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09/12/2004 11:40:22 PM · #26

Originally posted by mk:

Originally posted by magicshutter:
To me it's not about if you say it's ok to use your shots. It's about respect, I truely think these shots are too similar to be coincidence.

There have actually been far more similar, completely coincidental shots of very specific things shown on this site. I don't think that two different shots of a broad landscape coincidentally looking similar is that out of the question.

That's like saying taking a series of chords envisioned and played by a musician is ok to be used as you see fit, as long as it's not 'the exact same' I know a few musicians who would be real upset if they thought it was ok to 'alter' something they've 'discovered' (i'll use that word lightly as all chords have been used by someone)

People get sued for doing this very thing, only musically.

HBunch

HP PhotoSmart 315

09/12/2004 11:40:31 PM · #27

I can't post the link to the photo (it would give away which photo it is, if someone's too lazy to just go to your portfolio and find it themselves) but I found a (again) very similar photo on the www taken years ago. I would say that you then stole that photo and if we were to remove this photo you requested for DQ then we would have to remove yours too for the exact same reason.
However, I do not see it as such. I do not think you 'stole' that photo, idea, or anything else. And I do not think that this person stole your photo, idea, or anything else.
It is a possibility this person never even saw your shot. We had the same thing happen months ago with some airplane shots. The photographers had to have been standing next to each other at the air show, and taken a photo at the same time. They never even knew it.
Gosh, if we had to DQ every photo of the chicago skyline, or niagra falls. we'd be in trouble.

09/12/2004 11:40:50 PM · #28

You might be interested to know I found another very similar shot on the official web site of the park in question. I'll post a link after midnight.

-Terry

moodville

Nikon D100

09/12/2004 11:42:24 PM · #29

I was at the location several weeks ago and likely have a very similar image in the 100's that I took there. There is a path through the area and notices not to leave the path so the fact that someone took a shot of a photogenic item from the same path in a place that is frequented significantly all day is not that hard to believe. There is no proof that the person even saw the previous image. When faced with a particular scene it is often common practice to use the rules of photography to get the best from that scene so it's likely that two (or more) photographers shooting the same subject would have very similar compositions. How many images of the New York skyline or the Golden Gate Bridge or any other number of landmarks have been photographed the same way by different people? And what exact idea was stolen? To photograph a landmark? Had it been a set up studio shot that involved particular and specific ideas and props and the person had duplicated it exactly or close enough then sure, it's likely a person copied or was inspired by the idea. The heart-shaped filter on the book that Ben did first on DPC is certainly a good example of that. Ben wasnt the first person to shoot that, he adapted someone else's idea, but he was the first on DPC to do it. It has since been popping up around the net all over the place in many different forms by many different people.

There is very few things that are completely original. Ideas come from life experience, the television show you watched when you were five that contained an element you duplicated, a famous photograph or painting that you changed enough to make your own, etc. A scene of nature is not an original idea, at least not to the viewers. You didnt create the scene you are simply recording what you saw. That's part of what photography is. And that's what lots of people do. If something is purty then it will be photographed again and again and again.

If someone takes a picture of a sunset the day after another person then they did not steal that person's idea. They simply photographed a sunset.

blemt

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Nikon

09/12/2004 11:44:41 PM · #30

Originally posted by magicshutter:

You can honestly tell me after looking at both photos that you have one exactly like it? if you can provide me the proof, i'll take mine down this instant. This is not a double standard, this goes for me as well as others.

I don't live in the springs, I live in aurora. Where I live irrelevant.

If you are willing to wait while I call my folks, have them dig through my negatives, send them to me, and wait for me to scan them in I can accomidate you. :) Now technically it will not be exact. It's only exact if you and I shot on the same day, same location, same time. Once the time/day shifts then it's no longer the same.

I again point out that where you shot from is a very, very common shooting area. VERY. In high school we did a field trip there. I was there when I was home over the summer. The light was just crap when I was going to shoot so I didn't.

Again, deep breath. Go rant at the Broncos. And the horrible officiating.

(And it does matter where you live. Colorado Springs is vastly superior. ;))

Clara

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

09/12/2004 11:45:12 PM · #31

Originally posted by hbunch7187:

You show me a link to this photo your talking about (on this site as other sites don't concern me) and I'll gladly remove mine. three rocks in the middle of a state park is hardly the chicago skyline.

I'll just agree to be the lonewolf and withdrawl my comments. I'll also search this site with a comb to see if there are any photos that i've mistakenly infringed on, and remove any I find. I still believe everything I've said, only am sorry I said anything.

Canon EOS-20D

09/12/2004 11:47:10 PM · #32

Originally posted by magicshutter:

That's like saying taking a series of chords envisioned and played by a musician is ok to be used as you see fit, as long as it's not 'the exact same' ....

Actually, what I was saying is that the chances that someone took a similar shot in a popular tourist spot is much more likely than the chances of someone having dug through your portfolio and tromped out there to replicate yours.

09/12/2004 11:48:27 PM · #33

Originally posted by magicshutter:

You show me a link to this photo your talking about (on this site as other sites don't concern me) and I'll gladly remove mine. three rocks in the middle of a state park is hardly the chicago skyline.

The fact that the same photo exists on numerous other sites is significant. It shows that lots of photographers are coming up with the idea independently of one another -- and therefore casts serious doubt on the suggestion that anyone stole your idea.

-Terry

09/12/2004 11:49:54 PM · #34

Originally posted by blemt:

Originally posted by magicshutter:

You can honestly tell me after looking at both photos that you have one exactly like it? if you can provide me the proof, i'll take mine down this instant. This is not a double standard, this goes for me as well as others.

I don't live in the springs, I live in aurora. Where I live irrelevant.

If you are willing to wait while I call my folks, have them dig through my negatives, send them to me, and wait for me to scan them in I can accomidate you. :) Now technically it will not be exact. It's only exact if you and I shot on the same day, same location, same time. Once the time/day shifts then it's no longer the same.

I again point out that where you shot from is a very, very common shooting area. VERY. In high school we did a field trip there. I was there when I was home over the summer. The light was just crap when I was going to shoot so I didn't.

Again, deep breath. Go rant at the Broncos. And the horrible officiating.

(And it does matter where you live. Colorado Springs is vastly superior. ;))

Clara

exactly the point. your shot isn't on this site, mine is. to me, the timing is odd. I only posted mine a few weeks ago, and forum'd it for everyone to see. I doubt we would be having this discussion is someone else took credit for that shot of jim morrison (the doors) with his shirt off and his arms outstretched because they did it 'after' the original photographer.

09/12/2004 11:52:47 PM · #35

Originally posted by mk:

Originally posted by magicshutter:

That's like saying taking a series of chords envisioned and played by a musician is ok to be used as you see fit, as long as it's not 'the exact same' ....

Actually, what I was saying is that the chances that someone took a similar shot in a popular tourist spot is much more likely than the chances of someone having dug through your portfolio and tromped out there to replicate yours.

the same could be said about a metal head who knows nothing about blues traveler, but ends up using a similar riff. Not, he still gets sued

blemt

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Nikon

09/12/2004 11:54:18 PM · #36

Bah! There are more critical things in life.

TOUCHDOWN! Let's go Broncos!

Clara- it's all about priorities baby. ;)

CODE

Canon EOS-5D Mark IV

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

09/12/2004 11:55:43 PM · #37

Please do this:

1) Go to Google
2) Type the name of the place enclosed by double quotes (IE: "My Favorite Place"
3) Click Search
4) Then Click Images

Browse the first 5 pages of images. You'll find at least 4 photos of the same place in the park, very similar compositions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Message edited by author 2004-09-13 00:06:10.

Tamron AF 28-300mm f/3.5-6.3 XR Di LD Aspherical IF for Canon

09/12/2004 11:57:25 PM · #38

Originally posted by ClubJuggle:

Originally posted by magicshutter:
You show me a link to this photo your talking about (on this site as other sites don't concern me) and I'll gladly remove mine. three rocks in the middle of a state park is hardly the chicago skyline.

The fact that the same photo exists on numerous other sites is significant. It shows that lots of photographers are coming up with the idea independently of one another -- and therefore casts serious doubt on the suggestion that anyone stole your idea.

-Terry

I'm sure there are billions of photos, of billions of things. I find it odd that a few weeks after I post mine, I see this other one. Too coincidental for me. Perhaps I inspired some great artist to be great, or to see something different, or try to figure out what i've done. I doubt it's any of these (it probably is just a great place to shoot). and it's no doubt that you'll find shots of 'garden of the gods state park' on countless other photography sites. I don't understand why the exact same location i posted a few weeks ago is now in a challenge as though it's some new idea. I also don't understand how artists could see this as anything but odd. see you in the next post

joe

sher

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

09/12/2004 11:57:40 PM · #39

Originally posted by magicshutter:

Originally posted by mk:

Originally posted by magicshutter:

That's like saying taking a series of chords envisioned and played by a musician is ok to be used as you see fit, as long as it's not 'the exact same' ....

Actually, what I was saying is that the chances that someone took a similar shot in a popular tourist spot is much more likely than the chances of someone having dug through your portfolio and tromped out there to replicate yours.

the same could be said about a metal head who knows nothing about blues traveler, but ends up using a similar riff. Not, he still gets sued

i know quite a bit about music and unless you're claiming the creation of GotG, it has no relevance.

TechnoShroom

Canon EOS-30D

Canon EF 100mm f/2.8 USM Macro

09/12/2004 11:59:06 PM · #40

Although I think this whole discussion is ridiculous I would like to point out that the shot in the current challenge more closely resembles the photo on the area's website (Additional Information page) than it does the one posted in magicshutter's portfolio. This whole discussion, in short, can be summed up in three letters.... O M G.

09/12/2004 11:59:17 PM · #41

Originally posted by CODE:

Please do this:

1) Go to goggle
2) Type the name of the place enclosed by double quotes (IE: "My Favorite Place"
3) Click Search
4) Then Click Images

Browse the first 5 pages of images. You'll find at least 4 photos of the same place in the park, very similar compositions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

see previous posts.

anyway, It's pointless for anyone to continue 'convincing' me i'm wrong. As I get that I'm alone in my principles. See you all in the next challenge... Mirrors :P (sure hope my idea hasn't been used already, I don't want to remove it :P)

Message edited by author 2004-09-13 00:01:50.

//www.gardenofgods.com/add-info.htm

09/13/2004 12:03:11 AM · #42

DefyTime

Canon EOS-7D

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

09/13/2004 12:07:06 AM · #43

What photos are we talking about here, guess I'm stupid but I've gone to magicshutter's profile and I can't find a pic titled Deleted

cbeller

Nikon D300

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 16-85 f/3.5-5.6G ED VR

09/13/2004 12:08:07 AM · #44

Originally posted by ClubJuggle:

//www.gardenofgods.com/add-info.htm

I can't believe they stole magicshutter's image for their website.

Those bastards! They even stole the name of their park from his photo title!

:)

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

09/13/2004 12:08:10 AM · #45

The photo is called Garden of the Gods.

The [deleted] notes were my edits, as this post was made when the photo in question was still in voting.

-Terry

CODE

Canon EOS-5D Mark IV

09/13/2004 12:10:21 AM · #46

More:

//www.academyprosthodontics.org/images/garden_of_the_Gods.jpg

//people.ambrosiasw.com/~andrew/landscapes/Garden_of_the_Gods,_Colorado_Springs,_Colorado1.jpg

//homepage.swissonline.ch/Christener/Colorado/Fotos/Garden%20of%20the%20Gods.JPG

//www.rlmartin.com/photos/scenic/colorado/cosprings/Garden_of_the_Gods-Fall.jpg

Message edited by author 2004-09-13 00:11:00.

OneSweetSin

Nikon D3000

09/13/2004 12:11:18 AM · #47

is it just me or is this thread really moving along tonight.

CODE

Canon EOS-5D Mark IV

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

09/13/2004 12:12:05 AM · #48

Originally posted by OneSweetSin:

is it just me or is this thread really moving along tonight.

Well, this will be a DPC record for the fastest!

09/13/2004 12:12:21 AM · #49

I doubt you looked at the photos in question. The one you posted is only of the same rocks. every else is different. angle, zoom everything.

I have deleted mine out of principle. While I don't believe you noticed what I was talking about, I think it's best that I remove that particular photo from my portfolio. It's shocking that you spent all that ime looking for a way to prove me wrong, and all you had to do was look at the photos in question to see i'm right. While again I'll say that billions of people have shot those rocks, probably from my angle, with my zoom, with yadda yadda yadda. I didn't see any photos like that on this site or on the print site so I uploaded it, now that there's another (on this site) it seems pointless to have it on here.