strange colours out of Camera Raw

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

07/16/2014 11:58:39 PM · #1

I recently started using photoshop CC, and immediately noticed an issue when opening an image out of camera raw into photoshop. Once I click "open", the image becomes washed out and faded. the colours look completely different. My conversion settings are the same as they have always been...opening in 16 bit using the Adobe RGB colour profile (I even tried opening it with different colour profiles, like SRGB, to see if that made a difference. it didn't).

Here is a link to a sample image

On the right is what the image looked like in camera raw. on the left is what it looks like as soon as it opens up in photoshop. any ideas on what might be causing this? never happened to me before in any photoshop version...

scalvert

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

07/17/2014 12:13:22 AM · #2

Open it in 8 bit and see what happens.

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

07/17/2014 12:17:06 AM · #3

same issue, no change

scalvert

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

07/17/2014 12:22:37 AM · #4

Then it's probably a profile issue. If you have Photoshop set to proof colors in sRGB and open an AdobeRGB image, you'll get that lighter washed out view.

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

07/17/2014 12:25:22 AM · #5

Originally posted by scalvert:

Then it's probably a profile issue. If you have Photoshop set to proof colors in sRGB and open an AdobeRGB image, you'll get that lighter washed out view.

how can i tell what photoshop is viewing it in? FYI, when i go to edit-convert profile it says "source space: adobe 1998". and when i go to edit-assign profile it says "working: adobe 1998".

wouldn't this mean photoshop is proofing it in 1998, the same profile i output it as?

and just for kicks, when i do convert from 1998 to 1998, or assign from 1998 to 1998 nothing happens...

Message edited by author 2014-07-17 00:26:20.

scalvert

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

07/17/2014 12:57:06 AM · #6

Your profile preview options are over in the View menu. Put your Proof Setup on Internet Standard RGB, turn on Proof Colors and convert the image from AdobeRGB to sRGB. It'll probably match what you saw in RAW, and more importantly it'll match what most of DPC sees when you upload it.

Message edited by author 2014-07-17 00:57:23.

armando_m

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-85mm f/3.5-4.5G ED VR

07/17/2014 09:05:19 AM · #7

Whatever setting are you using in the camera "Standard" " neutral" "vivid" has to match in ACR so the colors are similar
When opened in PS you find this under Camera calibration / Camera profile

07/17/2014 09:21:57 AM · #8

thanks, will try these ideas when I get home

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

07/20/2014 05:00:34 PM · #9

so, got a chance to try this out:

Shannon- those steps didn't do anything. the picture just got more faded when I set it to sRGB and then turned proof colours on, then going to convert to profile and then converting it to sRGB led to no further colour changes.

Armando- Where can I find camera callibration/camera profile in photoshop? Is it under the Edit Menu? The File Menu?

Message edited by author 2014-07-20 17:00:51.

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

07/20/2014 05:21:49 PM · #10

Originally posted by LanndonKane:

Armando- Where can I find camera callibration/camera profile in photoshop? Is it under the Edit Menu? The File Menu?

The profile's applied in Camera Raw (ACR), not in Photoshop itself. You can find out more here.

This is actually a very powerful tool: it stores all the presets your camera has embedded, and you can use the tool to create a custom profile that suits you as well. Find the profile you want to use most often, and save it as the new camera Raw Default setting, and everything you open in Camera Raw will use that preset.

Adobe has a HUGE, searchable database which is an excellent first line of attack for all Photoshop-related questions.

Message edited by author 2014-07-20 17:27:50.

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

07/21/2014 06:47:14 PM · #11

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by LanndonKane:
Armando- Where can I find camera callibration/camera profile in photoshop? Is it under the Edit Menu? The File Menu?

The profile's applied in Camera Raw (ACR), not in Photoshop itself. You can find out more here.

This is actually a very powerful tool: it stores all the presets your camera has embedded, and you can use the tool to create a custom profile that suits you as well. Find the profile you want to use most often, and save it as the new camera Raw Default setting, and everything you open in Camera Raw will use that preset.

Adobe has a HUGE, searchable database which is an excellent first line of attack for all Photoshop-related questions.

Thanks for this, but I don't think this is the problem. Some very strange things happening that are blowing my mind.

First of all, I was able to get photoshop and camera raw to line up by clicking the checkmark in photoshop (under edit-color settings) that says "compensate for scene referred profiles". I have not seen this option before, and I don't know if it's a satisfactory fix in the long run- but it at least lets me see in photoshop what I see in camera raw before I export it.

However, in the past, I used to be able to "save for web" right on an image that I've been working on, and have it encode the saved-for-web jpeg with the same colours that I saw in photoshop. Now when I click save for web in photoshop, the preview gives me completely different colours...

Another, more concerning problem. I have been opening PSD's that I edited on the same computer/monitor that I have the new version of photoshop. However, the PSD's have completely different colors than what they showed when i originally edited/saved them, and I have no idea how to get them to show those colours again. I'm pretty sure i've played with every single colour profile and colour setting in photoshop, but I just can't get it.

Any ideas? I'm not great at this colour profile stuff, admittedly, but i am soooo lost.

Message edited by author 2014-07-21 18:47:53.

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

07/21/2014 07:01:00 PM · #12

Originally posted by LanndonKane:

Any ideas? I'm not great at this colour profile stuff, admittedly, but i am soooo lost.

It's time to be asking this question over in the Adobe forums. If you're not registered with Adobe, it's time to be. Costs nothing. Their user-base will have SOMEBODY who knows the answer to this, even if you haven't been able to drill it out of the Adobe Knowledge Base, which is intimidatingly huge.

07/21/2014 07:01:31 PM · #13

by the way, don't know if this helps, but the closest i can get to the original colours is by setting "proof setup" to "monitor rgb", and then turning on proof colours. it's close, but the colors are still pretty off from what they were supposed to be.

Sigma 24-70mm f/2.8 IF EX DG HSM for Canon

07/21/2014 07:04:38 PM · #14

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by LanndonKane:
Any ideas? I'm not great at this colour profile stuff, admittedly, but i am soooo lost.

It's time to be asking this question over in the Adobe forums. If you're not registered with Adobe, it's time to be. Costs nothing. Their user-base will have SOMEBODY who knows the answer to this, even if you haven't been able to drill it out of the Adobe Knowledge Base, which is intimidatingly huge.

k.

Unless it's a violation of the forum policies, i'll be hitting up both forums until I get an answer. Otherwise feel free to lock the thread.

coronamv

Canon EOS-350D Rebel XT

07/21/2014 08:42:18 PM · #15

Have you tried opening the raw file or files in question in another program other than CC? A few that will work if you are using windows 7 or 8 download the raw pluggin and you can view it using the old windows picture viewer. Picasa will let you view raw file. In fact there are quite a few free programs. This would be my test point and then if they appear fine in other software you have an issue with CC. Hope this helps

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

07/21/2014 08:48:49 PM · #16

Originally posted by coronamv:

interesting idea! The problem more lies in "photoshop's camera raw looks different when i open it in photoshop", vs. "photoshop's camera raw colours look weird", because raw files don't really have any inherent colour qualities (that is, it's mostly dependant on the kind of raw processor you're using). if i just open it up in Picasa, I don't think i'd be able to get any information.

That said, im almost certain it is a photoshop issue causing the problem, because the colour problems are happening to any image I bring into photoshop, raw or not.

Neil

Fujifilm X-T30

07/21/2014 09:13:38 PM · #17

Originally posted by LanndonKane:

Color variation always drives me crazy.

But to proof colors, my understanding is that you NEED to set it to the display device. So in this case, you need to set it to Monitor RGB. It doesn't matter what the source is. It's just so that it shows you the right colors.

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

07/21/2014 09:25:01 PM · #18

Originally posted by Neil:

Originally posted by LanndonKane:
by the way, don't know if this helps, but the closest i can get to the original colours is by setting "proof setup" to "monitor rgb", and then turning on proof colours. it's close, but the colors are still pretty off from what they were supposed to be.

Color variation always drives me crazy.

But to proof colors, my understanding is that you NEED to set it to the display device. So in this case, you need to set it to Monitor RGB. It doesn't matter what the source is. It's just so that it shows you the right colors.

When I set it to the colour profile monitor RGB (not in proof colours, but in colour settings--i read in a few places that you shouldnt touch proof colours because it just gives an approximation), the document that I previously edited (which was in adobe rgb, i guess) doesn't change. However, if I close it and open it, photoshop will give me a warning that the previously embedded profile is now different, and asks me what to do. I click discard the embedded profile (to continue using monitor RGB), and then the colours of the document are CLOSE to what they were before, but still not exact. I can see that they're not exact because they don't match any of my dpchallenge or 500px uploads, and these uploads used to always match exactly what I saw inside photoshop (because save for web would work properly for me).

It is very strange.

Message edited by author 2014-07-21 21:27:48.

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

07/21/2014 11:21:39 PM · #19

Originally posted by LanndonKane:

Unless it's a violation of the forum policies, i'll be hitting up both forums until I get an answer. Otherwise feel free to lock the thread.

No, of course not. Continue to ask away wherever you wish. I just thought maybe Adobe Forums would be a very likely place to find your answer, worth exploring. Soldier on :-)

Sigma 12-24mm f/4.5-5.6 EX Aspherical DG HSM for Nikon

07/21/2014 11:44:38 PM · #20

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by LanndonKane:
Unless it's a violation of the forum policies, i'll be hitting up both forums until I get an answer. Otherwise feel free to lock the thread.

No, of course not. Continue to ask away wherever you wish. I just thought maybe Adobe Forums would be a very likely place to find your answer, worth exploring. Soldier on :-)

heh, yeah I'll definitely ask at adobe. the people there struck me as pretty intimidatingly technical, but I'm sure they'll know what's up.

bohemka

Nikon D700

07/22/2014 12:11:44 AM · #21

I've got a similar problem, actually, so I'll be watching this space.

In my case, my NEFs import and look great in Lightroom until I select one for closer viewing, and then within a second or two it gets washed out. The only way to preserve the proper exposure is to copy as a DNG, and then it's fine. I don't get it and don't like it, but I haven't cracked it yet.

Sigma 12-24mm f/4.5-5.6 EX Aspherical DG HSM for Nikon

07/22/2014 12:44:36 AM · #22

Originally posted by bohemka:

do you have CC 2014?

bohemka

Nikon D700

07/22/2014 12:45:44 AM · #23

No, I'm still working with Lightroom 4.

armando_m

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-85mm f/3.5-4.5G ED VR

07/22/2014 09:21:25 AM · #24

Originally posted by bohemka:

Same thing happened to mee for some time,
read the link shared by Bear in the adobe web site

the Camera profile has to be set to the same one used in your camera, that is if you want the colors to appear similar to what you see in the camera , or jpg sooc

to do this in LR
go to develop
scroll down to Camera calibration , open it
in Profile it will likely be adobe standard, change it to camera standard/neutral/vivid/portrait/landscape whatever you used or you like better

a profile can be applied while importing it is described in the link shared by Bear

to do this in PS CC 2014
open the raw file with PS
it will show it in camera raw
below the histogram select the camera icon - Camera calibration
second field below is the profile
change it to whatever you used in the camera

when I open a TIF file or a PSD in PS CC and then open camera raw it will not show the field with camera profile
in LR it will say embedded profile but I still can change it

in my workflow I import into LR and open in PS only for additional editing