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01/17/2014 06:40:01 PM · #26
Originally posted by vawendy:

I think it's simply a question of extent.

If Coley's bicycles are held up with huge, thick ropes -- then I think it's a major element, and can't be cloned out. If they're hung with piano wire, that shows in parts, but is quite thin, and really doesn't show in the thumbnail, then it should be legal.

If a child is hung from a harness from a tree so that he's "flying", that seems way too much to clone out, and is more in the area of expert editing.

There's a difference between trying to set something up that's "hidden", but the light catches it wrong and in certain areas, and blatantly just using large chunks of props that you intend to clone out.


And I think this is exactly the problem.

It would be healthier if we simply had a rule that say "no support wires may be cloned" or "all support wires may be cloned"..
01/17/2014 07:44:55 PM · #27
People are more than welcome to submit a ticket prior to the entry deadline for us to take a look and offer opinions. Or send a PM to any active member of Site Council for an opinion of how close to the line they may be pushing things.

When I look at cases like this, the most important question I ask myself is whether the edits change the description of the shot. If my description goes from "guy hanging from the ceiling by cables" to "guy magically floating in mid-air," I would likely be voting to disqualify it. If there are very thin lines, barely evident in the original and the remnants of them were cloned out, I would not likely have a problem.

Again, feel free to ask ahead of time, with a reasonable enough amount of time for us to actually review it... the earlier the better.
01/18/2014 03:03:08 AM · #28
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

If the criterion is "fooling the viewer", then to be consistent doesn't it follow that in any situation where cloning wires would be a transgression we should also DQ the image if it's LIT in such a way that we can't SEE the wires? If not, then why is it OK to "light" the wires away but not to "clone" them away? Both are photographic techniques in the 21st century.


Because the lighting solution would be acceptable in Basic or Minimal and so it pre-qualifies. This is about the legitimacy of an additional (out of camera) technique that goes beyond what is allowed in the lower editing rulesets. So the rule is about the degree to which cloning is allowed as a technique to fool the viewer.
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