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11/16/2013 03:13:28 AM · #1 |
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11/16/2013 03:28:54 AM · #2 |
Designated hunting zones will be turned into "photographic areas
A much better way to shoot wildlife.
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11/16/2013 09:50:31 AM · #3 |
| Yay! I've never understood how anyone can look into the eyes of an elephant or gorilla and kill it. |
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11/16/2013 10:38:11 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
Yay! I've never understood how anyone can look into the eyes of an elephant or gorilla and kill it. |
I suppose you've never lost a year's worth of crops to a herd of elephants. I'd imagine that while you watch your child starving to death, killing an elephant might seem like a rather good idea.
ETA: Granted this is about commercial hunts, which are rather different, and my example is admittedly hugely hyperbolic... But I can understand wanting to kill an elephant. The gorillas... I suppose if you're REALLY hungry... Never had a desire for that sort of bushmeat myself.
Message edited by author 2013-11-16 10:42:40. |
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11/16/2013 11:16:34 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by Kelli:
Yay! I've never understood how anyone can look into the eyes of an elephant or gorilla and kill it. |
I suppose you've never lost a year's worth of crops to a herd of elephants. I'd imagine that while you watch your child starving to death, killing an elephant might seem like a rather good idea.
ETA: Granted this is about commercial hunts, which are rather different, and my example is admittedly hugely hyperbolic... But I can understand wanting to kill an elephant. The gorillas... I suppose if you're REALLY hungry... Never had a desire for that sort of bushmeat myself. |
Yes, hyperbolic. As you said, the people doing the hunting aren't doing it for food or preservation of life. To me, hunting an intelligent animal is no different than hunting an unarmed autistic human. These people are paying huge amounts of money to go kill an intelligent animal strictly for the thrill of it. And I seriously believe if those same people were able to many of them wouldn't hesitate to hunt a human.
Don't get me wrong, though I don't like it (or should I say, I don't have a taste for it), I don't disagree with hunting for food. |
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11/16/2013 11:29:10 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
Don't get me wrong, though I don't like it (or should I say, I don't have a taste for it), I don't disagree with hunting for food. |
:)
Good thing, or I'd pick on you. ;) |
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11/16/2013 12:33:39 PM · #7 |
| The last report I heard said that 30,000 elephants are killed each year strictly for the (illegal) ivory ... |
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11/16/2013 12:55:26 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
The last report I heard said that 30,000 elephants are killed each year strictly for the (illegal) ivory ... |
Well, I'm sure we can all understand doing things that we wouldn't otherwise do for money. (if you disagree, and don't truly love your job, then you might want to reconsider your position on this... ;) .. )
The biggest issue there is that a strong market still exists for ivory. |
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11/16/2013 03:01:55 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by Kelli:
Yay! I've never understood how anyone can look into the eyes of an elephant or gorilla and kill it. |
I suppose you've never lost a year's worth of crops to a herd of elephants. I'd imagine that while you watch your child starving to death, killing an elephant might seem like a rather good idea.
ETA: Granted this is about commercial hunts, which are rather different, and my example is admittedly hugely hyperbolic... But I can understand wanting to kill an elephant. The gorillas... I suppose if you're REALLY hungry... Never had a desire for that sort of bushmeat myself. |
Cory, Botswana's decision is really about ending 'recreational' hunting. That's where pitiful fat white guys fly in from overseas (no prizes for guessing which country most of these dickheads come from), and pay very big money to dress up in camo clothing and execute nominated and pre-selected wild animals. This isn't hunting at all. The designated trophy animals have in many cases been released onto the hunting concession land just a day or two before Billy-Bob, Randy, Chuck and the boys arrived.
The 'hunter' is taken to the animal, and under the instructions (and the care, though Billy-Bob doesn't know that) of a local guide/hunter, Billy-Bob shoots it. If he misses, and keeps missing, the guide will kill it for him, and try to make it look at least plausible that one of Billy-Bob's two hundred shots was a hit. Then they all pose for photos, one foot on the dead animal, and the rifle brandished like Rambo. Then a worker cuts the animal's head off so it can be mounted for Billy-Bob's wall back home in Pudknock.. The whole thing is pathetic: they may as well just stop by the road back home and shoot dairy cows. It's really much the same thing in terms of the skill involved and the dangers faced.
I'd like Botswana to retain just one hunting concession, so these infantile creeps could still fly in, pay their $30K, and hunt. No animals involved: they'd hunt each other. Last one standing gets a set of steak knives. |
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11/16/2013 04:22:44 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by ubique:
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by Kelli:
Yay! I've never understood how anyone can look into the eyes of an elephant or gorilla and kill it. |
I suppose you've never lost a year's worth of crops to a herd of elephants. I'd imagine that while you watch your child starving to death, killing an elephant might seem like a rather good idea.
ETA: Granted this is about commercial hunts, which are rather different, and my example is admittedly hugely hyperbolic... But I can understand wanting to kill an elephant. The gorillas... I suppose if you're REALLY hungry... Never had a desire for that sort of bushmeat myself. |
Cory, Botswana's decision is really about ending 'recreational' hunting. That's where pitiful fat white guys fly in from overseas (no prizes for guessing which country most of these dickheads come from), and pay very big money to dress up in camo clothing and execute nominated and pre-selected wild animals. This isn't hunting at all. The designated trophy animals have in many cases been released onto the hunting concession land just a day or two before Billy-Bob, Randy, Chuck and the boys arrived.
The 'hunter' is taken to the animal, and under the instructions (and the care, though Billy-Bob doesn't know that) of a local guide/hunter, Billy-Bob shoots it. If he misses, and keeps missing, the guide will kill it for him, and try to make it look at least plausible that one of Billy-Bob's two hundred shots was a hit. Then they all pose for photos, one foot on the dead animal, and the rifle brandished like Rambo. Then a worker cuts the animal's head off so it can be mounted for Billy-Bob's wall back home in Pudknock.. The whole thing is pathetic: they may as well just stop by the road back home and shoot dairy cows. It's really much the same thing in terms of the skill involved and the dangers faced.
I'd like Botswana to retain just one hunting concession, so these infantile creeps could still fly in, pay their $30K, and hunt. No animals involved: they'd hunt each other. Last one standing gets a set of steak knives. |
I'd rather you did award prize money, as I think it'd be a fun game. I'd place my bet on Russia, but it's just a guess.
"Billy-Bobs" don't have $30k to plonk down on a safari, but whatever their interchangeable US name might be, there's a rather significant cultural disgust with this type of behavior in the states. Sure, you've got the Trump sons -- who along with their father generate their own gravitation pull of cultural disgust -- but the US is more about conspicuous consumption, even for the elite of the elite, and elephant tusks aren't something you can show off easily without besmirching your own reputation. I'd wager the current clientele is more likely to be from Russia, Ukraine, and those parts. |
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11/16/2013 04:59:22 PM · #11 |
| Nope, Scott. Predominant clientelle are American. And believe it or not, often the only souvenir they take home with them is a photo as importing most anything related to the animal is either illegal, or requires significant number of authorized permits. |
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11/16/2013 05:07:03 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by Garry:
Nope, Scott. Predominant clientelle are American. And believe it or not, often the only souvenir they take home with them is a photo as importing most anything related to the animal is either illegal, or requires significant number of authorized permits. |
I'm surprised by that.
And that was my last hope for this dump. Kind of crushed. Time to burn my "We Safari less than you do!" t-shirt. |
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11/16/2013 05:21:34 PM · #13 |
| The elephant tusks are being taken exclusively by poachers for the illegal ivory trade, not trophy hunters on safari. The two problems are related but separate. |
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11/16/2013 06:31:56 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
The elephant tusks are being taken exclusively by poachers for the illegal ivory trade, not trophy hunters on safari. The two problems are related but separate. |
Which points up the pretty extreme disconnect here: it's legal to KILL these animals, but not to take pieces of them home... |
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11/16/2013 07:03:13 PM · #15 |
| I didn't think there were (m)any places where it's legal to kill elephants at all ... |
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11/16/2013 09:30:01 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
I didn't think there were (m)any places where it's legal to kill elephants at all ... |
Originally posted by Bullet Safaris:
Hunt Elephants With Bullet Safaris
Elephant hunting is a very challenging sport. You are in for long days of tracking individual bulls or small groups of mature bull elephants. The size of the track is a good indicator of animal size and sometimes trophy size. Our experience trackers can use the subtle aspects of the animal's foot print to roughly determine his age and size. Elephant dung is also used to tell the age, along with the condition of the animal's teeth. The coarser the particles in the dung, typically the older the elephants teeth may be, thus he may carry more ivory. More often than not, the day ends by turning away from the animal with the hope of finding a bigger tusker in the days to come. Even though they are the largest land animal in the world, they are difficult to see in thick brush, which is their preferred hang out. They walk silently and often the first thing you hear from them is a low rumble or the breaking of branches as they feed. Elephants can cover great distances, so have a comfortable pair of boots. A hunter must know the position of the vitals and brain from multiple angles. A poorly placed shot from even the largest guns will have a negligible effect on the animal. I recommend a .400 caliber with good solids for elephant hunting. The killing shots are close, so open sights or a low power scope is preferred. These are not the same animal that your kids feed peanuts to at the circus ΓΆ€“ these things are big and don't like people. Elephant in some areas are very aggressive toward people and several are killed every year as problem animals. On the hunt it is not uncommon to be charged. Most of the charges will be a mock charge. The animal will have its ears fanned out, trumpeting loudly, and breaking brush as it heads toward us. This is a very effective display of dominance. A real charge is often silent with the ears pinned against their head. Hunters are killed by elephant every year. Trophy size is assed by the weight of the tusks. Ivory size is genetically determined and varies throughout Africa, some places produce long thin ivory while other locations produce short and thick ivory. Estimating the exact weight of ivory is difficult due the unknown size of the hollow nerve running inside the tusk. Elephant hunting is regulated by the country. CITIES regulated the import and export of elephant trophies. Tanzania and Botswana host the best elephant hunting available to American Clients. Elephant hunts are a minimum of 10 days up to 25 days. |
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11/16/2013 09:38:53 PM · #17 |
| I guess I'm disappointedly corrected. |
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11/16/2013 10:19:50 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
I didn't think there were (m)any places where it's legal to kill elephants at all ... |
Much of this 'safari' hunting involves animals other than elephants. As evidenced by these heroes.
Message edited by author 2013-11-16 22:22:40. |
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11/16/2013 10:30:00 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by ubique:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
I didn't think there were (m)any places where it's legal to kill elephants at all ... |
Much of this 'safari' hunting involves animals other than elephants. As evidenced by these heroes. |
So sad. |
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11/17/2013 12:58:33 AM · #20 |
Female US television presenter posing with her dead lion.
Would that the positions were reversed. |
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11/17/2013 03:02:13 AM · #21 |
| Human stupidity knows no bounds, little do these ignorant fools know but they are really shooting themselves and on more than one level. |
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