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01/24/2014 08:24:54 AM · #26 |
| According to the Expert rules, you could use a childhood photo as a texture. Not sure how that helps. I'm lobbying for inclusion of the Childhood photo special rule for this challenge. Or maybe I could get a picture of a dog and use that for the child... |
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01/24/2014 08:39:05 AM · #27 |
Originally posted by Mike:
im in. |
Yes, but your current pics are still passable as baby images.... not so easy for me. hehe |
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01/24/2014 08:41:09 AM · #28 |
| Where does it say that you cannot scan/photo an old childhood photograph? I see no extra rules other then expert ed'g |
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01/24/2014 09:34:27 AM · #29 |
Originally posted by mariuca:
Where does it say that you cannot scan/photo an old childhood photograph? I see no extra rules other then expert ed'g |
Originally posted by rules:
You Must:
composed only from photographs taken after the challenge is announced and before the deadline.
taken and post-processed by you.
You May:
combine multiple photographs to produce your entry. All additional photographs must be taken by you after the challenge is announced with a digital camera that records EXIF data. |
I don't think you can legally add someone else's photograph from some other time, because if we COULD then theoretically I can put me in an Ansel Adams picture, say, or in one of YOURS...
Message edited by author 2014-01-24 09:40:14. |
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01/24/2014 09:36:04 AM · #30 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by mariuca:
Where does it say that you cannot scan/photo an old childhood photograph? I see no extra rules other then expert ed'g |
You Must:
composed only from photographs taken after the challenge is announced and before the deadline.
taken and post-processed by you.
You May:
combine multiple photographs to produce your entry. All additional photographs must be taken by you after the challenge is announced with a digital camera that records EXIF data. |
So ... you could still take a photo of a childhood photo, then use the new photo for the challenge. Why not? |
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01/24/2014 09:45:23 AM · #31 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
So ... you could still take a photo of a childhood photo, then use the new photo for the challenge. Why not? |
Because you didn't take the childhood photo, and it is outside the challenge dates. If this isn't applicable, then there's no reason I can't enter any image I want from anywhere I find it for an expert challenge...
It's obviously the INTENT of the challenge that we be able to, BTW, but it needs a special rule... |
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01/24/2014 09:47:16 AM · #32 |
ok, im lost on what im allowed to do.
this really needs to be clarified. |
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01/24/2014 10:16:25 AM · #33 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
So ... you could still take a photo of a childhood photo, then use the new photo for the challenge. Why not? |
Because you didn't take the childhood photo, and it is outside the challenge dates. If this isn't applicable, then there's no reason I can't enter any image I want from anywhere I find it for an expert challenge...
It's obviously the INTENT of the challenge that we be able to, BTW, but it needs a special rule... |
Existing artwork? Take the photo with enough distance to include other elements, then crop into it. ??? |
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01/24/2014 10:18:58 AM · #34 |
| I sadly don't have the skill to participate in this one. Looking forward to seeing what you guys do! |
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01/24/2014 10:22:22 AM · #35 |
It does need a special rule, IMO.
(just to continue the discussion -- an existing photo would be considered existing artwork, imo: include existing images or artwork as part of your composition as long as the entry does not appear to consist entirely of a pre-existing photograph in order to circumvent date or editing rules or fool the voters into thinking you actually captured the original photograph. Since it won't necessarily be obvious which is the existing and which is new (hopefully, if you do it right), then it would probably be against the rules.
However, since this is the intent of the challenge, we're not doing it to fool the viewer, so I'd think the SC could decide that we're not trying to fool the viewer, and not DQ us. :)
Administrative announcement right away, and we keep bumping it up to the top? |
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01/24/2014 10:23:53 AM · #36 |
I'd like to do this with the original intent in mind -- that's why it's so cool.
That being said, I don't know that I have any childhood photos with the exception of 1 or 2 that would definitely not be ones I'd choose.
Hey wait -- we have old slides!! |
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01/24/2014 10:46:57 AM · #37 |
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01/24/2014 12:10:35 PM · #38 |
Agree we need a special rule, but that begs the question of how the childhood photo can be used. As I read the OP, the photographer who inspired this actually travelled to the same location she had been at as a child, photographed her adult self there, then combined the two pictures into one. Here, that ain't likely to happen, and we could get a lot of entries with people just cloning themselves into old photos. If the special rule were enacted, I'd like to see some limitations that permit the old photo to be used, but require a photo taken this week to be the primary photograph for the entry (i.e., you can clone the old photo into a new one but not vice versa) - that seems like more of a "challenge" imho. Edited based on later comment pointing out I was wrong. :)
Message edited by author 2014-01-24 13:42:13. |
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01/24/2014 12:18:05 PM · #39 |
| It's text on Album Covers all over again. |
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01/24/2014 12:35:40 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by pamb:
I'm out.
Selfies are against my belief system. |
I'll do it if you do it. :)
BTW, my avatar is sort of a "self-portrait with my childhood self", except the "childhood" is my son Daniel.
Message edited by author 2014-01-24 12:37:09. |
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01/24/2014 12:56:00 PM · #41 |
The intent of the challenge is to combine the two.
It seems silly to have to accomplish all of this by trickery- having a kid that looks like you did as a child stand next to you, or to have to somehow stand next to your own old picture.
can we get a modification, please? |
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01/24/2014 12:59:48 PM · #42 |
Something is odd with the interpretation of the challenge as I read the comments below. The intention of the challenge as suggested by Monica and as shown in her example is just how it was stated:
Tokyo-born, London-based photographer Chino Otsuka takes the past and present photo project to a new level of expert photo manipulation with her series titled Imagine Finding Me. Rather than simply recreating old photographs as an adult, she inserts her present-day self into photos from her childhood. |
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01/24/2014 01:40:35 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by mariuca:
Something is odd with the interpretation of the challenge as I read the comments below. The intention of the challenge as suggested by Monica and as shown in her example is just how it was stated:
Tokyo-born, London-based photographer Chino Otsuka takes the past and present photo project to a new level of expert photo manipulation with her series titled Imagine Finding Me. Rather than simply recreating old photographs as an adult, she inserts her present-day self into photos from her childhood. |
You are right ... I got it backwards. In that case, a special rule allowing use of old photos is all we need. |
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01/24/2014 01:47:40 PM · #44 |
the only person who can fix this may not see this thread
please.... send administrative queries via the help button
the sooner he's aware, the better the chance he'd fix it |
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01/24/2014 06:25:25 PM · #45 |
This week, go back in time and visit your childhood self, or perhaps have them warped into a future scene with you!
Uhm excuse me, but the challenge descrip seems pretty damn clear to me. Yes, I know, to assume makes an ass out of u and me. But apart from using a childhood photo as a source SOMEWHERE in the mix, there is no way this challenge can be done at all. And no, doing a parent/child thing ain't gonna cut it. Certainly not if your kid is rockin a fauxhawk and a Green Day T-shirt.
And, fwiw, all this ridiculous second-guessing leads to nowhere but confusion, and then the voters vote low 'cause they're sooo afraid and uncertain as to what is *allowed* that they play safe and dole out 1s like those awful Halloween taffies that everyone throws out first. |
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01/24/2014 07:44:24 PM · #46 |
Regarding the use of an old photo, at least two SC members agree with this interpretation:
I think the use of an old photo is already allowed by the overlap of the Expert rules (allows combining more than one image) and the Artwork rule (use of clearly pre-existing art) as long as the final image does not consist solely of the reshot earlier photo such that it is the earlier photo we'd be judging.
I also think it's irrelevant whether the earlier photo is re-shot, scanned, or is already digital ...
Message edited by author 2014-01-24 19:49:16. |
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01/24/2014 07:51:09 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Regarding the use of an old photo, at least two SC members agree with this interpretation:
I think the use of an old photo is already allowed by the overlap of the Expert rules (allows combining more than one image) and the Artwork rule (use of clearly pre-existing art) as long as the final image does not consist solely of the reshot earlier photo such that it is the earlier photo we'd be judging.
I also think it's irrelevant whether the earlier photo is re-shot, scanned, or is already digital ... |
99% of the times I agree with what you say Paul, but you know I got a DQ for much less than this... |
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01/24/2014 07:55:03 PM · #48 |
In an Expert editing challenge?
I've gotten DQ'd over the Artwork rule myself (it's tricky), but never when making a composited image with something else (like a person?) included. |
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01/24/2014 07:56:52 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
In an Expert editing challenge?
I've gotten DQ'd over the Artwork rule myself (it's tricky), but never when making a composited image with something else (like a person?) included. |
I know what mean, but in this case there won't be too much difference between expert and advanced except for adding one person in the photo. |
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01/24/2014 08:00:34 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by Alexkc:
I know what mean, but in this case there won't be too much difference between expert and advanced except for adding one person in the photo. |
Depends how creative you are ... all I can advise is to make sure that added person is an important component of the composition -- I can't actually amend the rules for this challenge. |
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