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09/13/2004 01:33:32 PM · #26 |
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09/13/2004 01:36:39 PM · #27 |
| I chose a D60 over the 300D after I went to a nearby camera store and was able to visually see the setup and feel of both cameras. I do not regret the choice. I would recommend you physically check out both models and chose the one you feel best fits your current and expected future needs. |
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09/13/2004 01:52:55 PM · #28 |
Thanks for all the comments. I have held the 300D and it didn't feel like a toy! But I have also handle the D60 and it sure ain't a toy either. I need to consider this a bit deeper.
Will let you all know the final choice when I get the money sorted, and know how much I can spend. Hopefully it will be enough for a 20D, but not sure whether I would prefer to spend slightly less on the camera and buy marque lenses. I doubt whether there is much difference between any of the Canon range...tho a good camera with a cheap lens is a waste of money. |
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09/13/2004 02:09:14 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by marbo:
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so is this :D
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09/13/2004 02:15:41 PM · #30 |
:) very funny. Is that your back-up camera
Message edited by author 2004-09-13 14:16:54. |
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09/13/2004 02:17:09 PM · #31 |
I've looked at the 20D and I'm not gonna upgrade, I think it's really not worth it.
I think it's just a black 300D...oh yeah, it's got 8.2MP..but on the same size chip...so hello noise!
If I am not mistaken, the 10D had vertical controls, right? well the 20D doesn't...and I do a lot of vertical shots, so I got the battery grip just for that.
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09/13/2004 02:24:19 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by marbo:
:) very funny. Is that your back-up camera |
Dude that's my main camera :D
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09/13/2004 02:24:57 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by jonpink:
Originally posted by marbo:
:) very funny. Is that your back-up camera |
Dude that's my main camera :D |
it did look like a nikon....
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09/13/2004 02:25:15 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by jonpink:
Originally posted by Paulmdx:
Yep, how can 1,510 300D owners be happy with their cameras... |
And 20 million + have owned a disposable so that's where your point ends.
Have you ever held a real camera? Like the D2H for example. I don't know why people get so defensive of their cameras. I am not getting at your camera, merely stating that it isn't made as well as the D60, and in comparison it feels like a little toy.
That is pretty much a given, and half the reason it's so cheap.
The same as the D70 and D100 does against the D2H et al. |
I'm with you on this, I've owned both the 300D and D60, and I'd take the D60 anyday. I even sold the 300D, still a great little starter camera if you put a good lens on it, but it's not a great camera when compared to higher end stuff. Even though the D60 is older, the technology is still there: for the price.
And about the comment that the 20D is just a black 300D: there's more in a color. The 10D, 20D, D60, all have hard bodies which stand the test of time. Wait until the silver wears off your 300D, you might not be as impressed.
Message edited by author 2004-09-13 14:29:35. |
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09/13/2004 02:25:30 PM · #35 |
I think it's just a black 300D...oh yeah, it's got 8.2MP..but on the same size chip...so hello noise!
The 20d has less noise |
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09/13/2004 02:27:16 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by Gil P:
Originally posted by jonpink:
Originally posted by marbo:
:) very funny. Is that your back-up camera |
Dude that's my main camera :D |
it did look like a nikon.... |
Touché :D
Message edited by author 2004-09-13 14:27:34. |
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09/13/2004 05:04:08 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by GoldBerry:
The 10D, 20D, D60, all have hard bodies which stand the test of time. |
The D60 has a plastic body.
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09/13/2004 05:07:42 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by jonpink:
Originally posted by Paulmdx:
Yep, how can 1,510 300D owners be happy with their cameras... |
And 20 million + have owned a disposable so that's where your point ends. |
My point was I see plenty of Nikonites complaining about the 300D - I don't see many 300D OWNERS complaining about it. If the plastic body was an issue, we'd hear more about it.
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09/13/2004 05:08:30 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by PaulMdx:
Originally posted by GoldBerry:
The 10D, 20D, D60, all have hard bodies which stand the test of time. |
The D60 has a plastic body. |
Stronger than the 300D was the point, never claimed it wasn't plastic. It's a higher grade plastic, but don't forget there were TWO D60 models. The first was hard black stuff [???] and sold for over $6000CND, shortly after it's release came model two with the cheaper, yet effective, plastic [still black] body for around $3500CND.
The first model was all-but guaranteed not to break if you dropped it. |
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09/13/2004 05:16:25 PM · #40 |
Comparing the 300D to a D2H or a 10D or is pretty idiotic....My 300D is not a real camera...well I paid real dollars for it, I did pay less...and with the money I saved by not caring about what people would say because my camera was made out of plastic and silver, I bought some real expensive glass.
In the end, can't we all live togheter as one? (well us Canon owners anyway...)
Message edited by author 2004-09-13 17:20:25.
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09/13/2004 05:20:08 PM · #41 |
| feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel |
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09/13/2004 05:36:05 PM · #42 |
| My 300D took a tumble in the Grand Canyon, made 10 full rotations before coming to a rest 40 feet down a steep embankment. Much to my surprise it was not harmed. I'd say it is a sturdy camera indeed. |
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09/13/2004 05:48:02 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by GoldBerry:
I've been using a D60 all year, much better camera body than the 300D. You can walk in to a shoot [okay, so let's say a wedding] and not have 10 other people with the same camera looking at you like you're an amateur.
Oh and using the focus points can get you in to trouble in fast paced situations! Personally I keep all my cameras set to centre-focus automatically. Makes it MUCH easier to recompose a photo while keeping sharp focus.
P.S. I bought a 300D but never used it, used the D60 instead for paying gigs.... |
let me paraphrase. I care more about how a camera looks than how it functions. Any functions on the 300d that are not on the d60 are useless, any on the d60 but not on the 300d are vital. I think the 300d looks silly so I bought one but never used it once because looking cool is too vital to risk shotting with a silver body. Even though I never used it, the act of spending money on the camera makes me a fair judge of the camera's abilities. |
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09/13/2004 06:16:03 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
let me paraphrase. I care more about how a camera looks than how it functions. Any functions on the 300d that are not on the d60 are useless, any on the d60 but not on the 300d are vital. I think the 300d looks silly so I bought one but never used it once because looking cool is too vital to risk shotting with a silver body. Even though I never used it, the act of spending money on the camera makes me a fair judge of the camera's abilities. |
HAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAAHA
I normally dont laugh as much as I am laughing right now.
Thanks BrennanOB. lol
Such a true post... but possibly the funniest I have ever seen at DPC!
hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...... |
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09/13/2004 06:19:46 PM · #45 |
I recently posted this on another forum for all you Digital Rebel COMPLAINERS:
many of you boo and hiss that the 300D is plastic and not "tough enough". Just what do you plan on doing with your camera anyway? I know what I do - I take my pictures and put it back in a case. Even if I had the 10D or the most toughest camera in the world - I'd do the same. I wouldn't be playing catch with it if you know what I mean.
As for the FEC complaining, if it is such a big deal to you, spend the extra 500 bucks and get the 10D/20D. Or if you're smart, you'd realize you could get the dRebel and a 550EX flash for the same price (and youl'd even be able to change the FEC but then you'ld have one of the best external flashes money can buy).
If you think the 18-55 EF-s lens is too cheap, go ahead and spend the extra money for a better lens. Spend the 700 dollars for the L lens and get your 10 percent improvement for a 700% increase in price. I certainly cannot find myself to justify such a purchase.
And finally, my advice is stop thinking about the 300D's limitations and what "theyre' going to come out with." Start taking pictures. Some of the best pictures on this site have been taken with a 300D. If you have a D70, or a 10D, good for you. All of the above are great cameras.
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09/13/2004 06:30:56 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by Gil P:
I think it's just a black 300D...oh yeah, it's got 8.2MP..but on the same size chip...so hello noise!
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Maybe try reading some of the reviews, such as at Steve's Digicams etc etc etc. One of the loudest things being said is how much LESS noise there is compared to the 10D, which was pretty fantastic noise wise as it is (and I assume the same noise level as the 300D).
Not sure if I believe it yet, but I think Canon are claiming the 20D at ISO 1600 has the same noise level as the 10D at 400. If so that is quite amazing.
There are also a lot of other differences.
Sure, maybe it is not worth the money to upgrade for everyone .... but to say it is a "black 300D" just with more pixels is just ridiculous. Sound slike someone who hasn't even seen the specs to me, let alone actually read anything about it. The 1Ds and 1D Mk2 are just 300D's in disguise as well I am sure, and isn't the 300D just a Powershot with a removable lens?????
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09/14/2004 08:09:35 AM · #47 |
Originally posted by Natator:
Originally posted by Gil P:
I think it's just a black 300D...oh yeah, it's got 8.2MP..but on the same size chip...so hello noise!
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Maybe try reading some of the reviews, such as at Steve's Digicams etc etc etc. One of the loudest things being said is how much LESS noise there is compared to the 10D, which was pretty fantastic noise wise as it is (and I assume the same noise level as the 300D).
Not sure if I believe it yet, but I think Canon are claiming the 20D at ISO 1600 has the same noise level as the 10D at 400. If so that is quite amazing.
There are also a lot of other differences.
Sure, maybe it is not worth the money to upgrade for everyone .... but to say it is a "black 300D" just with more pixels is just ridiculous. Sound slike someone who hasn't even seen the specs to me, let alone actually read anything about it. The 1Ds and 1D Mk2 are just 300D's in disguise as well I am sure, and isn't the 300D just a Powershot with a removable lens????? |
The issue is that they're gonna treat the noise via algorythmes, like on the Nikon, so It's a bit of a cheat. anyway, I'm satisfied with my file sizes, for me, the jump from 6 to 8MP is not justified.
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09/14/2004 08:19:27 AM · #48 |
....Some of us should concentrate on taking better pictures...instead of getting better cameras.
I think much of the "crap" that 300D users are dealing with is of our own doing, we need to learn not to care.
I have a close collegue who bought a D1x 3 or 4 years ago...he spent close to 8K (cdn) for it. I spent 1K for my camera and because of technological evolution, my 300D equals his 1Dx. Of course he got his years before I did and it was the hottest thing around, I totally agree BUT for someone that does not derive revenue, that enjoys SLR work, that has talent...the 300D is the best investment possible, still is.
This has nothing to do with the 20D or the 1D or the MegaDD-X9 from planet Zorton... It's got to do with getting what the person needs...not what the on-lookers need.
....Some of us should concentrate on taking better pictures...instead of getting better cameras.
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09/14/2004 08:26:46 AM · #49 |
Originally posted by Gil P:
The issue is that they're gonna treat the noise via algorythmes, like on the Nikon, so It's a bit of a cheat. anyway, I'm satisfied with my file sizes, for me, the jump from 6 to 8MP is not justified. |
In the end, isn't it the image quality that matters? As long as the image isn't degraded by the algorithm if it has less noise I'm happy. It's one less step I need in my workflow. Of course, if the image is degraded, or animals are harmed in the making of that image it's not a good thing.
FWIW, I have never used the in-camera NR algorithms of my "cheating Nikon" and it's noise is pretty minimal through ISO800. I've done 15 second exposures and never thought about noise at all. Here's an example:
I'd say just about any dSLR (yes, even Canons) is capable of taking stunning photographs in the hands of someone who knows their craft. Measurebating is an infection disease that can be stopped only by taking real pictures.
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09/14/2004 08:30:56 AM · #50 |
Forgive my ignorance:
Was that 15 second exposure image run through Neat Image? It looks like the water has lost it's texture...although it's likely because of the long exposure time, maybe?
Either way, a nice photograph! |
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