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09/08/2004 07:07:42 AM · #26 |
On that budget, I would say D70. At least it has a spot meter. :Þ
And there is a huge market of used Nikon lenses out there, just make sure that they work with the D70. Nikon lens/camera compatability is a real jungle.
On the other hand, I would check your local store for used Canon 10D, I'll bet there will be many second hand 10D out there when the gearheads upgrade to 20D.
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09/08/2004 07:09:18 AM · #27 |
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
Any word on this new Olympus E-series consumer camera as far as is it going to be part of the 4/3rds system, with those Zuiko lenses, or will it be along the lines of the old E10/E20 cameras, with a 2/3rd inch CCD and fixed lense? |
It is without doubt going to be part of the 4/3 standard.
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09/08/2004 07:59:22 AM · #28 |
Be very careful buying the drebel with the intent to resell it. If Canon drops the price a second time this year, or introduces a new body in that space the market will possibly have a glut of dRebels.
Buy the most you can afford to at this time. I'd personally suggest the 10D body if you want to do Canon, or the D70 if you prefer Nikon. Both bodies will give you several years of use before you need to consider upgrading.
Clara
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09/08/2004 08:06:11 AM · #29 |
Originally posted by blemt:
Buy the most you can afford to at this time. I'd personally suggest the 10D body if you want to do Canon, or the D70 if you prefer Nikon. Both bodies will give you several years of use before you need to consider upgrading.
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That's certainly the best option: Not thinking too much about resale value. In three years, it will not make a difference if you're selling a 300D or a 10D. Digital cameras lose their value very quickly, so the best way is to get what you want, and not try to fight that - you're going to lose anyway ;)
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09/08/2004 09:00:57 AM · #30 |
Originally posted by namdohtem:
i keep hearing about the 20d but i looked up some reviews on cnet.com and according to them the d70 has it beat by a long shot. I just dont know about nikon i heard that their lenses are usually more expensive. |
Cannot beat good glass. Nikon lenses are quite expensive for decent ones but I think that appilies to all companies. My next move for glass is to get the Nikon/Zeiss adapter and buy me a nice Zeiss as a walk-about lens (probebly the 24-80mm f 2.2 Sonar T)You'de get some nice glass from a decent secondhand camera shop.
good luck choosing I reccomend the Nikon D70 (cos I got one)
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09/08/2004 10:42:16 AM · #31 |
With almost everything electronic I buy, I'm thinkng about resale thanks to eBay, but with my dSLR, I'm actually *not* thinking about resale, at least not in the foreseeable future. My Dad still has his Nikon - at leat 30 years old, and still takes incredible pictures. No matter whether you love Canons or Nikons it's hard to argue that either the 10d or d70 are able to take professional grade photos in the right hands.
I'm thinking that my d70 is going to last a long time before I come close to outgrowing it... Not that I wouldn't love to have the latest and greatest each year, but I think lens glass is a much better incremental investment than upgrading dSLR bodies. Buy the best you can afford today, and plan on having it for along time.
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09/08/2004 05:16:02 PM · #32 |
| i would really love the 20d im just worried about not being able to use it since i wont have enought to buy a lense....any idea on an average non expensive lens would cost for the 20d? |
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09/08/2004 05:18:32 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by namdohtem:
i would really love the 20d im just worried about not being able to use it since i wont have enought to buy a lense....any idea on an average non expensive lens would cost for the 20d? |
CDN $ 150 for a 1.8/50mm an excellent lens with foot-zoom.
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09/08/2004 06:06:16 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by namdohtem:
i would really love the 20d im just worried about not being able to use it since i wont have enought to buy a lens |
Moving from the A80 to a 20D is overkill. The Digital Rebel is plenty of camera for starters, and you'll be able to afford a great lens or two to carry forward. The Rebel, and it's near-twin the 10D, are owned by 2593 DPCers, vs. 585 for the next most popular camera- that should tell you something. As I stated earlier, get the Rebel and learn it. If it becomes limiting in a few months, you can sell it on eBay and move up to the 20D. Even if you take a loss selling the Rebel, it'll be WAY cheaper than renting, and you'll be using a DSLR long before you've saved enough to get a 20D setup. |
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09/08/2004 06:21:22 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
...If it becomes limiting in a few months, you can sell it on eBay and move up to the 20D. Even if you take a loss selling the Rebel, it'll be WAY cheaper than renting... |
Why sell it and rent another one? You may want a second body...
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09/08/2004 09:12:54 PM · #36 |
| some great advise....i do see that alot of you have 10d's and 300d's..if i may what is the major flaw that you dislike about your cameras. |
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09/08/2004 09:43:45 PM · #37 |
| The only "flaw" I care about on the 300D is the lack of flash exposure compensation (and maybe mirror lockup for astrophotography). Both of those can be enabled by installing a firmware hack. You can also use a 550ex flash (or Sigma equivalent) to get flash exposure compensation. None of the other 10D "features" are things I care about. |
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09/08/2004 10:51:11 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
The only "flaw" I care about on the 300D is the lack of flash exposure compensation (and maybe mirror lockup for astrophotography). Both of those can be enabled by installing a firmware hack. You can also use a 550ex flash (or Sigma equivalent) to get flash exposure compensation. None of the other 10D "features" are things I care about. |
After installing the firmware hack, my DR now has everything I could want in a camera. DR is a great deal for the $$$ IMO. I haven't been disappointed one little bit.
I agree with scalvert, DR and nice lenses to start with. Good luck!!!
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09/08/2004 11:15:39 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by VisiBlanco:
Originally posted by namdohtem:
VERY GOOD POINT WACKY....ALL THIS HYPE ABOUT THE 20D HAS REALLY MADE ME DO A LOT MORE RESEARCH ON IT. So the lenses that come with the rebel and the 10d arent that great? Atleast thats what im hearing....any suggestions on what lense to buy if i were to go with the 10d or rebel? |
Well, I would recommend a faster lens than those that come with the rebel/10d. I bought a Canon 28-105mm USM lens and it has served me well but for some reason the focus ring is crapping out on me. Here's what I'll be getting to replace it //www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=264304&is=GREY |
Jeez! Was not covered by warranty or too old? |
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09/09/2004 12:28:53 AM · #40 |
The 10D doesn't come with a lens.
The 20D is an 8.3 megapixel camera with a 5 fps burst rate and 65 millisecond shutter lag -- that blows the d70 and the digital rebel completely out of the water. If you're considering a new digital...cough up the extra $100 and buy the 20D. Somebody out there actually prefers the D70 to the D2H??? Kinda makes me wonder what he uses the D70 for if he doesn't like a camera that's used by some of the top photographers in the world. Dave Black for Newsweek, to name one.
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09/09/2004 01:56:39 AM · #41 |
Originally posted by digistoune:
Jeez! Was not covered by warranty or too old? |
Well, I bought the lens used and it was too old for warranty. It sucks but at least I only paid $150 or so for it and I've been thinking about upgrading anyhow. Maybe I can destroy the lens and use it in a challenge somehow... :-\
I'm still deciding whether to drop $1,000 on the Canon lens or spend $400 on the similar Sigma, //www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=223624&is=REG. I suppose I'll have to read reviews and compare some sample photos. |
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09/16/2004 01:22:18 PM · #42 |
Does anybody have the 20D in their possession? I would really like to see some pictures taken with it.
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09/16/2004 01:36:06 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by propellerhead:
The 10D doesn't come with a lens.
The 20D is an 8.3 megapixel camera with a 5 fps burst rate and 65 millisecond shutter lag -- that blows the d70 and the digital rebel completely out of the water. If you're considering a new digital...cough up the extra $100 and buy the 20D. Somebody out there actually prefers the D70 to the D2H??? Kinda makes me wonder what he uses the D70 for if he doesn't like a camera that's used by some of the top photographers in the world. Dave Black for Newsweek, to name one. |
the only problem with that is that the extra $100 only gets you a 20d body, no lenses or accessories or anything else. so the $100 extra is just the beginning.... then he has to come up with another few hundred to get a decent first lense. the 20d body is 500 more than just a d70 body, if you want to compare just body costs. a d70 kit for 1300, or even a rebel, would still be more affordable than a 20d, and are "entry-level" dSLRs.
not that everyone uses it, but the d70 also has a spot meter.
Message edited by author 2004-09-16 13:39:58.
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09/16/2004 03:12:25 PM · #44 |
The question to ask, IMHO, is how much does it cost to purchase a particular DSLR "system". You will, I imagine, want a few lenses of a quality compatible with the body you use, so you can cover a certain range; you will need a few UV filters to protect your investment and perhaps afew good polarizers. Some of these lenses require odd filter sizes, which are somewhat expensive. Since it is likely that at least one of your lenses is a super telephoto, you cannot live without a good tripod to support it. If you're discriminating, you will want a tripod regardless of what lens happens to be mounted at one time. A good tripod without a good enough head is not very sensible either.
When you come home with soft images despite all that equipment and care in getting your exposures just right, you'll likely go out and buy a remote. You've also discovered the Burst mode and Continuous Shooting. Shooting half a cardfull of an 8 mp images, hell, what use is a 256 mb CF card? You go out and buy a handfull of big cards or at least one really big one.
When you go on your first remote shoot, you run out of battery power three hundred miles east of your hotel, cabin or six miles north of your pup tent. When a bull moose was last blowing down your face, you couldn't get his antlers into the picture without screwing up the horizon. What to do? You go out and buy a battery grip. Well, the grip has two battery compartments, but the damn thing doesn't come with a second battery. Well, buy one.
By now, you may find that your recent acquisitions no longer fit into the old LoewePro Stealth. You need a backpack... But what you really need is a second body. There is dust on your sensor, and your super telephoto produces error 1 and 99 messages. What will you shoot with while the old body is in for repairs?
My guess is, that at this point your account shows a deficit of about $ 7.000. This figure accurately reflect the cost of my present system. It is actually a little higher.
Message edited by author 2004-09-16 15:14:44.
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09/16/2004 03:31:41 PM · #45 |
sounds like you're a bit frustrated with gear.
the next question would be is the expense worth it to you...
i'll be pushing $3000 invested by the time summer roles back around. but am content with that as i enjoy the freedom the expensive gear allows over a less costly prosumer camera.
i just need to sell one artsy photo at an unreasonable price to pay for it all though ;}
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09/16/2004 03:49:46 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by soup:
sounds like you're a bit frustrated with gear. the next question would be is the expense worth it to you... |
The point of my post, really, was to reflect the real cost of a DSLR accurately. If I were frustrated, I could always take up... photography and justify my obsessive spending, well, somewhat. To sell an artsy photo at an unreasonable price alone would not quite appease me. I'd like to sell it to a Canon executive or a stock holder.
When I come up with that pitcher (the artsy one fetching an unreasonable price), I'll likely won't sell. Then it'll be worth it. ;-)
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09/16/2004 03:58:14 PM · #47 |
As I will soon be a DSLR owner, 10D. I will eventually be building my "kit" as I go on, and expect I will spend a few quid. My question is this, for financial reasons my first lense will probably be a cheap 1.8 standard lense, can I expect better or worse results than I get with my fuji prosumer?
Another query, is there really a big difference between cheap glass and expensive glass or is it just for the pros?
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09/16/2004 04:08:29 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by namdohtem:
i would really love the 20d im just worried about not being able to use it since i wont have enought to buy a lens |
Moving from the A80 to a 20D is overkill. The Digital Rebel is plenty of camera for starters, and you'll be able to afford a great lens or two to carry forward. The Rebel, and it's near-twin the 10D, are owned by 2593 DPCers, vs. 585 for the next most popular camera- that should tell you something. As I stated earlier, get the Rebel and learn it. If it becomes limiting in a few months, you can sell it on eBay and move up to the 20D. Even if you take a loss selling the Rebel, it'll be WAY cheaper than renting, and you'll be using a DSLR long before you've saved enough to get a 20D setup. |
Good point, if you're not entirely camera-feature-savvy then the 20D will collect dust in your house. Plus, I feel very strongly that if you're investing in a professional grade camera like the 20D and plan on USING it, you'll need a flash as well. Which ups your budget another $300 or so.
I bought the 300D in January and sold it in the newspaper in July. It had already dropped $300 in resale value. It's gone down even further since then. If you can afford to only get about 50% of your investment back later then it's an okay plan.
I also bought my 10D [used] on Ebay. |
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09/16/2004 04:12:16 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by peecee:
As I will soon be a DSLR owner, 10D. I will eventually be building my "kit" as I go on, and expect I will spend a few quid. My question is this, for financial reasons my first lense will probably be a cheap 1.8 standard lense, can I expect better or worse results than I get with my fuji prosumer?
Another query, is there really a big difference between cheap glass and expensive glass or is it just for the pros? |
â€Â¢ The 1.8 "normal" is an excellent lens and inexpensive, but far from 'cheap'. ;-) You should get a great image quality out of it. 24mm - 50mm prior to considering the crop factor, to me, is also a nice format for composing certain kinds of shots, IMO. Besides, it teaches foot-zooming... ;-)
Your Fuji may produce better results until you know the 10D as well as you do the Fuji.
â€Â¢ It makes no sense to me to put "cheap" glass on a body made for expensive glass.
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09/16/2004 04:16:34 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by shutterfly:
Does anybody have the 20D in their possession? I would really like to see some pictures taken with it. |
I guess that would be a no.
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