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 05/15/2014 05:07:41 AM · #26
You done a very good job and I am appreciating your work.
 05/15/2014 07:34:56 AM · #27
When it comes to commenting feel there should be a button to press or a box to check for the person when submitting their image that says "Are you willing to have your image critiqued by the voter"?
If the person DOES NOT check the box then you CAN NOT comment on their image, if they do check the box then comment as you wish.

While I enjoy the comments as much as anyone sometimes they are just aggravating.
I remember getting comments more than once that suggested something that would have been against the rules.
I also don't want to get my nose snapped off by giving an honest critique.

We need the button so if there is a backlash or a nasty P.M. we can just say "DON'T CLICK THE CRITIQUE BUTTON".
It's just a little protection for the commenter that's all.
 05/15/2014 08:16:18 AM · #28
Playing off of what nygold has said, I believe that comments should be mandatory when voting at a certain level, particularly when tossing 1's and 2's around. If a photo is that "bad" then the person should have to justify it with something other than "I really hate this". Granted, there are some truly bad photos. But when photos are clearly well lit, composed, shot and post-processed, there's no reason anyone should be tossing scores like that around other than to knock others' scores down in hopes of promoting their own shots.

I mean, I don't care about the "competition" aspect of it. I came here for the challenge of shooting to a subject and the hope of an honest evaluation. I can take criticism, and if you think my photo(s) is that bad then I'd really like to understand why. At present I can't seem to find any real explanation of what the numbers mean. Obviously it's not graded the same way schoolwork is graded, with 70 being passing, otherwise most of us are failing as photographers. So it would seem that 5-ish represents the, "It's OK. Nice shot - nothing special", and we're supposed to go up and down from there. Or am I missing something?

Anyway, if we're making requests here, I'll tack mine onto nygold's and say that commenting and critques should be mandatory when posting scores at the extremes - or at least at the extreme lows. If it sucks, tell them why and what they could have done to make it better.
 05/15/2014 08:27:17 AM · #29
backdoorhippie Voting was like that, whenever a person votes (irrespective whether took part in the challenge or not)and gives voting 3 or less then had to provide comments on why low voting. I believe it was there about 1.5 years back then pulled it out, not sure the reason.
 05/15/2014 08:28:10 AM · #30
Originally posted by nygold:
When it comes to commenting feel there should be a button to press or a box to check for the person when submitting their image that says "Are you willing to have your image critiqued by the voter"?
If the person DOES NOT check the box then you CAN NOT comment on their image, if they do check the box then comment as you wish.

While I enjoy the comments as much as anyone sometimes they are just aggravating.
I remember getting comments more than once that suggested something that would have been against the rules.
I also don't want to get my nose snapped off by giving an honest critique.

We need the button so if there is a backlash or a nasty P.M. we can just say "DON'T CLICK THE CRITIQUE BUTTON".
It's just a little protection for the commenter that's all.


+20!!!

I am still a newbie and I just got comfy in voting for everything, now I am stepping up to commenting on everything as well.
I want the voters to know when I choose my vote hey your picture is great or it was meh, but this is why it wasn't high or low or visa versa.. I am also trying to learn "how" to comment without being insulting..like oh, my picture was "meant" to be taken like that.. LOL I am trying to learn how to do deal with those photos because sometimes I think they were taken that way on purpose. By the way, if I comment on your pictures and you do not like my comments, you are gonna have to mentor me on how to say things! I am trying to learn this part of things, I am willing to learn. I just want tell you how I see things with my eyes what works or don't for me.. I know we have our own styles too so I make sure my voting doesn't go against that either. :-))

I am very nervous in commenting at the moment especially now, because I am not sure on how my comments will be taken because I am such a newbie learning myself on a lot of things but I am learning more each day and loving it.

I also believe anything less than a 3 needs commenting as well as anything 9-10's.. Why are they so bad or so good.

Message edited by author 2014-05-15 08:30:42.
 05/15/2014 08:33:20 AM · #31
I don't believe in a forced comment if I feel like giving a 2 then that's that.

If the challenge is cars and you submit a boat do I really need to explain my low vote?
Honestly I don't always have the time to comment, so if I had to comment on a low score I would just give them a 4.
I'm sure that's what most people would do to avoid commenting on a low vote.
 05/15/2014 08:38:45 AM · #32
If a person wants an honest (negative) critique they should ask for it, I shouldn't assume they want one.
I wouldn't walk into a gallery and start telling the artist why I didn't like his/her work.
We need a check box. [O]<----Check here for honest critique.
 05/15/2014 08:58:20 AM · #33
Originally posted by nygold:
If a person wants an honest (negative) critique they should ask for it, I shouldn't assume they want one.
I wouldn't walk into a gallery and start telling the artist why I didn't like his/her work.
We need a check box. [O]<----Check here for honest critique.


Just sign up for critique club, if you check that box be prepared for an honest critique from me, i usually go in spurts, speaking of which, its about time to do some ...
 05/15/2014 09:08:12 AM · #34
Mike it's not about the critique club (which doesn't always get around to critiquing) it's about protecting the commenter.

BUT can the voters see if the person has clicked the critique club button? If so it would show they were open for an honest critique.

I'm willing to bet the nasty pm's would be almost extinct if we had a check box.

I'm also willing to bet as a member of the critique club you wouldn't dare give a full, open, honest critique unless you were asked to give one. Which is fine. If people what an honest and sometimes(negative) critique it should be asked for not forced upon them.
 05/15/2014 09:18:19 AM · #35
Originally posted by nygold:


I'm also willing to bet as a member of the critique club you wouldn't dare give a full, open, honest critique unless you were asked to give one. Which is fine. If people what an honest and sometimes(negative) critique it should be asked for not forced upon them.


you dont know me very well :) i've given my share of open honest critiques. i really dont give a crap if i get a nasty PM. critiquing helps me and the photographer, its mutual thats why i do it. it makes me realize what i like or dont like so i can possibly remember what to do or not to do later.

FWIW i think a lot of people don't know how to articulate their thoughts properly and it gets misconstrued and thus not received properly. I'll admit i fall into this crowd and its another reason i like critiquing is it helps me to articulate my thoughts better.

Message edited by author 2014-05-15 09:19:12.
 05/15/2014 09:20:01 AM · #36
Alright, this brings up another question for me..

There are some really good points being made..
So with the comments, what is expected from us commentators (right now) because I would like to learn. How do we know if someone really wants to know what we think.. makes me second guess myself for ever thinking I should comment on each picture LOL

For the honest critiques of what works/don't what are we supposed to say.
Yes your photo is awesome
No its not, I don't like it>

I know I have an issue with words myself, knowing how to say something correctly

This is confusing me just a bit

Having that check box would be awesome and would save a lot of headache whether or not someone wants feedback..
Is this a learning site or just a place to put pretty pictures to try get a virtual ribbon?
If people want good votes and nothing, I am ok with just doing that too. :-))

I feel I am trying to take the next step in my learning and my curve going.

Message edited by author 2014-05-15 09:25:36.
 05/15/2014 09:26:38 AM · #37
if you are concerned sign up for critique club, there are more than enough images to keep us all busy. every image that shows up is specifically marked that they want a critique.

if you arent afraid of nasty pms, go at it in the challenges. otherwise just blow smoke up everyone butt becuase a lot of people just want their egos stroked.

Message edited by author 2014-05-15 09:27:25.
 05/15/2014 09:34:13 AM · #38
I Don't have the experience to do really good critiques yet for that club or the words to use for them.. I am still learning my basics of composition, lighting, shadowing and especially how to post process correctly...and I just learned the rule of thirds the other day.. LOL.. That would be something though I would be interested in when I grow up a bit in my learning.
05/15/2014 09:34:26 AM · #39
Originally posted by Mike:
Originally posted by nygold:


I'm also willing to bet as a member of the critique club you wouldn't dare give a full, open, honest critique unless you were asked to give one. Which is fine. If people what an honest and sometimes(negative) critique it should be asked for not forced upon them.


you dont know me very well :) i've given my share of open honest critiques. i really dont give a crap if i get a nasty PM. critiquing helps me and the photographer, its mutual thats why i do it. it makes me realize what i like or dont like so i can possibly remember what to do or not to do later.

FWIW i think a lot of people don't know how to articulate their thoughts properly and it gets misconstrued and thus not received properly. I'll admit i fall into this crowd and its another reason i like critiquing is it helps me to articulate my thoughts better.


Fair enough Mike it makes sense to me.

I still feel there should be a way for the person commenting to know whether or not the person that submitted the image is open for an honest critique. I'm sure a check box isn't that hard to make.
 05/15/2014 09:59:09 AM · #40
We already have that check box, wouldn't it be a matter of un-hiding that so that way everyone can see it instead of just the critique club?

I still would love a forced comment on 1s though

Message edited by author 2014-05-15 10:00:19.
 05/15/2014 10:03:01 AM · #41
My assumption is that everyone who enters a challenge with the possibility of getting comments is asking for them.
If you make negative comments, or attack the photographer (intentional or otherwise), why are you surprised if you get flamed? Put on the asbestos undies and go for it.
Perhaps you can learn how to offer constructive criticism without enraging the person behind the photo. But you won't learn unless you try.
Some suggestions on comments:
NEVER imply that the photographer did something wrong (regardless of whether or not they did), especially implying that they did not put an effort into the shot. Avoid "you" in your comments.
ALWAYS focus on the picture - many find your first emotional response to the entry interesting. Too centered, might look better with a tighter crop, etc. What looks right. What distracts. Your comment should be your opinion and impression of the photo - hard to argue with or be offended by.
TRY to balance - in almost every shot, there is something to like. Mention it.
REMEMBER - the entry is the photographer's baby, and they (probably) love it, regardless of its flaws.
05/15/2014 10:03:59 AM · #42
Originally posted by jgirl57:
We already have that check box, wouldn't it be a matter of un-hiding that so that way everyone can see it instead of just the critique club?
<-----I agree with this.

[/quote]I still would love a forced comment on 1s though [/quote]<---I can't agree with this.
 05/15/2014 10:12:31 AM · #43
Originally posted by dtremain:
My assumption is that everyone who enters a challenge with the possibility of getting comments is asking for them.


Funny David my assumption is the opposite, not every image is submitted to win a ribbon or to be critiqued sometimes you have a shot that fits the challenge and you enter it. Sometimes your on vacation or away without your camera and you take a shot with your phone and enter it.
When a person submits an image he or she doesn't have the option for others to comment or not it's just set up that way.

A simple check box or button takes care of this whole problem.
 05/15/2014 10:33:13 AM · #44
the way i see it, you sign up for this site and enter photos knowing full well that anyone who votes can comment.

the commenter needs to check themself too. if the purpose of the comment is to express your distaste without articulating why, then its out of line simply because the commenter intended to offend.. good comments are well received because the image moved the veiwer enough to comment favorably and its appreciated where as if it moved you enough to comment negatively and you cant express properly why, how do you expect the photographer to understand why you don't like it and not possibly get offended?
 05/15/2014 10:44:41 AM · #45
Originally posted by Mike:
the way i see it, you sign up for this site and enter photos knowing full well that anyone who votes can comment.

the commenter needs to check themself too. if the purpose of the comment is to express your distaste without articulating why, then its out of line simply because the commenter intended to offend.. good comments are well received because the image moved the veiwer enough to comment favorably and its appreciated where as if it moved you enough to comment negatively and you cant express properly why, how do you expect the photographer to understand why you don't like it and not possibly get offended?


Right on, and just because I have eyes in my head that work doesn't quallify me to critique images.

That's the difference between critiquing and the critique club.
The critique club explains why the image doesn't work and how to fix it. Comments tell you my favorite color is red and your image is mostly blue so I don't like it.

It's as simple as a button. You can even make it so you will automatically be given comments and must click to opt out of them.

Message edited by author 2014-05-22 14:16:00.
 05/15/2014 11:05:53 AM · #46
The thing is, I would posit that there's a huge difference between not liking a photo and saying it's a "bad photo", which is what a '1' means if I look at the scale correcly. Does a well executed, technically solid photo that meets all criteria of a challenge that just happens to leave you flat deserve a '1'? Outside of the world of pompous critiques who place self-worth above the work of others, there isn't a world where it does.

The question was asked, "Is this still a learning site?" You believe a person who submits a photo to a challenge should be able to "opt in" to voter comments? Fine - though now that I reread your request I find that to be rather ludicrous when submitting a photo for "evaluation". Me? I believe an abnormally low score warrants that the giver of said score be required to do so without anonymity. You don't like the comment requirement? Fine. But if you want to drop a '2' on someone without being required to leave a comment I think that person still has a right to know who their detractors are. If this is, in fact, a place to learn, then someone should be able to ask their critics, "Why was it so bad?", even if they never get an answer. And maybe, just maybe, it keeps someone who uses low scores as a weapon from doing it in the future? And maybe it makes the callous critic think a little harder about what it is they're looking at before being absolutely dismissive.
 05/15/2014 11:31:49 AM · #47
The thing is, I would posit that there's a huge difference between liking a photo and saying it's a "good photo", which is what a '10' means if I look at the scale correcly. Does a poorly executed, technically flawed photo that doesn't meet any criteria of a challenge that just happens to leave you flabbergasted deserve a '10'? Outside of the world of humble critiques who place making people feel good about themselves above the work of others, there isn't a world where it does.

The question was asked, "Is this still a learning site?" You believe a person who submits a photo to a challenge should be able to "opt in" to voter comments? Fine - though now that I reread your request I find that to be rather ludicrous when submitting a photo for "evaluation". Me? I believe an abnormally high score warrants that the giver of said score be required to do so without anonymity. You don't like the comment requirement? Fine. But if you want to drop a '9' or '10' on someone without being required to leave a comment I think that person still has a right to know who their admirers are. If this is, in fact, a place to learn, then someone should be able to ask the people shinning light up their ass, "Why was it so good?", even if they never get an answer. And maybe, just maybe, it keeps someone who uses high scores as a weapon from doing it in the future? And maybe it makes the merciful lover of everything think a little harder about what it is they're looking at before being absolutely all encompassing.
 05/15/2014 11:44:38 AM · #48
Originally posted by dtremain:
My assumption is that everyone who enters a challenge with the possibility of getting comments is asking for them.

Exactly!

Originally posted by dtremain:
If you make negative comments, or attack the photographer (intentional or otherwise), why are you surprised if you get flamed? Put on the asbestos undies and go for it.

Absolutely!

It's not that difficult. Make comments as you are moved to do so. Some people are going to be thankful for it (good or bad comment) and some people you can't please no matter what.

Having to look and see if there are other restrictions on commenting (i.e. new proposed checkbox) will just stifle natural commenting more than it already is.

I have to admit though, it would be fun to watch those with thin skin using a "Don't critique me" checkbox during the challenge, only to have them turn it off afterwards if they've done well and want to receive all of the fluffy pat-on-the-back atta-boys afterwards.
 05/15/2014 11:56:01 AM · #49
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I have to admit though, it would be fun to watch those with thin skin using a "Don't critique me" checkbox during the challenge, only to have them turn it off afterwards if they've done well and want to receive all of the fluffy pat-on-the-back atta-boys afterwards. [/quote]

+1 LOL
 05/15/2014 12:12:32 PM · #50
Originally posted by backdoorhippie:


The question was asked, "Is this still a learning site?" You believe a person who submits a photo to a challenge should be able to "opt in" to voter comments? Fine - though now that I reread your request I find that to be rather ludicrous when submitting a photo for "evaluation". Me? I believe an abnormally low score warrants that the giver of said score be required to do so without anonymity. You don't like the comment requirement? Fine. But if you want to drop a '2' on someone without being required to leave a comment I think that person still has a right to know who their detractors are. If this is, in fact, a place to learn, then someone should be able to ask their critics, "Why was it so bad?", even if they never get an answer. And maybe, just maybe, it keeps someone who uses low scores as a weapon from doing it in the future? And maybe it makes the callous critic think a little harder about what it is they're looking at before being absolutely dismissive.


disagree. So im not fond of the idea of being forced to tell every 1,2,3,etc why i don't like it. I don't like your image for whatever reason, if i tell you why you probably arent going to like it mainly because i perceived some lack of effort of I misunderstood your intent, all of which isnt going to sit well at all with the photographer.

if i comment, you asked for it or your image moved me to because i either liked it or i think its good but im offering what i feel would make it great.
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