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Canon EF 85mm f/1.2L II USM

07/16/2013 01:08:47 PM · #1

since we are back in the spirit of locking things, i feel its appropriate.

Cory

Canon EOS-1D Mark IV

07/16/2013 01:12:47 PM · #2

Gotta say, great challenge suggestion.

It'd still be great even if it wasn't relevant and funny.

Message edited by author 2013-07-16 13:13:16.

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

07/16/2013 01:39:29 PM · #3

Originally posted by Mike:

since we are back in the spirit of locking things, i feel its appropriate.

What would you rather happened? How would you have dealt with it?

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

07/16/2013 01:44:04 PM · #4

Frisca, most of the time all we see is the relatively small number of people actively engaged in threads like that. It would be interesting if you could share with us how many tickets SC received regarding posts to that thread, or requesting that it be locked.

07/16/2013 01:45:07 PM · #5

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

I received 9 7 reported posts spread over 3 posts for that thread, plus one ticket imploring it's closure.

Message edited by author 2013-07-16 17:17:30.

07/16/2013 01:51:46 PM · #6

its seems its easier to close the thread than to deal with the behavior that causes the lock.

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

07/16/2013 01:54:48 PM · #7

Originally posted by Mike:

its seems its easier to close the thread than to deal with the behavior that causes the lock.

We always do both. Also, there is nothing to stop you or anyone else from starting a new thread on the topic or continuing the discussion. That particular thread had begun to seriously devolve and I didn't see any further good in it. Reasonable minds will differ, however.

Message edited by author 2013-07-16 14:00:09.

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

07/16/2013 02:10:47 PM · #8

Originally posted by Mike:

its seems its easier to close the thread than to deal with the behavior that causes the lock.

If we attempt to "deal with the behavior" and the behavior doesn't change, I see only two further options: suspend the offender or lock the thread. We (SC) are sure to be trashed for executing either of those options. Personally, I'd welcome any suggestion for another course of action ...

I'm also pretty certain that the increasing quantity and stridency of interpersonal insults are proving dispiriting to current members and a potential turn-off to any new ones.

Message edited by author 2013-07-16 14:29:50.

Art Roflmao

Canon EOS-6D Mark II

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

07/16/2013 02:20:40 PM · #9

How many "reports" against posts are based more on the reporter disagreeing with the post, rather than being a legitimate report of a violation of the TOS? Seems to me that the reports are selective or selectively considered/enforced. Also, Rant can be ignored completely and by it's nature can get heated. Locking threads in Rant should be an absolute last resort, IMO. It's also my opinion that when the SC is actively engaged in the discussion, thread-locking and post deleting has been used as a way to shut down or censor the discussion. There was no reason to delete the last two posts to that thread before it was locked.

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

07/16/2013 02:28:50 PM · #10

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Locking threads in Rant should be an absolute last resort, IMO.

It is.

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

It's also my opinion that when the SC is actively engaged in the discussion, thread-locking and post deleting has been used as a way to shut down or censor the discussion.

It's not.

Most of the time, the person locking the thread is/has not been significantly engaged in the discussion, and is basing the decision solely on the Forum Rules (which still apply to Rant threads), and it's typically only done after repeated requests for people to self-edit to conform with the Rules/TOS, or the thread has veered far from the posted topic*. As was pointed out earlier, it's easy to start over with a civilized discussion in a new thread.

*like this one ...

Message edited by author 2013-07-16 14:30:26.

Canon EF 85mm f/1.2L II USM

07/16/2013 02:43:42 PM · #11

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

I *explained in an apologetic manner* to you in private message WHY I deleted my last post and your quote of my postt -- so I would not be seen as having the "last word" and then locking the thread. And now you accuse me of the same? I will be frank and say your response here shocks and hurts. I locked the thread to prevent further damage to affected parties.

Cory

Canon EOS-1D Mark IV

07/16/2013 02:45:18 PM · #12

Originally posted by frisca:

Originally posted by Mike:
its seems its easier to close the thread than to deal with the behavior that causes the lock.

We always do both. Also, there is nothing to stop you or anyone else from starting a new thread on the topic or continuing the discussion. That particular thread had begun to seriously devolve and I didn't see any further good in it. Reasonable minds will differ, however.

Oh heck, I was "the" party in that, and I fully support your actions Frisca - no reason to not close that up, it had clearly devolved.

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

07/16/2013 02:59:53 PM · #13

a simple warning to effect of "get this thread back on track or we will be forced to close it". if it continued to devolve then lock, but this out of the blue locking just irks me.

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

07/16/2013 03:07:22 PM · #14

Originally posted by Mike:

a simple warning to effect of "get this thread back on track or we will be forced to close it". if it continued to devolve then lock, but this out of the blue locking just irks me.

I think we usually (try to) do that. Sometimes, it's gotten wildly out of hand before anyone has had a chance to post a warning like that. I suppose the person locking the thread could first add a message to the effect of "This thread has gotten out of hand and cannot be rescued. If you want to continue the discussion within the bounds of the TOS and Forum Rules please start a new thread. Thank you." ... but it seems that one could also consider that the "default" state of the site ...

Canon EF-S 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5 USM

07/16/2013 03:24:54 PM · #15

that's fine, abruptly locking just seems, i dont know, heavy handed.

cowboy221977

Canon EOS-60D

07/16/2013 03:26:14 PM · #16

The sc genraly posts a warning or pm an offender if rules are being broken. I have seen that many times

07/16/2013 04:11:38 PM · #17

I'm happy to explain myself: I was the only SC online for some time when the thread came to my attention. Sadly, it was a thread I was actively participating in, so it wasn't much of an option for me to moderate it. Given the volume of reported posts, and the movement of the thread, I thought the best course was to lock it, and allow others to handle anything else that needed to happen. Locking without a message allows us to re-open without putting our foots in our mouths and gives us time to form our thoughts and post when thoughtful rather than reactionary.

By the way, what has stopped any of you from re-starting the discussion? You can even "quote" a post you want to reply (via copy paste) and go from there.

07/16/2013 04:29:30 PM · #18

Originally posted by frisca:

By the way, what has stopped any of you from re-starting the discussion? You can even "quote" a post you want to reply (via copy paste) and go from there.

honestly? i thought it would be frowned upon that i was restarting a thread that was locked.