Discussion of "interpretation of a challenge"

Canon EF 100mm f/2.8L Macro IS USM

11/11/2013 09:46:01 AM · #3

I'd say don't bother with restoring it - not a hell of a lot of value in that.

Personally, I'd like it if we DID discuss the crap out of this before the challenges went in.

Message edited by author 2013-11-11 09:46:16.

P-A-U-L

Canon EOS R6

11/11/2013 09:54:57 AM · #4

Originally posted by Cory:

I'd say don't bother with restoring it - not a hell of a lot of value in that.

Personally, I'd like it if we DID discuss the crap out of this before the challenges went in.

Yeah totally agree. For some challenges some members may have no experience of the task in hand. It would be a perfect way to share knowledge and educate and hopefully assist us all becoming better photographers. I am aware this kind of happens anyway and I did learn from the thread on the Droste Effect.

RayEthier

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 USM

11/11/2013 09:58:29 AM · #5

Perhaps I view things in a different perspective than most.

I could see removing a thread if it could be demonstrated that it would have a significant impact on the DPC population, but seriously doubt that such is the case.

If it were, we would have definitely seen an increase in participation, more voters, higher scores and an improvement in a myriad of other issues which we regularly gripe about.

I most certainly cannot speak for anyone else, but I can assure you that the musings of disgruntled individuals have yet to sway either my vote or thought process.

Ray

Canon EF-S 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5 USM

11/11/2013 10:47:06 AM · #6

Originally posted by Cory:

I'd say don't bother with restoring it - not a hell of a lot of value in that.

Personally, I'd like it if we DID discuss the crap out of this before the challenges went in.

Congratulations, the police are on your side.

undieyatch

Olympus E-10

11/11/2013 10:57:54 AM · #7

Originally posted by Neil:

Oh good - some negative space.

see

Canon PowerShot S95

11/11/2013 11:14:53 AM · #8

I wonder.
If a challenge interpretation is discussed pre-challenge, is it to be removed during voting. If not, how is it different than discussion after the voting has started?

Fujifilm XF 16mm f/1.4 R WR

11/11/2013 12:01:16 PM · #9

Originally posted by see:

I wonder.
If a challenge interpretation is discussed pre-challenge, is it to be removed during voting. If not, how is it different than discussion after the voting has started?

Surely you're just being disingenuous.

In any case, the difference is that before the challenge people can use it to help shape their entry, but after roll-over, there's no way it can be useful, and it can indeed sway some voting. (although the effect probably isn't anywhere near as straightforward as some might imagine)..

And Don, you've seen me get hit with the damned hammer enough to know that you were about to do something silly - I think I might even recall you complaining about me posting something that 'would influence voting' in a voting thread.

insteps

Ricoh GR III

11/11/2013 12:28:33 PM · #10

A forum describing what and how to shoot could be very harmful. Let your creativity and vision guide you. For me that's the fun of a challenge. You can find plenty of information on virtually any topic online. I don't want to be told how to vote either.

mefnj

Nikon D7100

Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II

11/11/2013 12:40:46 PM · #11

Regardless of the challenge title or description, I find it is always best to look back at past challenges of same topic, if available, to see what DPC voters think... That is, if your goal is to score high and not be technically precise (in the event there is a difference between a specific type or genre of photography or photo technique and the way it could be interpreted).

Stagolee

Kodak Easyshare C180

Canon EF 50mm f1.2L

11/11/2013 02:06:46 PM · #12

Originally posted by Neil:

What a complex precedent that has been set now! Just about every scoring thread evolves into a discussion on interpreting the challenge description!
Good luck trying to police this new unwritten rule!

11/11/2013 02:10:29 PM · #13

Originally posted by Stagolee:

Originally posted by Neil:
If not discussed before the challenge starts in voting, it's best to hold on the discussion of how to interpret a challenge until after voting. Similar to the forum rule that outtake threads posted "early" will be removed, to prevent early discussion of what best fits the challenge, I've temporarily removed this thread -- we can restore it once voting is complete.

What a complex precedent that has been set now! Just about every scoring thread evolves into a discussion on interpreting the challenge description!
Good luck trying to police this new unwritten rule!

Not exactly a new rule. I've been warned about this previously myself, from within a score thread.

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

11/11/2013 02:14:33 PM · #14

Originally posted by insteps:

Yessss... Of course! If world history teaches us anything, it's that nothing but trouble comes of talking with others and gauging their opinions and expectations.

Silliness - I think it's a fantastic idea to do this, no-one is telling anyone how to shoot, what to enter, or how to vote. They sometimes are kind enough to share what they will vote like however, and I think there's real value in that. (really, every discussion like this really only reveals the intentions of the commenter, how they intend to vote, their expectations, etc....)

Neil

Fujifilm X-T30

11/11/2013 02:17:53 PM · #15

Originally posted by Stagolee:

We've certainly hidden posts in those threads before based on this.

insteps

Ricoh GR III

Fujifilm XF 16mm f/1.4 R WR

11/11/2013 02:48:17 PM · #16

Originally posted by Cory:

Originally posted by insteps:
A forum describing what and how to shoot could be very harmful. Let your creativity and vision guide you. For me that's the fun of a challenge. You can find plenty of information on virtually any topic online. I don't want to be told how to vote either.

Yessss... Of course! If world history teaches us anything, it's that nothing but trouble comes of talking with others and gauging their opinions and expectations.

Silliness - I think it's a fantastic idea to do this, no-one is telling anyone how to shoot, what to enter, or how to vote. They sometimes are kind enough to share what they will vote like however, and I think there's real value in that. (really, every discussion like this really only reveals the intentions of the commenter, how they intend to vote, their expectations, etc....)

We'll just have to disagree on this. I appreciate your opinion and the diversity of thought is welcome.

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

11/11/2013 03:48:19 PM · #17

I have worked as a poll worker at several elections, and any political discussion (or "electioneering" as it was called) was prohibited within 100 feet of the polling place; I'm pretty sure this is standard practice everywhere voting is conducted by closed/secret ballot.

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

11/11/2013 10:21:17 PM · #18

Originally posted by Cory:

I'm glad you've come around to my side so quickly. Perhaps you could unreport my thread and get it unpoliced.

Beetle

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

11/11/2013 10:34:32 PM · #19

I don't actually KNOW what is hidden and forbidden here, but from the thread I infer that:

1) There was a thread discussing what does or doesn't constitute negative space.

2) Because there is a challenge in voting about this topic, we are not allowed to talk about it.

Am I right so far?

I thought we weren't to discuss individual photos, but why on earth can't we talk about the CONCEPT or TECHNIQUE????

I sure hope I am missing something - I'd hate to have guessed this correctly.

Stagolee

Kodak Easyshare C180

Canon EF 50mm f1.2L

11/11/2013 10:47:29 PM · #20

Originally posted by Beetle:

I think you have summed it up!

From my understanding there is now a new unwritten forum rule which prevents anyone talking about interpreting challenge descriptions.

I believe that this new unwritten rule has only come about recently and is implemented under the guise that talking about challenge description is a means of influencing the voting?

ubique

Olympus PEN-F

Olympus 17mm f/1.8 M.Zuiko

11/11/2013 11:26:01 PM · #21

Coincidentally (though not ironically) I am happen to be re-reading Nineteen Eighty-Four just now. Winston Smith would immediately recognise the DPC precinct of the Thought Police.

"Pull over

posthumous, looks like you've had a little too much to think!"

Just be glad, Don, that you're in New Jersey and not in New Mexico. Though there are similarities: no probable cause, no legal basis for actions ... anal probing can't be too far away now. Better adopt an 'unclenched' look in your future posts, just to be on the safe side.

Message edited by author 2013-11-11 23:29:36.

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

11/11/2013 11:36:05 PM · #22

Originally posted by ubique:

Coincidentally (though not ironically) I am happen to be re-reading Nineteen Eighty-Four just now. Winston Smith would immediately recognise the DPC precinct of the Thought Police.

"Pull over posthumous, looks like you've had a little too much to think!"

Just be glad, Don, that you're in New Jersey and not in New Mexico. Though there are similarities: no probable cause, no legal basis for actions ... anal probing can't be too far away now. Better adopt an 'unclenched' look in your future posts, just to be on the safe side.

Clearly this is ad hominem. Paul is getting deep into my negative space.

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

11/11/2013 11:40:09 PM · #23

Originally posted by posthumous:

Originally posted by ubique:
Coincidentally (though not ironically) I am happen to be re-reading Nineteen Eighty-Four just now. Winston Smith would immediately recognise the DPC precinct of the Thought Police.

"Pull over posthumous, looks like you've had a little too much to think!"

Just be glad, Don, that you're in New Jersey and not in New Mexico. Though there are similarities: no probable cause, no legal basis for actions ... anal probing can't be too far away now. Better adopt an 'unclenched' look in your future posts, just to be on the safe side.

Clearly this is ad hominem. Paul is getting deep into my negative space.

Is it possible to ad hominem a dead man?