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11/13/2013 02:10:55 PM · #51 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
All descriptions should be replaced with popcorn. How cool would that be?? |
and for us dyslexic folks it would be copporn.... which may prove to more interesting or least a New Mexico interrogation technique. |
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11/13/2013 04:05:43 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by MarkB:
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
All descriptions should be replaced with popcorn. How cool would that be?? |
and for us dyslexic folks it would be copporn.... which may prove to more interesting or least a New Mexico interrogation technique. |
ROFL! |
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11/13/2013 06:10:25 PM · #53 |
| I suggest that if you want challenges without descriptions that you propose irresistably interesting challenge ideas in a Challenge Suggestions thread and list the description at "N/A" -- the challenges are almost always lifted virtually verbatim from the OP's initial post ... |
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11/13/2013 06:17:27 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
I suggest that if you want challenges without descriptions that you propose irresistably interesting challenge ideas in a Challenge Suggestions thread and list the description at "N/A" -- the challenges are almost always lifted virtually verbatim from the OP's initial post ... |
"N/A" ?? WTF? does that mean we have to take the photo in North America? *bitch. moan. gripe.* :P |
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11/13/2013 06:21:29 PM · #55 |
Title: High Contrast
Description: You all know what it is. Do it! |
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11/13/2013 07:25:55 PM · #56 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
"N/A" ?? WTF? |
Where's The Fire?
Your comment is Not Applicable -- similar to the non-descriptions currently applied to challenges without them.
IMO you will not do away with them as a matter of policy, however you can do away with them by refusing to supply them with your challenge suggestions -- I assure you I will not volunteer to write any descriptions for challenges I don't submit myself. |
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11/13/2013 08:33:02 PM · #57 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by ubique:
Best of all possible worlds would be to tell the entrants what the challenge is, but don't tell the voters. Then we'd be voting on photographs and not on prejudices. |
You lot really would prefer everything as a freestudy wouldn't you? (I don't say that with malice, but rather sheer shock and amusement.)
What does DPC really hold for you? I'm genuinely glad ya'll are here, but fail to understand why other less restrictive places haven't attracted you instead. |
there is no lot answer to your questions or your assumptions. the only "lot" exists in your perspective. I don't want everything to be a free study.
You and I both requested that descriptions be abolished, and we were both about the same amount of serious. I like challenge descriptions that don't suck. I like restrictions, and I like to see each individual response to those restrictions.
Some of us enjoy restrictions because they showcase individuality. Some of us enjoy restrictions because they encourage conformity. Our votes reflect which view we hold. (and some of us enjoy restrictions because we are kinky. you know who you are.) |
Well, really, I don't think you're in that 'you lot', it would seem that Penny is though. :D... I do, however, think you fall closer to ubique's end of the spectrum than my end.
As it is though, I was mostly talking about the notion that the voters shouldn't be informed of the challenge. Doing so truly would turn every challenge into a freestudy. |
I like the challenge of shooting for the topic is all.
When voting I figure everyone else enjoyed it too
Would I want every challenge to be a free study? Absolutely not. I enjoy the challenge of having a topic. |
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11/13/2013 08:59:33 PM · #58 |
Challenge: Glass III
Description: Try your hand at photographing glass.
Challenge: Candy III
Description: Satisfy your sweet tooth by photographing candy.
Challenge: Lou Reed Tribute
Description: In tribute of a rock legend who recently passed away.
And my personal favorite...
Challenge: Free Study 2013-11
Description: The 2nd to last free study for 2013. |
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11/13/2013 09:18:10 PM · #59 |
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
Originally posted by Cory:
Well, really, I don't think you're in that 'you lot', it would seem that Penny is though. :D... I do, however, think you fall closer to ubique's end of the spectrum than my end.
As it is though, I was mostly talking about the notion that the voters shouldn't be informed of the challenge. Doing so truly would turn every challenge into a freestudy. |
I like the challenge of shooting for the topic is all.
When voting I figure everyone else enjoyed it too
Would I want every challenge to be a free study? Absolutely not. I enjoy the challenge of having a topic. |
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
Originally posted by ubique:
Best of all possible worlds would be to tell the entrants what the challenge is, but don't tell the voters. Then we'd be voting on photographs and not on prejudices. |
Sounds good to me. On a regular basis, I shoot with the challenge topic in mind... and forget about the topic while voting.
I guess I believe negative could be positive too. |
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In my mind you're contradicting yourself - at least somewhat. If you don't consider the topic when voting, then, in effect, you're treating it like a freestudy, and simply voting on the best image, rather than the one that fit the challenge and had visual appeal.
Forgive me, as I don't mean to pick on you, but I think voting in this manner really does, at least occasionally, produce some very strange front page results. |
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11/13/2013 09:23:06 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Title: High Contrast
Description: You all know what it is. Do it! |
Predicted entries: fire and ice, sweet and sour, happy and sad, rough and smooth.
And a flurry of DNMC. |
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11/13/2013 09:52:13 PM · #61 |
Originally posted by ubique:
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by ubique:
Best of all possible worlds would be to tell the entrants what the challenge is, but don't tell the voters. Then we'd be voting on photographs and not on prejudices. |
What does DPC really hold for you? I'm genuinely glad ya'll are here, but fail to understand why other less restrictive places haven't attracted you instead. |
I'm here to be with old friends, and because I love photographs, and because I enjoy discussion of photographs (and discussion isn't "like" or "awesome!")
I have limited interest in photography, and none at all in popular photographs. If I ever took a photograph that won a DPC ribbon, it'd profoundly disappoint me. I'm not being disingenuous: for me, most popular photographs are boring - there's nothing left to think, nothing left to discuss. It's all been done, and done, and done.
But I appreciate that most folks here have a different view, and different aspirations for their own work. And that's a good thing.
Challenge subjects - and even some descriptions - can be inspirational for photographers, and do of course establish a broadly cohesive theme for a collected body of works (i.e. a challenge), but they're a poisoned chalice for voters who are themselves photographers: sipping is possibly survivable, but gulping will kill your curiosity. And then you die. |
gosh I'm glad you're back. |
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11/13/2013 09:55:37 PM · #62 |
Oh thank goodness. I haven't read a good zinger by Art in a while. Now I feel better. The man has the right slant on life. Got to give it to him. |
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11/13/2013 10:23:13 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by ubique:
Challenge subjects - and even some descriptions - can be inspirational for photographers, and do of course establish a broadly cohesive theme for a collected body of works (i.e. a challenge), but they're a poisoned chalice for voters who are themselves photographers: sipping is possibly survivable, but gulping will kill your curiosity. And then you die. |
The difficulty is the site is (or was when I got interested) both a place for those new to photography to learn the basics, and a great place for those who know the basics and have gone off on their quixotic and personal journeys of what interests them about capturing light, to share their thoughts with friends. We are both the shallow end of the pool, and hopefully have room to allow others to swim out into the depths, with the full realization that if you are swimming in the inky depths where the big monsters swim, ribbons will not be coming your way.
When you first learn any skill, learning to get a good grasp on the basics is essential. If you still feel constrained by the basics few decades after you have started , well that is pretty sad.
And I'm glad you are back too. |
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11/14/2013 09:15:49 AM · #64 |
As I see it the problem is not the descriptions. Rules make it fun, challenges make it fun.
The problem is solely with the intellect of the dnmc-happy voter. Can it be trusted? |
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11/14/2013 09:36:33 AM · #65 |
Originally posted by blindjustice:
As I see it the problem is not the descriptions. Rules make it fun, challenges make it fun.
The problem is solely with the intellect of the dnmc-happy voter. Can it be trusted? |
Perhaps someone should be assigned as a sort of intellect judge - a person
who scrutinises voter intellects (without bias or subject preference)
to see if brains indeed meet the criteria of intelligent voting.
Obviously, those wishing to submit, must be made perfectly aware that their brains
run the risk of being disallowed if the 'brain-judge' believes that their intellect
falls too far outside of the norm.
Providing such a 'judge' was fair-minded, impartial, and a competent photographer to-boot,
their decision should be respected by members as final. Rejection notices
need only state a brief message explaining why the brain was disallowed.
Any volunteers?
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11/14/2013 09:55:47 AM · #66 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by blindjustice:
As I see it the problem is not the descriptions. Rules make it fun, challenges make it fun.
The problem is solely with the intellect of the dnmc-happy voter. Can it be trusted? |
Perhaps someone should be assigned as a sort of intellect judge - a person
who scrutinises voter intellects (without bias or subject preference)
to see if brains indeed meet the criteria of intelligent voting.
Obviously, those wishing to submit, must be made perfectly aware that their brains
run the risk of being disallowed if the 'brain-judge' believes that their intellect
falls too far outside of the norm.
Providing such a 'judge' was fair-minded, impartial, and a competent photographer to-boot,
their decision should be respected by members as final. Rejection notices
need only state a brief message explaining why the brain was disallowed.
Any volunteers? |
HA!
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11/14/2013 10:29:36 AM · #67 |
Originally posted by blindjustice:
HA! |
x2... :) |
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11/14/2013 11:56:18 AM · #68 |
You guys can "Hah!" all you want, but in my tenure here I've seen it proposed several times, apparently with a straight face, that what we need some individual who can be trusted to rule on whether a given image actually meets the challenge or not, and that images that DON'T meet the challenge should be removed during voting :-)
Any volunteers for THAT one?
Brilliant post, Don. Right up there with Swift's "Modest Proposal" :-) |
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11/14/2013 01:08:38 PM · #69 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
You guys can "Hah!" all you want, but in my tenure here I've seen it proposed several times, apparently with a straight face, that what we need some individual who can be trusted to rule on whether a given image actually meets the challenge or not, and that images that DON'T meet the challenge should be removed during voting :-)
Any volunteers for THAT one?
Brilliant post, Don. Right up there with Swift's "Modest Proposal" :-) |
And thankfully, those proposals always get ridiculed. |
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11/14/2013 01:28:11 PM · #70 |
I was saying "Ha!" to the fact that his suggestion was seemingly mocking my post, and maybe it should have been mocked.
Solution #2; have a "trusted volunteer," perhaps an individual who cares especially much about meeting challenges, to write significantly more lengthy challenge descriptions putting a fine point on what does or does not meet the challenge, leaving no nuance spared...
-no, that wouldn't work either.
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11/14/2013 01:29:58 PM · #71 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by sfalice:
Originally posted by posthumous:
Some of us enjoy restrictions because they showcase individuality. Some of us enjoy restrictions because they encourage conformity. Our votes reflect which view we hold. (and some of us enjoy restrictions because we are kinky. you know who you are.) |
And that's why these threads will continue to flourish as long as there is a DPC.
Some of us are individualists, some of us are conformists and well, some of us are kinky. |
:D
And some of us are sadists. ;-) |
Originally posted by ubique:
Best of all possible worlds would be to tell the entrants what the challenge is, but don't tell the voters. |
Maybe we can arrange for the challenge topic to change at rollover ... |
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11/14/2013 07:44:39 PM · #72 |
| and while we're at it, why not do away with titles as well... |
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11/14/2013 08:31:21 PM · #73 |
Originally posted by ancientimages:
and while we're at it, why not do away with titles as well... |
Spent too much tine on that to get suckered in again! |
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11/14/2013 09:59:26 PM · #74 |
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11/15/2013 02:17:46 AM · #75 |
| My favorite description... "N/A" |
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