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09/25/2013 03:37:43 AM · #26 |
What if you get disqualified in the DQ Challenge? I think that ALL entries must be DQed.
It is a structure called a "recursive loop". I love recursive loops as they are the most phenomenal concept in storytelling today, movies use them all the time - "if you can go back in time and kill your father or mother, will you then ever be born? So, how can you go back in time to do this?"
Therefore, in parallel, if you copy a DQ image, then is your image not then destine to be DQed as well simply for the act of propagating a DQ action? Will anyone win? Will any submission even become available for voting? Are we not all obligated to report ourselves for cheating when we copy an entry that was eliminated for cheating?
Okay, now I am getting confused...
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09/25/2013 04:40:46 AM · #27 |
| I really, really wanted to enter this but my model was unavailable last minute and there's no way I can recreate the image I wanted to tackle in the time that's left. :( Good luck to everyone throwing their hat in the ring... I'm really looking forward to seeing the entries! |
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09/25/2013 07:58:14 AM · #28 |
Originally posted by Stagolee:
Originally posted by snaffles:
 Stagolee, why so bitter and anti-Expert? There is absolutely no rule saying that you HAVE to use Expert Editing in a challenge!
Ditto Basic and Advanced; the one exception being Minimal, where I still wish we could crop, but oh well. Anyway. I've entered countless shots in Advanced with only Basic editing, and Expert with Advanced-editing work.
Sure, I wouldn't mind having a few more bazillion mad PS skllz up my sleeves, but I don't, so I make do with what I can and try do a lot in camera than rely on PS to ride to the rescue. |
Just so you understand I'm not "so bitter" or anti expert editing, in fact I enjoy expert editing challenges and usually score them higher.
I was trying to state that in my opinion expert editing is not required for this challenge! Most DQed images are from editing mistakes......the real challenge would have been to try and emulate the the DQ without the editing mistake. Using expert editing makes it too easy to improve an image without the constraints the original image was entered under. |
Thanks for clearing that up! Sometimes constraints are a good idea. FWIW I am doing only Advanced editing on my entry, and though the entry still isn't quite right, and I could *fix* parts of the set under Expert editing rules - I still prefer to fix the set itself and reshoot. |
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09/25/2013 09:31:05 AM · #29 |
Originally posted by Morgan:
What if you get disqualified in the DQ Challenge? I think that ALL entries must be DQed.
It is a structure called a "recursive loop". I love recursive loops as they are the most phenomenal concept in storytelling today, movies use them all the time - "if you can go back in time and kill your father or mother, will you then ever be born? So, how can you go back in time to do this?"
Therefore, in parallel, if you copy a DQ image, then is your image not then destine to be DQed as well simply for the act of propagating a DQ action? Will anyone win? Will any submission even become available for voting? Are we not all obligated to report ourselves for cheating when we copy an entry that was eliminated for cheating?
Okay, now I am getting confused... |
I understand what you are saying, however the logic may be off in this instance. The one DQ that can be overcome is the DQ for not being able to submit the original photo on time. Since these will be "new" photos the timestamp will change therefore you will be replicating an administrative DQ vice a technical DQ. (i.e. adding text when not allowed) BTW, since text is not allowed in this challenge not all DQ's can even be replicated. :)
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09/25/2013 12:27:58 PM · #30 |
| Are we putting the image id of the photo we are replicating in the title of our entry? |
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09/25/2013 12:38:29 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by nam:
Are we putting the image id of the photo we are replicating in the title of our entry? |
I put a username and a title. If that's not enough, then... whatever. :) |
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09/25/2013 01:25:01 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by nam:
Are we putting the image id of the photo we are replicating in the title of our entry? |
I put a username and a title. If that's not enough, then... whatever. :) |
ID number paired with your title
Username paired with (your/their) title
ID paired with Username and (your/their) title
I think all are good if some combination can point back to the original in some way.
Looking forward to seeing what everyone puts on the plate. |
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09/25/2013 01:31:04 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by tanguera:
Fine. If you're not going to visit the other thread... type this into Google and search images.
site:dpchallenge.com/image.php "Disqualification Details" |
Teehee, you oughta know by now how frustratingly stubborn we can be, Johanna! ;-) Thanks, and wow are we ever good at making DQs! |
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09/25/2013 04:18:09 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by snaffles:
Thanks for clearing that up! Sometimes constraints are a good idea. FWIW I am doing only Advanced editing on my entry, and though the entry still isn't quite right, and I could *fix* parts of the set under Expert editing rules - I still prefer to fix the set itself and reshoot. |
I found a DQed entry which didn't require much editing. So my version would qualify under the basic ruleset. |
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09/25/2013 04:24:37 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by CNovack:
Looking forward to seeing what everyone puts on the plate. |
This was more plate than I could handle.
I found three images that seemed doable. After spending more hours than I care to admit,
all three tries went into the delete bin. It'll be fun voting on those who were brave
and good enough to pull this one off.
Indeed, what a DPC Challenge! |
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09/25/2013 04:51:20 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by sfalice:
Originally posted by CNovack:
Looking forward to seeing what everyone puts on the plate. |
This was more plate than I could handle.
I found three images that seemed doable. After spending more hours than I care to admit,
all three tries went into the delete bin. It'll be fun voting on those who were brave
and good enough to pull this one off.
Indeed, what a DPC Challenge! |
You still have plenty of time :) |
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09/25/2013 09:46:56 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by Stagolee:
Originally posted by sfalice:
Originally posted by CNovack:
Looking forward to seeing what everyone puts on the plate. |
This was more plate than I could handle.
I found three images that seemed doable. After spending more hours than I care to admit,
all three tries went into the delete bin. It'll be fun voting on those who were brave
and good enough to pull this one off.
Indeed, what a DPC Challenge! |
You still have plenty of time :) |
With a "challenge" like that, how could I resist.
It's in.
:) |
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09/25/2013 10:25:21 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by sfalice:
Originally posted by Stagolee:
Originally posted by sfalice:
Originally posted by CNovack:
Looking forward to seeing what everyone puts on the plate. |
This was more plate than I could handle.
I found three images that seemed doable. After spending more hours than I care to admit,
all three tries went into the delete bin. It'll be fun voting on those who were brave
and good enough to pull this one off.
Indeed, what a DPC Challenge! |
You still have plenty of time :) |
With a "challenge" like that, how could I resist.
It's in.
:) |
Glad you joined in! If it stops at 20 then you for sure will finish in the top 20!:-) |
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09/26/2013 04:53:19 AM · #39 |
Please do not take me seriously and try to clarify the rules of engagement, however I do appreciate your sincere effort to do so. I simply find the idea of this challenge to be idiotic so I am having fun. I understand how it all works and what the logic of an entry might be, but thanks for the effort to help.
Originally posted by sempermarine:
Originally posted by Morgan:
What if you get disqualified in the DQ Challenge? I think that ALL entries must be DQed.
It is a structure called a "recursive loop". I love recursive loops as they are the most phenomenal concept in storytelling today, movies use them all the time - "if you can go back in time and kill your father or mother, will you then ever be born? So, how can you go back in time to do this?"
Therefore, in parallel, if you copy a DQ image, then is your image not then destine to be DQed as well simply for the act of propagating a DQ action? Will anyone win? Will any submission even become available for voting? Are we not all obligated to report ourselves for cheating when we copy an entry that was eliminated for cheating?
Okay, now I am getting confused... |
I understand what you are saying, however the logic may be off in this instance. The one DQ that can be overcome is the DQ for not being able to submit the original photo on time. Since these will be "new" photos the timestamp will change therefore you will be replicating an administrative DQ vice a technical DQ. (i.e. adding text when not allowed) BTW, since text is not allowed in this challenge not all DQ's can even be replicated. :) |
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09/26/2013 07:47:34 AM · #40 |
| Well, it's in. Not a dead-on replica of the original, that would be boring. Shouldn't be DQ'd. |
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09/26/2013 04:15:19 PM · #41 |
| does it have to be exact true copy of the original DQed image? |
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09/26/2013 04:40:56 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by pgirish007:
does it have to be exact true copy of the original DQed image? |
You're asking us to predict how people will vote? ;-)
I figure some people will be very picky ("person in a 1947 Ford under a Bartlett Pear tree with the sun 15° above the horizon"), others will just want it to match the general description ("person in an old car under a tree"). I'm sure most would consider my own entry closer to the latter category.
I don't know how many people will try to look up the originally-DQ'd photo for comparison before voting -- I'm guessing most people are too lazy to do that -- but if they do, I'm sure that the closer the match to the original the better. |
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09/26/2013 04:58:42 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by pgirish007:
does it have to be exact true copy of the original DQed image? |
Why do you feel it has to be an EXACT true copy of the original? I am not in any way attacking you with that question, rather curious as to why you feel it needs to be so.
The reason why I ask is looking back at past Deja Vu challenges - if it had to be an EXACT copy then Samantha T never would have done her tribute to one of Gyaban's photos in Deja Vu IV and smardaz would have never done his tribute to ScotterMcNutty's Red in Deja Vu IV. With those two examples it was a switch of man or woman in the shot. Take a look at the Brown Ribbon Deja Vu challenges for more examples - no '100% exact' copies but they do have one or several main elements in common.
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09/26/2013 05:03:40 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by CNovack:
Originally posted by pgirish007:
does it have to be exact true copy of the original DQed image? |
Why do you feel it has to be an EXACT true copy of the original? I am not in any way attacking you with that question, rather curious as to why you feel it needs to be so.
The reason why I ask is looking back at past Deja Vu challenges - if it had to be an EXACT copy then Samantha T never would have done her tribute to one of Gyaban's photos in Deja Vu IV and smardaz would have never done his tribute to ScotterMcNutty's Red in Deja Vu IV. With those two examples it was a switch of man or woman in the shot. Take a look at the Brown Ribbon Deja Vu challenges for more examples - no '100% exact' copies but they do have one or several main elements in common. |
Personally, I see this as more of a tribute challenge, where you should not strive to reproduce the original, but to exceed it in some way, while holding true to some of the elements from the original.
Just my take on it though, who knows what the voters will get up to.
Message edited by author 2013-09-26 17:14:54. |
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09/26/2013 05:11:34 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by CNovack:
Originally posted by pgirish007:
does it have to be exact true copy of the original DQed image? |
Why do you feel it has to be an EXACT true copy of the original? I am not in any way attacking you with that question, rather curious as to why you feel it needs to be so.
The reason why I ask is looking back at past Deja Vu challenges - if it had to be an EXACT copy then Samantha T never would have done her tribute to one of Gyaban's photos in Deja Vu IV and smardaz would have never done his tribute to ScotterMcNutty's Red in Deja Vu IV. With those two examples it was a switch of man or woman in the shot. Take a look at the Brown Ribbon Deja Vu challenges for more examples - no '100% exact' copies but they do have one or several main elements in common. |
Personally, I see this as more of a tribute challenge, where you should no strive to reproduce the original, but to exceed it in some way, while holding true to some of the elements from the original.
Just my take on it though, who knows what the voters will get up to. |
Exactly, the longer I am here the more firm is the mantra:
You can NEVER truly predict how people will vote nor can you count on it being the same exact group of voters consistently each and every challenge. You will have a different mix every time where what works for one doesn't work for the other. If you hold back because it is not 100% EXACTLY true to original down to the hair or molecule placement:-) then one is holding themselves back in exploring new techniques or ways of seeing/presenting their vision. Just my two cents, and I'd hate to see someone not enter something they worked on and done a fabulous job where it is not 100% exact.
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09/26/2013 05:13:13 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by CNovack:
Originally posted by pgirish007:
does it have to be exact true copy of the original DQed image? |
Why do you feel it has to be an EXACT true copy of the original? I am not in any way attacking you with that question, rather curious as to why you feel it needs to be so.
The reason why I ask is looking back at past Deja Vu challenges - if it had to be an EXACT copy then Samantha T never would have done her tribute to one of Gyaban's photos in Deja Vu IV and smardaz would have never done his tribute to ScotterMcNutty's Red in Deja Vu IV. With those two examples it was a switch of man or woman in the shot. Take a look at the Brown Ribbon Deja Vu challenges for more examples - no '100% exact' copies but they do have one or several main elements in common. |
Personally, I see this as more of a tribute challenge, where you should no strive to reproduce the original, but to exceed it in some way, while holding true to some of the elements from the original.
Just my take on it though, who knows what the voters will get up to. |
got the point! |
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09/26/2013 05:27:44 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by Cory:
... you should not strive to reproduce the original, but to exceed it in some way, while holding true to some of the elements from the original. |
I doubt mine will "exceed" the original, but it won't get DQ'd. |
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09/26/2013 05:34:52 PM · #48 |
I just went looking for a DQ'd photo similar to one that I took in the past week. It's really just the same subject, so ill probably get killed on the score.
Message edited by author 2013-09-26 17:36:57. |
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09/26/2013 05:37:23 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by larryslights:
I just went looking for a DQ'd photo similar to one that I took in the past week. It's really just the same subject, so ill probably get killed on the score. |
Oh man, that sounds like more work than doing it the other way around LOL |
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09/26/2013 08:19:42 PM · #50 |
| I'm in with a tribute to one of my heroes. |
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