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09/03/2014 09:46:08 AM · #76 |
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Originally posted by Nicht:
Girls who look at magazines and get depressed weren't brought up with enough self-confidence. |
Would you like to perhaps reconsider this sweeping statement? |
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09/03/2014 10:08:15 AM · #77 |
Originally posted by pamb:
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Originally posted by Nicht:
Girls who look at magazines and get depressed weren't brought up with enough self-confidence. |
Would you like to perhaps reconsider this sweeping statement? |
maybe perhaps you could share your insight instead of asking everyone else to defend their position. you post a article and label it disgusting but yet all you've done is berate anyone who has a contradictory opinion.
Message edited by author 2014-09-03 10:08:29. |
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09/03/2014 11:45:39 AM · #78 |
Originally posted by Nicht:
Girls who look at magazines and get depressed weren't brought up with enough self-confidence. |
Seriously? You blame the PARENTS? When the entire CULTURE is stacked in favor of unrealistic expectations dumped on little girls from the very beginning? I could show you families, from my own personal experience, where only one of several daughters, for whatever reason, fell prey to this *disease* that all of them, all girls, have to fight from the beginning. |
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09/03/2014 02:09:29 PM · #79 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Nicht:
Girls who look at magazines and get depressed weren't brought up with enough self-confidence. |
Seriously? You blame the PARENTS? When the entire CULTURE is stacked in favor of unrealistic expectations dumped on little girls from the very beginning? I could show you families, from my own personal experience, where only one of several daughters, for whatever reason, fell prey to this *disease* that all of them, all girls, have to fight from the beginning. |
I remember magazine covers before PhotoShop and excessive retouching was invented, and at least on cheesy mags like Tiger Beat, 17 and the like you could actually see the occasional zit and wrinkles around the eyes on the idols of the day. They looked real.
Nowadays whenever I see mags like Teen People, the waxy and frozen expression, coupled with perfect skin and teeth of the celebs - teenagers and 20-somethings - my blood runs cold. That's what the readers of those magazines are exposed to. And they're kids. So glad I'm not one of them now. |
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09/03/2014 02:13:52 PM · #80 |
Originally posted by snaffles:
I remember magazine covers before PhotoShop and excessive retouching was invented, and at least on cheesy mags like Tiger Beat, 17 and the like you could actually see the occasional zit and wrinkles around the eyes on the idols of the day. They looked real.
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and surprisingly anorexia and eating disorders were around back then.
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09/03/2014 02:51:10 PM · #81 |
Originally posted by snaffles:
I remember magazine covers before PhotoShop and excessive retouching was invented, and at least on cheesy mags like Tiger Beat, 17 and the like you could actually see the occasional zit and wrinkles around the eyes on the idols of the day. They looked real.
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I remember back then I was all the time rubbing Crisco on my face to get more zits and look like the stars on Tiger Beat. |
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09/03/2014 03:11:34 PM · #82 |
We have journalists being beheaded by ISIS, are actively ruining the environment, and have a selection of about 600 things that I find far more worthy of my concern....
Frankly I'm more concerred about the use of paper and the fuel used in shipping that trash. |
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09/03/2014 03:13:14 PM · #83 |
Originally posted by Cory:
We have journalists being beheaded by ISIS, are actively ruining the environment, and have a selection of about 600 things that I find far more worthy of my concern....
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it affects so many young WHITE women though.. |
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09/03/2014 07:19:06 PM · #84 |
Originally posted by Mike:
Originally posted by snaffles:
I remember magazine covers before PhotoShop and excessive retouching was invented, and at least on cheesy mags like Tiger Beat, 17 and the like you could actually see the occasional zit and wrinkles around the eyes on the idols of the day. They looked real.
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and surprisingly anorexia and eating disorders were around back then. |
Yeah duh and surprisingly, the 'thin-is-beautiful' ideal existed for years and years before that. Twiggy was tiny, all skin and bones; Veruschka, though 6'2 or more, supposedly weighed only 120lbs in her prime.
And *surprise!!!* this ideal applied ONLY to young women back in the day. It wasn't til the 'heroin-junkie' era of the late 80s and early 90s that apparently men were also supposed to be anorexic waifs.
Hell I was a model with an agency in Ottawa. I was told, as a 20-yr-old, that at 5'10 and 134 lbs, I had to lose 6 lbs. Of what? I asked. Cause that 134 lbs was not flab by any means. I was biking miles to work every day, ate healthily etc. Yet apparently my 36-in hips were *too BIG* and had to be whittled down to an unrealistic 34 inches. They never explained HOW I was supposed to lose that 2 inches off an already very lean body.
And guess what, Mike? I have a portfolio of unretouched, sftc images. Wonder what you would do with them. |
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09/03/2014 08:51:33 PM · #85 |
Originally posted by snaffles:
Originally posted by Mike:
Originally posted by snaffles:
I remember magazine covers before PhotoShop and excessive retouching was invented, and at least on cheesy mags like Tiger Beat, 17 and the like you could actually see the occasional zit and wrinkles around the eyes on the idols of the day. They looked real.
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and surprisingly anorexia and eating disorders were around back then. |
Yeah duh and surprisingly, the 'thin-is-beautiful' ideal existed for years and years before that. Twiggy was tiny, all skin and bones; Veruschka, though 6'2 or more, supposedly weighed only 120lbs in her prime.
And *surprise!!!* this ideal applied ONLY to young women back in the day. It wasn't til the 'heroin-junkie' era of the late 80s and early 90s that apparently men were also supposed to be anorexic waifs.
Hell I was a model with an agency in Ottawa. I was told, as a 20-yr-old, that at 5'10 and 134 lbs, I had to lose 6 lbs. Of what? I asked. Cause that 134 lbs was not flab by any means. I was biking miles to work every day, ate healthily etc. Yet apparently my 36-in hips were *too BIG* and had to be whittled down to an unrealistic 34 inches. They never explained HOW I was supposed to lose that 2 inches off an already very lean body.
And guess what, Mike? I have a portfolio of unretouched, sftc images. Wonder what you would do with them. |
That's the point, why is everyone blaming photoshop or the retouches ability to retouch, this isn't some new trend. its was joked earlier but now everyone can be a model, unless you do runway you really don't need to fit the classic body mold.
is it bad for society? who knows, it's all subjective. |
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09/04/2014 05:43:47 AM · #86 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Nicht:
Girls who look at magazines and get depressed weren't brought up with enough self-confidence. |
Seriously? You blame the PARENTS? When the entire CULTURE is stacked in favor of unrealistic expectations dumped on little girls from the very beginning? I could show you families, from my own personal experience, where only one of several daughters, for whatever reason, fell prey to this *disease* that all of them, all girls, have to fight from the beginning. |
No - I didn't say parents. I don't want to type a long post, but basically the culture a person is brought up in makes the bigger difference. Where I live the culture brings out a higher average self-confidence even though the media conveys unrealistic expectations. Here it's usually broken homes, father or mother not around, etc. where the middle- and upper-class children grow up with less self-confidence. The culture is upheld by family and extended family, and thus generally friends. Because of this culture, if parents bring up their children with good values, the children make the right friends. It's a winning formula (to put it into a short sentence). |
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09/04/2014 07:31:49 AM · #87 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Nicht:
Girls who look at magazines and get depressed weren't brought up with enough self-confidence. |
Seriously? You blame the PARENTS? When the entire CULTURE is stacked in favor of unrealistic expectations dumped on little girls from the very beginning? I could show you families, from my own personal experience, where only one of several daughters, for whatever reason, fell prey to this *disease* that all of them, all girls, have to fight from the beginning. |
how is any different than alcohol?
i could make the same argument that one out of many siblings will fall victim to alcoholism. Is alcohol any different in how it is presented in society? its all around and everywhere you go. i dont see anyone advocating these days that we ban alcohol.
how about violence on tv and viodeogames? a correlation is always trying to be made between violent acts and videogames and the proposed evidence just never seems to stick.
my "highly rational" brain tells me that some people have addiction problems and have problems differentiating reality from fantasy and no matter how much we cater society to ease their burden its going to exist.
Message edited by author 2014-09-04 07:32:42. |
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09/04/2014 07:36:42 AM · #88 |
Originally posted by Mike:
how is any different than alcohol?
i could make the same argument that one out of many siblings will fall victim to alcoholism. Is alcohol any different in how it is presented in society? its all around and everywhere you go. i dont see anyone advocating these days that we ban alcohol. |
Nobody's suggesting we "ban" photoshopping. Rather, that we work towards cultural values that are more realistic about body image. Which is, in fact, beginning to happen. NIcht is correct in his response: stronger cultural values build healthier children, adolescents, and adults. |
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09/04/2014 08:47:34 AM · #89 |
As an aside, one of my client's daughters recently took a modelling course and is now on their headsheet. I saw her comp card and at 15, she already has exactly the same measurements I had at 20 (though she's 5'8). When I saw her mum I asked if the agency was making any demands on her to lose weight.
Thankfully, she said no, seemed a little surprised - but not offended - that I had asked. Her daughters all play competitive hockey and soccer. To put things in context I explained my own past experiences, and told her I was glad that they weren't making those kinds of demands anymore.
ETA: Hey does anyone else remember the first or one of the first big *scandals* involving PS? It was a fashion mag spread on Michelle Pfeiffer. They smoothed out a few wrinkles and *gasp* cloned out some stray strands of hair on the red dress she was wearing!! OMG!! Nowadays of course that's PhotoShop lite.
Message edited by author 2014-09-04 08:49:46. |
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09/04/2014 09:33:46 AM · #90 |
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classic body mold.
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i have some of that |
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09/04/2014 11:04:21 AM · #91 |
Originally posted by Tiny:
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classic body mold.
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i have some of that [/quote]
At least you don't have body mushrooms... |
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09/04/2014 11:52:21 AM · #92 |
In the interest of fair play here,
perhaps we should discuss the body beautiful of the male of the species. |
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09/04/2014 11:54:01 AM · #93 |
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09/04/2014 11:57:55 AM · #94 |
Originally posted by Tiny:
we are |
moldy body mushrooms? |
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09/04/2014 12:13:13 PM · #95 |
Originally posted by sfalice:
In the interest of fair play here,
perhaps we should discuss the body beautiful of the male of the species. |
Are we talking steroids or photoshop? |
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09/04/2014 12:27:08 PM · #96 |
Originally posted by nygold:
Originally posted by sfalice:
In the interest of fair play here,
perhaps we should discuss the body beautiful of the male of the species. |
Are we talking steroids or photoshop? |
We're photoshopping to certain standards of beauty.
Above are some of the standards of recognized beauty.
(or so it seems) |
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09/04/2014 12:37:24 PM · #97 |
Originally posted by sfalice:
Originally posted by nygold:
Originally posted by sfalice:
In the interest of fair play here,
perhaps we should discuss the body beautiful of the male of the species. |
Are we talking steroids or photoshop? |
We're photoshopping to certain standards of beauty.
Above are some of the standards of recognized beauty.
(or so it seems) |
Exactly and the standards are different for EVERYONE.
So one person shouldn't be upset with another persons "Standard of beauty". |
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09/04/2014 01:39:59 PM · #98 |
Originally posted by nygold:
Originally posted by sfalice:
Originally posted by nygold:
Originally posted by sfalice:
In the interest of fair play here,
perhaps we should discuss the body beautiful of the male of the species. |
Are we talking steroids or photoshop? |
We're photoshopping to certain standards of beauty.
Above are some of the standards of recognized beauty.
(or so it seems) |
Exactly and the standards are different for EVERYONE.
So one person shouldn't be upset with another persons "Standard of beauty". |
Heavens no, as long as one person doesn't try to persuade other folks of said standards.
This conversation was getting a bit one-sided discussing only those attributes some found beautiful in females.
Seems like time to discuss the attributes assigned to the male of the species...if only to be even handed, here.
And correctable in Photoshop.
Message edited by author 2014-09-04 13:40:41. |
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09/04/2014 01:46:39 PM · #99 |
Originally posted by sfalice:
Seems like time to discuss the attributes assigned to the male of the species... correctable in Photoshop. |
So Adobe is plotting to put Viagra out of business ...? |
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09/04/2014 02:33:10 PM · #100 |
Originally posted by nygold:
Originally posted by sfalice:
In the interest of fair play here,
perhaps we should discuss the body beautiful of the male of the species. |
Are we talking steroids or photoshop? |
this raises an interesting point. in sports we can all agree that steroids were common place, now not so much. taking baseball as an example, baseball was extremely exciting to watch when guys were hitting these bombs however since its been cleaned up its become boring. the level was raised so high, to the casual fan its not exciting any longer and i fear the same thing will happen with the NFL.
the question is if you stop making people look perfect, sure society and morale will think its great but will it have some other effect we arent happy with? society eats what we are fed and we crave it to an extreme but isn't that what we want?
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