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 09/24/2014 06:45:46 AM · #26
Just to understand things fully, I'm assuming that the use of apps which apply filters and effects as part of the capture process, but would otherwise be disallowed as a part of Advanced Editing rules, would be permitted?

For example...



This is as shot and what I'm seeing as I prepare to take the photo, as opposed to shot and then filtered.
 09/24/2014 06:47:52 AM · #27
Adding on to the questions, are panoramic images allowed since, again, they are captured and stitched as a part of the original photo by the phone?
 09/24/2014 07:00:37 AM · #28
Looking forward to this. I have only been using my phone since I arrived back here in April! Hopefully I have learnt something!
 09/24/2014 07:15:33 AM · #29
Originally posted by backdoorhippie:
Just to understand things fully, I'm assuming that the use of apps which apply filters and effects as part of the capture process, but would otherwise be disallowed as a part of Advanced Editing rules, would be permitted?

For example...



This is as shot and what I'm seeing as I prepare to take the photo, as opposed to shot and then filtered.

One thing you would want to verify with the SC is the contest validity of your file. As far as I know, only the native camera application on the iPhone generates a file with all the necessary metadata.
 09/24/2014 08:14:00 AM · #30
Originally posted by hahn23:
Originally posted by backdoorhippie:
Just to understand things fully, I'm assuming that the use of apps which apply filters and effects as part of the capture process, but would otherwise be disallowed as a part of Advanced Editing rules, would be permitted?

For example...



This is as shot and what I'm seeing as I prepare to take the photo, as opposed to shot and then filtered.

One thing you would want to verify with the SC is the contest validity of your file. As far as I know, only the native camera application on the iPhone generates a file with all the necessary metadata.


This is an incredibly important point. I've got a bunch of different camera apps on my iPhone 5 (Camera+, ProCam, 645 PRO, NightCam, Panorama, Snappix, Fisheye Pro, MarbleCam) all in addition to the native camera and which I use over the basic camera, in addition to filter apps, and would love to know what the groundrules are. I'm happy to submit a sample JPG from each to the SC if they're willing to make a public declaration as to whether or not they're acceptable.

The image I uploaded already does have certain EXIF data available since it was all filled in automatically on upload. It would be great to know the criteria they are using to validate the base image so we don't have to question or worry about everything.

And given that the only criteria is that, "Your entry must be captured with a device that is also capable of making and receiving phone calls", what about phones that do not embed complex EXIF data? Are they ineligible? What precisely is required?
 09/24/2014 08:28:29 AM · #31
Really?
Phone challenge?
Flipping Fiddle Sticks!

Message edited by Paul - Moderating while preserving meaning..
 09/24/2014 08:57:39 AM · #32
I think I've still got a camera phone that only shoots at 640x480 - no resizing required! :)

But I'll probably use the Iphone for this one, never even cracked one of its photos open in Photoshop before so it'll be interesting.
 09/24/2014 09:15:36 AM · #33
Doing just a bit of personal research, I've imported a bunch of shots from my iPhone into Lightroom and looked at the metadata. So let's just say, it can get interesting. I'm assuming that anything where the make and model of the camera are listed as "Apple" and "iPhone" are fine, which includes photos from Camera+ and ProCam, with the specific app listed in Software.

Here are some other camera apps with what I see in the Lightroom EXIF data, listing Make, Model, Software & Lens information. The assumption would be if iPhone5 is listed in any of these then it would be acceptable from an EXIF identification perspective.

DMD Panorama: Make = 'Apple', Model = 'iPhone5,1 N41AP', Software = 'DMD Panorama' (assuming OK)

TrueHDR: Make = 'TrueHDR app on Apple iDevice', no Model or Software listed, Lens = 'iPhone 5 back camera 4.12mm F/2.4' (assuming OK)

645 Pro Camera: Make = 'Jag.gr', Model = '645 PRO Mk II for Apple iPhone 5', Software = '3.53, V50 film, 645 back' (assuming OK)

Hipstamatic: Make = 'Hipstamatic', Model = '278' (this changes with your choice within the app), Software lists the specific filter and lens combination chosen, Lens = 'iPhone 5 back camera 4.12mm F/2.4' (assuming OK)

Pro HDR: Make = 'Apple + Pro HDR', Model = 'iPhone', Software = '7.1.2' (assuming OK)

HDR FX: Make = 'JellyBus', Model = 'iPhone 5', Software = 'HDR FX' (assuming OK)

And for the 4-part, warhol filtered photo above...
ameraC: Make = 'ameraC', Model = '2.1.4 (2.1.4)', Lens = 'iPhone 5 back camera 4.12mm F/2.4' (assuming OK)

For other filter apps that use the camera, most of them strip all of the above data, so I am going to assume that if there's nothing in the listed EXIF fields then it's a No-Go.

The new question I have is for the HDR and panorama apps. These shoot and blend in camera, producing a single image (I never see the piece-parts). Does this violate the rules regarding multiple images used in Advanced Editing?

Message edited by author 2014-09-24 09:16:41.
 09/24/2014 12:05:02 PM · #34
Originally posted by MAK:
Really?
Phone challenge?
Flipping Fiddle Sticks!


Its a fair cop... i tried my hardest not to offend guess it didn't work out like that. I'm still not excited at the prospect of shooting with a mobile phone regardless.
 09/24/2014 01:11:10 PM · #35
Originally posted by backdoorhippie:
The new question I have is for the HDR and panorama apps. These shoot and blend in camera, producing a single image (I never see the piece-parts). Does this violate the rules regarding multiple images used in Advanced Editing?

HDR should be OK for sure, panoramic maybe not (will need other opinions though). Panos will probably be of limited appeal anyway, because of the 800px limmit -- it's hard to get a really "panoramic" image tall enough to look good here.

09/24/2014 01:16:47 PM · #36
Snake pano. :P
 09/24/2014 03:05:44 PM · #37
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by backdoorhippie:
The new question I have is for the HDR and panorama apps. These shoot and blend in camera, producing a single image (I never see the piece-parts). Does this violate the rules regarding multiple images used in Advanced Editing?

HDR should be OK for sure, panoramic maybe not (will need other opinions though). Panos will probably be of limited appeal anyway, because of the 800px limmit -- it's hard to get a really "panoramic" image tall enough to look good here.



That assumes your app can only pan in one direction. ;)
 09/24/2014 03:07:44 PM · #38
FYI, A while back (maybe a year ago) I sent an inquiry to the site council that included a pano straight from the iPhone photos application. They told me that this image did not have proper exif data, and would NOT be validated.
 09/24/2014 03:39:35 PM · #39
Originally posted by giantmike:
FYI, A while back (maybe a year ago) I sent an inquiry to the site council that included a pano straight from the iPhone photos application. They told me that this image did not have proper exif data, and would NOT be validated.


And that's why I included all the EXIF stuff above since I have Pano Apps that do.
 09/24/2014 04:59:38 PM · #40
A primary reason for the push to legalize texture overlays in Advanced Editing was to allow people to enter a lot of the stuff phone apps are producing these days. The awkward part is gonna be the EXIF issues, but I think as long as we can verify date unambiguously then MOST of it's gonna be good to go, assuming the editing is otherwise "legal". For example, you'd best stay away from processing that introduces "light flares" and other artifacts.

But this is just my personal opinion, as an SC: we have not as yet had any extended discussion on this, and I'd guess we probably won't until we have images to validate from this challenge. Again speaking personally, I'd be in favor of "relaxed standards" just FOR this challenge as we work it out, but I might be a minority on that.

Jake, regarding your images and their EXIF, I'm gonna defer that to Manic and Shannon, our EXIF experts; I'm a neophyte at it, and when I think I see an issue I go to Shannon for feedback before pulling any triggers.
 09/24/2014 05:40:42 PM · #41
I see Mak's point of view. It seems incredibly silly for a photography site to lower itself to cell phones. First impression.

But, as photographers, we have to be ready for the shot. Sometimes, the shot happens without a "real" camera. Do we ignore the shot simply because we don't have the right equipment with us? I tend to, but my phone takes lousy photos. A good photographer knows his equipment and how to get the best out of it. This is just another piece of equipment. Substandard, imo, but another piece of equipment in the photographers bag pocket.

(Of course, the only real reason that I don't like this challenge is that I suck at wide angle shots, and my phone does lousy macros. :)

Message edited by author 2014-09-24 17:41:25.
 09/24/2014 05:46:39 PM · #42
Originally posted by backdoorhippie:
That assumes your app can only pan in one direction. ;)

I've had enough medical traning to not ASS|U|ME anything (or be prepared to suffer the consequences) ...
09/24/2014 05:56:57 PM · #43
Originally posted by vawendy:
...another piece of equipment in the photographers bag pocket.

Cruel twist that the iPhone 6 was released just a tad late for the Right Angles challenge.
 09/24/2014 06:43:25 PM · #44
Originally posted by bohemka:
Originally posted by vawendy:
...another piece of equipment in the photographers bag pocket.

Cruel twist that the iPhone 6 was released just a tad late for the Right Angles challenge.

Lol. It's the iPhone 6 plus which bends. The iPhone 6 with Otterbox Defender case is pretty good. But, I did laugh at your post.
 09/24/2014 08:19:19 PM · #45
I see this challenge was proposed as soon as I declared myself cameraphoneless. I had no idea people were so afraid of my talent.

Be that as it may, I think that camera phones can be just as worthy members of the photographers arsenal as, hmn, that new Leica thingy without the lcd.
 09/26/2014 02:20:16 AM · #46
I'm glad I upgraded my phone from this...

to this:
09/26/2014 03:04:59 AM · #47
some people get so ahead of themselves.
 09/26/2014 06:07:51 AM · #48
quote=hahn23
"Let's see whose phone produces the best images."

My cell phone's picture quality is more than poor, it is several years old, no trendy iPhone and doesn't feature apps or filters... I wonder if I shall submit nevertheless. Hopefully voters will valuate other aspects too like the idea behind the shot, the perspective or whatever makes the entries worth looking at.
 09/26/2014 08:14:53 AM · #49
Originally posted by primabarbara:
Hopefully voters will valuate other aspects too like the idea behind the shot, the perspective or whatever makes the entries worth looking at.


lol
 09/26/2014 08:54:58 AM · #50
Originally posted by Mike:
Originally posted by primabarbara:
Hopefully voters will valuate other aspects too like the idea behind the shot, the perspective or whatever makes the entries worth looking at.


lol


uuhhh, Mike
seems I'm pretty naive: I thought pictures were made by humans and not by devices. At least that's what able photographers told me. Are you suggesting that voters at dpc don't belong to that category ???? I better won't submit then
*G*
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