mario, I think it might look better more conventionally converted to black and white with higher contrast.

Neil, here is a version using the channel mixer to convert to BW (TriX) and added contrast:

The original:

and my PP attempt:

I think I like the PP version best, as the contrast between the flowers is not as great, and because of the added grain, created ny John's technique. I did not add the grain, it came from the process.

Mick

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

09/25/2004 04:27:55 PM · #9

For the life of me I canâ��t understand why people would want to take a perfectly good image, one that is rich in deliciously vivid colors, and convert it to dull, lifeless shades of gray. In my opinion, itâ��s like a vampire sucking the life out of a victim.

Yes, some photos look good in B&W, and sometimes colors can â��get in the wayâ�� of what the photographer wants to convey, but give me a good color photo any day. Can you imagine going through life day-to-day without color, and only seeing shades of gray? To me, thatâ��s what hell must look like. :)

I think your original photo looks pretty good in color. I think it only needed to be a little brighter (more exposure or levels adjustment), and perhaps a bit tighter crop.

Just my $0.02.

Canon EOS-20D

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

09/25/2004 05:10:25 PM · #10

Originally posted by micknewton:

But let us know how you really feel. :P