WELL, HOW IS PRESIDENT OBAMA DOING ?

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06/10/2014 01:44:25 PM · #26

Originally posted by cowboy221977:

Refusing to produce a birth certificate....

I hate to invoke the name if the Deity in vain, but are you STILL not aware that a perfectly valid, certified birth certificate has been "produced" one more than one occasion? Are you so out of touch with reality that you believe that the US governement, the State of Hawaii, government of Kenya, numerous doctors, nurses, teachers, parents, and just plain friends could all (successfully) conspire to hide the fact that Obamma was born in Kenya, despite no evidence supporting such a point of view? Why hasn't the Trumpster (rhymes with dumpster) produced a Kenyan birth certificate if he so sure that's where Obama was born? Talk about fruitless flailing of expired equines ... :-(

And if it's such a big deal to you, I seem to rememeber that the other choice in the last election definitely WAS born OUTSIDE the US ...

06/10/2014 01:46:10 PM · #27

Originally posted by cowboy221977:

1st off I was / am against the pullout of Iraq. I think that is a huge mistake that is going to encourage the Taliban etc. to rebuild stronger than before.

The Taliban was never in Iraq. That's Afghanistan, and the Iraq pullout allowed us to focus on them.

Originally posted by cowboy221977:

I was against all of the bailouts. This too big to fail thing was wrong. I was against the bank bailouts under bush and the car bailouts under Obama. It is not the govmts place to get involved in private business.

It is the government's place to prevent total economic collapse. Those bailouts turned a profit and saved literally millions of jobs.

Originally posted by cowboy221977:

Benghazi, IRS, NSA, Refusing to produce a birth certificate....the list goes on.

Three of those (arguably all four) were manufactured non-scandals that occured after November 2011, and the birth certificate thing is just your personal ignorance (the birth certificate was made public and verified by Republican officials).

Originally posted by cowboy221977:

OK and then there is OBAMACARE. An absolute fiasco. I have watched my insurance deductible triple and my premiums skyrocket.

Deductibles and premiums were skyrocketing for many years. The law was signed in March, 2010, and 2010-2012 marked the first time in over a decade that the U.S. economy grew faster than healthcare costs. They have since slowed to historically low rates, and the only part that isn't supported by a national majority is the individual mandate... which was added by Republicans.

Originally posted by cowboy221977:

On gun rights he fought to get an assault weapons ban (thankfully he lost)

Funny that you're now trying to complain about what he DIDN'T do. The only two gun laws Obama actually signed were measures to expand gun rights: allowing firearms in National parks and on Amtrak trains. Those are not the actions of an anti-gun president.

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06/10/2014 01:54:04 PM · #28

Originally posted by BrennanOB:

Fox News' coverage of Benghazi is one of the purest fabrications of disinformational propaganda since Goebbles left the job.

Yes, the Germmans of that era had a thorough grasp of the concept ...

Mike

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06/10/2014 01:54:36 PM · #29

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by Mike:
Nobody cares about Benghazi?

I'm more concerned about Iran-Contra ...

sort of the same thing.

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06/10/2014 01:55:53 PM · #30

Originally posted by Mike:

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by Mike:
Nobody cares about Benghazi?

I'm more concerned about Iran-Contra ...

sort of the same thing.

Then I guess we should laud Obama to the same degree as Reagan, eh?

Benghazi may have been a mistake, but it wasn't a direct attempt to circumvent the law and the Constitution like Iran-Contra.

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06/10/2014 02:32:26 PM · #31

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Benghazi may have been a mistake...

I've never quite understood how this is even a "scandal." It wasn't an embassy, the House had recently cut diplomatic security funding by $270 million, there was no stand down order given nor any way the military could have intervened, Stevens was viewed favorably by the locals, and the attack was repeatedly noted as an act of terrorism by the president within 24 hrs (before the details were even known). The bi-partisan committee formed to investigate immediately after the attack already concluded that the CIA talking points were flawed but a generally accurate reflection of the intelligence community's analysis of the atack at the time and that the incident "has been the subject of misinformed speculation and accusations long after the basic facts of the attacks have been determined."

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06/10/2014 02:49:47 PM · #32

Originally posted by scalvert:

The bi-partisan committee formed to investigate immediately after the attack already concluded ... that the incident "has been the subject of misinformed speculation and accusations long after the basic facts of the attacks have been determined."

Well, that's not stopping them from forming another committee, maybe to investigate the first committee?

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06/10/2014 03:04:58 PM · #33

Originally posted by BrennanOB:

I don't think it has to do with ADHD, it is a much older concept; "Familiarity breeds contempt".

Personally I am pissed that he hasn't been better, and things like making Tom Wheeler head of the FCC make me furious. For those who don't know him Wheeler worked as a venture capitalist and lobbyist for the cable and wireless industry before being appointed to watch over the public interest and protecting us from the very industry he has been so very well paid by. He is the man who will destroy net neutrality, and insure that profits are placed before the public good. And my "socialist" president put him in place to do it.

You've been watching John Oliver, haven't you? :) I watched that clip at least four times.

I used the term ADHD because our society has no appetite for letting things work over time. We panic and then vote for the next guy who promises to do the opposite of what we are doing. (The republicans are nearly certain to gain seats in both the House and Senate this election due to exactly this.) When the new guy's thing doesn't work we jump back onto the guy saying the original idea was the one to go with. To imagine that some problems may take a generation of consistent effort to work out is unfathomable.

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06/10/2014 03:13:07 PM · #34

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Well, that's not stopping them from forming another committee, maybe to investigate the first committee?

By my count there have been 10 investigations, review boards and House committees. Any questions have been long since answered, and none have revealed any evidence of a coverup or conspiracy. The big conclusion seems to be that the State Department should have provided more security to a non-Embassy mission despite the House cutting the security budget. This is further complicated by the fact that there is no official embassy or consulate in Benghazi, and we have no legal authority to provide security outside of those diplomatic grounds. That's the host country's responsibility, not the State Department.

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06/11/2014 10:31:34 AM · #35

Originally posted by GeneralE:

And if it's such a big deal to you, I seem to rememeber that the other choice in the last election definitely WAS born OUTSIDE the US ...

Just out of curiosity, since Senator Cruz was born in Canada and taking into consideration the fact that the term â��natural bornâ�� citizen is not defined in the Constitution" is it conceivable that he might not be able to run for Presidential office.

Just curious...

Ray

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06/11/2014 11:15:21 AM · #36

Ray, just curious , what do you think "natural born means in this case? You know, what would anyone with a brain and speaking English would know?

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06/11/2014 11:37:39 AM · #37

Presumably "natural born citizen" means "became a citizen by right of (or at the moment of) birth. IN which case Ted Cruz in a natural born citizen of these great United States...

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06/11/2014 12:25:06 PM · #38

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Presumably "natural born citizen" means "became a citizen by right of (or at the moment of) birth. IN which case Ted Cruz in a natural born citizen of these great United States...

The point is, he was born in Canada but was still an American citizen because he was born to an American mother, just as Obama was regardless of where he was born. So what is the difference? Why the whole birth certificate nonsense in the first place?

06/11/2014 12:49:50 PM · #39

Originally posted by Kelli:

The point is, he was born in Canada but was still an American citizen because he was born to an American mother, just as Obama was regardless of where he was born.

That, and the simple fact that Obama's mother had never been outside the U.S. at the time of his birth, makes this whole business an exercise in abject stupidity.

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06/11/2014 01:03:32 PM · #40

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by Kelli:
The point is, he was born in Canada but was still an American citizen because he was born to an American mother, just as Obama was regardless of where he was born.

That, and the simple fact that Obama's mother had never been outside the U.S. at the time of his birth ...

Oooo ... what if she hired some African coyote" to sneak her into Kenya just for the superior prenatal care!

Originally posted by scalvert:

... this whole business an exercise in abject stupidity.

I think it's an exercise in "marketing" techniques ...

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06/11/2014 01:20:33 PM · #41

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by scalvert:
... this whole business an exercise in abject stupidity.

I think it's an exercise in "marketing" techniques ...

I was referring specifically to the target audience, not the marketers. The same goes for ads in Popular Science that promote a device to change water bond angles and sales pitches for the benefits of magnetic bracelets or gluten-free pet food. It's amazing that people can get away with that.

06/11/2014 03:05:14 PM · #42

Originally posted by David Ey:

Ray, just curious , what do you think "natural born means in this case? You know, what would anyone with a brain and speaking English would know?

Considering that the matter has yet to be addressed in the Constitution the best one could do is hazard a guess. The fact that one of your parents is American does not necessarily translate into meaning you are an American citizen.

Take the time to familiarize yourself with what is referred to as "Dual Nationals" and then come back and preach to me.

It could very well be that someone might take Mr. Cruz to task over the fact that he was born in Canada and if that does occur then I would assume that the Supreme Court would be the legal entity that would render a decision in the matter.

Mind you, since you are seemingly so learned and an erudite expert on Constitutional matters then perhaps the SC could defer to your authority.

Ray

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06/11/2014 03:06:37 PM · #43

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Presumably "natural born citizen" means "became a citizen by right of (or at the moment of) birth. IN which case Ted Cruz in a natural born citizen of these great United States...

... and I would not be so quick to adopt that concept. If it were dealt with in the Constitution OK... but it's not and that is specifically why I asked the question.

It must be borne in mind that only one of his parents was American and unless I am very much mistaken, I believe that one has to be born of American parents as shown Here... notice that the it does say "parents and makes no mention of only one parent...and that might be a difference to consider. Legal cases have been argued successfully for simple things like this and I would wager that this could be something that the courts will ultimately have to decide.

In a similar vane, I am almost positive that there are countries where one cannot renounce their citizenship... what does one do then?

Ray

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06/11/2014 07:04:38 PM · #44

It is certainly an interesting question. and the line seems to move depending on who the conversation is about. Obama is the 7th president with one or more foreign born parents, but the Supreme Court, after citing many, many precedents, ultimately decided in US v. WONG KIM ARK (1898) that the 14th Amendment guaranteed citizenship to all persons born in the United States, regardless of their ethnic heritage.

Being born abroad to American parents has not been a bar; George Romney (Mitt's dad) was born in Mexico and was allowed to run for the Republican nomination in 1968. However the fact that foreign born candidates have been allowed to run in the past does not mean that the concept has passed judicial muster, and it is a certainly that all those who buy the "Birther" argument would be opposed to allowing Ted Cruz to be president, right? I mean otherwise it would just be a smokescreen to mask an unjustified hatred of Obama.

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06/11/2014 07:16:26 PM · #45

Originally posted by BrennanOB:

Obama is the 7th president with one or more foreign born parents ...

Does that count the first several, none of whomm was born in (or had parents from) the "United States of America" ...?

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06/11/2014 07:35:04 PM · #46

Hoover, Wilson, Buchanan, Arthur, Jackson, Jefferson and Obama are the presidents who's parents were born in other countries. Those whose parents were born in the US before the US existed were not viewed as possibly having allegiance to another country, so they didn't make the list.

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08/13/2014 08:15:52 AM · #47

Man this president cant take responsibility for anything. He is just like a 5 year old caught with his hand in the cookie jar and still claims he didn't do it.

Im referring to the fact that he is trying to blame Bush for pulling out of Iraq. It was even one of his campaign promises to pull out of Iraq.

This man is absolutely a laughing stock....The only prob is its not funny.

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08/13/2014 01:34:48 PM · #48

Originally posted by cowboy221977:

Im referring to the fact that he is trying to blame Bush for pulling out of Iraq. It was even one of his campaign promises to pull out of Iraq.

You quibble with the FACT that the agreement to pull out of Iraq was enacted under the Bush administration? Pledging to not negate a previously-made agreement and then following-through on that "campaign promise" seems ethical enough to me ...

08/13/2014 05:16:34 PM · #49

Originally posted by cowboy221977:

Good grief... you do of course realize that the decision to pull out of Iraq was made by BUSH... right?

I am convinced that if the moon fell out of the sky tonight some of you folks would find a way to blame Obama for that too.

Ray