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Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

07/15/2013 08:13:16 AM · #3

so, the texture must be an image you personally have in your possession, and not a texture that is incorporated into a program, such as SnapSeed or iColorama?

i'll submit a ticket to the SC to get clarification and post what they send me here.

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

07/15/2013 08:40:20 AM · #4

Originally posted by mefnj:

"Does not meet the source or date requirements" = someone else can have created the texture image, and it doesn't matter how old it is.

vawendy

Sony Alpha 1

Sony FE 200-600mm f/5.6-6.3 G OSS

07/15/2013 09:44:01 AM · #5

Weren't mobile phone apps an issue, though? SC -- could we have a ruling on that part? I thought that there was an issue with those, somehow...

07/19/2013 02:27:54 PM · #6

in response to this question to the SC regarding textures

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hello. just wanted to ask a clarification question on the current Retro challenge

Extra Rules: You may use a single image that does not meet the source or date
requirements as an overlaid texture. This single image must function specifically as
textures and not to circumvent other rules within the advanced editing rule set.

The Extra Rule allows a texture overlay with a photo not meeting the source or date
requirements. Some of the many editing programs have inbedded texture overlays in them
for which the texture is not a separate photo file (at least to my knowledge).
Therefore, the texture photo may not be accessible for upload during a validation. Also,
it is possible to generate textures digitally from scratch, again resulting in no actual
photo file.

Could you please advise/clarify whether the texture MUST be a separate photo file, or
weather using inbedded textures or digital textures generated from scratch is acceptable
for this challenge under the Extra Rule?

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i received this reply from frisca

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Hi Mark,

you're right -- it isn't clear. I would personally say the extra rule allows what you
have described by implication, but I cannot speak officially as this matter has not been
discussed by SC. We may not be able to respond on the general question very quickly, but
if you choose to use built-in textures, please contact us with a copy of your entry and
original and we'll give you a specific ruling.

Regards,

Frisca
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not sure if that clarifies or muddifies... ;-)

-m

07/19/2013 03:21:22 PM · #7

I just submitted an image to get a ruling on the possible legality of using a filter in one of my iPad's editing programs. Not Snapseed, but works the same way the vintage and grunge filters work there. Which is in the spirit of the challenge, I think, but may not be legal, anyway :-)

I'll let everyone know the ruling if SC can get to it in time, since it sounds like others might be thinking of using the same sort of technique.

07/19/2013 05:33:30 PM · #8

Originally posted by MaryO:

thanks Mary. keep us posted.

interestingly, AFTER i had submitted my question to the SC, I started poking around on my desktop version of SnapSeed and actually found the images the program uses for retro/grunge... they are jpegs, so i guess if i needed to i could upload them during a validation request.

although quite cryptic, i wouldn't be surprised if other ipad apps also have the textures stored in the ipad somewhere, too.

-m

Panasonic Leica DG Vario-Elmarit 8-18mm f/2.8-4 ASPH

07/19/2013 05:44:34 PM · #9

Spare me from trying to find files on an iPad!! Apple really hates that sort of prying ;-)

ThingFish

Olympus OM-D E-M5

07/20/2013 05:43:44 AM · #10

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Message edited by author 2013-07-20 05:51:23.

Denielle

Canon EOS-7D Mark II

Canon EF-S 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM

07/20/2013 10:16:58 AM · #11

Got some AWESOME ideas for this challenge! Hopefully my vision will match up with the final product!
We will see. It will take some effort... but I am super excited about shooting it today!!! :)

sfalice

Canon PowerShot SX60 HS

07/20/2013 03:01:52 PM · #12

Remember we have a pretty grand library of textures on site,

here and here.

Denielle

Canon EOS-7D Mark II

Canon EF-S 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM

07/20/2013 09:23:12 PM · #13

Just submitted my Retro entry. LOVE LOVE LOVE the final result. It turned out even better than I had expected. That's always a plus in my book!

I'm sure after voting begins I will see areas that I could have improved upon. But for now, I'm loving it! :)

Can't wait for the challenge to start and see the awesome entries.

giantmike

Canon EOS R6

Canon EF 100mm f/2.8L Macro IS USM

07/20/2013 10:45:48 PM · #14

Originally posted by Denielle:

It's fun to see this excitement :)
I too am extremely happy with my end result. It's 100% exactly as I planned it out to be, which doesn't happen often (although it's been more frequent).

I look forward to being on the front page with you ;-)

docpjv

Fujifilm X-E1

Fujifilm XF 18-55mm f/2.8-4 OIS

07/21/2013 05:10:21 AM · #15

My image is my promise of the brown, no doubt. Never had a brown. Love it, surely fits the bill but it ain't no eye-candy. Let's watch the ancient history of rise and fall repeat itself.

07/21/2013 08:17:23 AM · #16

SC hasn't had a chance to review my image yet, so for now I've got a non-iPad version in. Still think I like the iPad one better, but I did find a texture I liked well enough in the Texture Library here. Interesting to play around with different textures and see how they change the mood of the image.

07/21/2013 10:26:13 AM · #17

Originally posted by MaryO:

Mary,

I am using iColorama on iPad. It has some good textures in its texture and grunge filters, and I have found the texture images on my iPad using iFile (my iPad is jail broke, so I can look deeper into the file system). If you found something in iColorama you wanted to use, please let me know and I can forward you the texture image as backup.

-m

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

07/21/2013 02:37:25 PM · #18

anyone have a feeling if using an effects filter called "Flated" would likely be legal... it is a color/brightness/contrast effect that seems to work by taking the dominant color in a given area and making the whole area a single color, and removes basically all texture and details in the area... looks like rough painting, but no brush strokes, etc.

seems to be a very popular look in the 60's, like warhol-esque

//artsconnected.org/media/75/be/c9fa64dd9456dc024093b920c430/1024/768/103414.jpg

//www.worldofstock.com/slides/PAB1777.jpg

-m

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

07/21/2013 03:14:24 PM · #19

Originally posted by mefnj:

I have no opinion about whether it's DPC-legal or not, but I think you can try achieving a similar effect by changing the mode to Indexed Color and setting the number of colors really low (e.g. between 4-12); it should create blobs of solid colors ...

07/21/2013 03:28:34 PM · #20

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by mefnj:
anyone have a feeling if using an effects filter called "Flated" would likely be legal... it is a color/brightness/contrast effect that seems to work by taking the dominant color in a given area and making the whole area a single color, and removes basically all texture and details in the area... looks like rough painting, but no brush strokes, etc.

seems to be a very popular look in the 60's, like warhol-esque

//artsconnected.org/media/75/be/c9fa64dd9456dc024093b920c430/1024/768/103414.jpg

//www.worldofstock.com/slides/PAB1777.jpg

-m

I have no opinion about whether it's DPC-legal or not, but I think you can try achieving a similar effect by changing the mode to Indexed Color and setting the number of colors really low (e.g. between 4-12); it should create blobs of solid colors ...

hmmm.. interesting approach. i'm assuming that kind of color manipulation is legal, in the same light that conversion to greyscale is

thanks,
-m

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

07/21/2013 03:52:12 PM · #21

Originally posted by mefnj:

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by mefnj:
anyone have a feeling if using an effects filter called "Flated" would likely be legal... it is a color/brightness/contrast effect that seems to work by taking the dominant color in a given area and making the whole area a single color, and removes basically all texture and details in the area... looks like rough painting, but no brush strokes, etc.

seems to be a very popular look in the 60's, like warhol-esque

//artsconnected.org/media/75/be/c9fa64dd9456dc024093b920c430/1024/768/103414.jpg

//www.worldofstock.com/slides/PAB1777.jpg

-m

I have no opinion about whether it's DPC-legal or not, but I think you can try achieving a similar effect by changing the mode to Indexed Color and setting the number of colors really low (e.g. between 4-12); it should create blobs of solid colors ...

hmmm.. interesting approach. i'm assuming that kind of color manipulation is legal, in the same light that conversion to greyscale is

thanks,
-m

just playing around, and it looks like the standard posterize function also reduces the colors quite will, so i am assuming that will be legal

-m

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

07/21/2013 04:31:57 PM · #22

Right -- I forgot that Posterize does much the same thing while staying in RGB mode. You can also sometme get a similar effect by playing around with Curves:

The background of this

started with this

Cory

Canon EOS-1D Mark IV

Canon EF 85mm f/1.2L II USM

07/21/2013 04:36:56 PM · #23

I would absolutely ask SC to evaluate the legality of such images, since I think they run afoul of two rules in Advanced.

You may not-
--use ANY editing technique to create new image area, objects or features (such as lens flare or motion) that didn't already exist in your original capture(s).

--use distortions to create new effects or radically alter objects.

07/21/2013 04:41:51 PM · #24

Originally posted by mefnj:

Originally posted by MaryO:
SC hasn't had a chance to review my image yet, so for now I've got a non-iPad version in. Still think I like the iPad one better, but I did find a texture I liked well enough in the Texture Library here. Interesting to play around with different textures and see how they change the mood of the image.

Mary,

I am using iColorama on iPad. It has some good textures in its texture and grunge filters, and I have found the texture images on my iPad using iFile (my iPad is jail broke, so I can look deeper into the file system). If you found something in iColorama you wanted to use, please let me know and I can forward you the texture image as backup.

-m

Appreciate the offer, but it was a different program and I decided to use a PC-based edit so I've got both files. IOW, in the absence of a definitive ruling I chickened out . Note: not upset that I didn't hear back, since I waited till pretty late in the game to ask about the legality of my previous edits. Should've thought to ask much earlier in the week.