Month long free studies every month please

09/03/2004 04:25:33 PM · #1

Can we have a month long free study challenge every month open to everyone (or at least members)? I always enjoyed those and it's a great place to share your favorite shot of the month and not worry about meeting the challenge. Although someone did comment that my photo didn't meet the challenge in last June's free study (I'm pretty sure he was kidding).

Note: although this suggestion is inspired by the master's challenge, it is not a comment on it. Please, if you want to discuss pros and cons about ribbon only challenges and/or no ribbon challenges, there are threads for each.

Trinch

Canon EOS-40D

09/03/2004 04:32:00 PM · #2

Never mind. I am 6 months too late with this idea....

other thread

(Although it does seam like most people were supporting the idea. Maybe this will act as a reminder to the powers that be.

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

09/03/2004 04:37:12 PM · #3

And this thread.
Looks like a waste of time continuously asking for this. :-(

soup

Canon EOS-30D

09/03/2004 04:52:33 PM · #4

EddyG will tell you its on the 'to do' list
i think that's who is keeping track anyhow...

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

09/03/2004 05:01:30 PM · #5

It hasn't been done because members of the council actively don't want it... not because it's way down on a list.

soup

Canon EOS-30D

09/03/2004 05:02:51 PM · #6

and you're sure?

Canon EF 70-200mm f/4.0L USM

09/03/2004 05:09:24 PM · #7

That's the impression I've got in the many forum threads about this. Please can someone give us a definite?

nborton

Canon EOS-1D Mark II

09/03/2004 06:19:28 PM · #8

just a thought on monthly open challenges. while i like having them periodically, i can forsee a problem having them monthly.

people will naturally put their best monthly shot in the monthly open challenge. due to this, the other theme based challenges will suffer, because people will hold back really good shots for the monthly challenge instead of placing them in the weekly challenges they were taken for.

i don't think this is a current problem with past open challenges, but if there was any regularity of the open challenges i think the weekly ones would suffer.

Konador

Canon EOS-500D Rebel T1i

09/03/2004 06:21:45 PM · #9

Give someone an inch, and they want a mile... or however the saying goes. This time last year there had never been one single month long challenge.

Canon RF 24-70mm f/2.8 L IS

09/03/2004 06:31:01 PM · #10

Originally posted by Konador:

Give someone an inch, and they want a mile... or however the saying goes. This time last year there had never been one single month long challenge.

I find this comment hugely patronising and unwarranted. What's wrong with the site evolving into a better place? How about some respect for the members?

kirbic

Canon EOS R5

09/03/2004 06:40:58 PM · #11

Originally posted by BobsterLobster:

It hasn't been done because members of the council actively don't want it... not because it's way down on a list.

Well, not exactly. I reviewed the SC discussion on this; there are some who would support it and others who would not. There are valid arguments on both sides. And to add to that, we're not the last word.
BobsterLobster, in general you've been very vocal in making your opinions known, and there's nothing wrong with that. Please, however, do remember that there are a lot of things that need to be considered when considerng implementation of new features. SC does the best we can to review possible scenarios and try to assure that we don't create more problems than we solve as we make site changes.

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

09/03/2004 06:41:17 PM · #12

Originally posted by BobsterLobster:

Originally posted by Konador:
Give someone an inch, and they want a mile... or however the saying goes. This time last year there had never been one single month long challenge.

I find this comment hugely patronising and unwarranted. What's wrong with the site evolving into a better place? How about some respect for the members?

How about some respect back? The admins TRY something for the VERY FIRST TIME and are attacked all over the place and forced to issue an APOLOGY. I think that's BS myself ... had the concerns about this been raised in a reasonable way all this vitriol could have been avoided. Instead an atmosphere of stridency has been created by "demands" that people be treated "fairly."

I don't think the admins or myself deserved that from the get-go, but if we are to "engage in personalities" as they say in lawyer-speak, I'm sure gonna dish out as good as I get ... I have many opinions unpopular around here, but I'm not stupid and I'm not unfair, so any statements in that direction may call into question the validity of any accompanying comments.

Sorry if that seems patronizing. : (

09/03/2004 06:49:34 PM · #13

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by BobsterLobster:

Originally posted by Konador:
Give someone an inch, and they want a mile... or however the saying goes. This time last year there had never been one single month long challenge.

I find this comment hugely patronising and unwarranted. What's wrong with the site evolving into a better place? How about some respect for the members?

How about some respect back? The admins TRY something for the VERY FIRST TIME and are attacked all over the place and forced to issue an APOLOGY. I think that's BS myself ... had the concerns about this been raised in a reasonable way all this vitriol could have been avoided. Instead an atmosphere of stridency has been created by "demands" that people be treated "fairly."

I don't think the admins or myself deserved that from the get-go, but if we are to "engage in personalities" as they say in lawyer-speak, I'm sure gonna dish out as good as I get ... I have many opinions unpopular around here, but I'm not stupid and I'm not unfair, so any statements in that direction may call into question the validity of any accompanying comments.

Sorry if that seems patronizing. : (

GeneralE... I think on the whole that the council get a lot of respect. I really tried to put into words why I thought people in general were so unhappy about the master challenge. It's not even in my best interests, as I can take part in it. I'm really standing up for people with no ribbons who want a free challenge.
Instead of logical and reasoned arguments, I receive comments more applicable from an authoritarian parent to an errant child. I believe this is out of order. The unhappiness in the other thread by the majority of the people has nothing to do with Konador's patronising parental comment in this thread which I object to.

09/03/2004 06:51:13 PM · #14

Originally posted by kirbic:

Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
It hasn't been done because members of the council actively don't want it... not because it's way down on a list.

Well, not exactly. I reviewed the SC discussion on this; there are some who would support it and others who would not. There are valid arguments on both sides. And to add to that, we're not the last word.
BobsterLobster, in general you've been very vocal in making your opinions known, and there's nothing wrong with that. Please, however, do remember that there are a lot of things that need to be considered when considerng implementation of new features. SC does the best we can to review possible scenarios and try to assure that we don't create more problems than we solve as we make site changes.

I don't mind being patient, as long as we know what's going on and feel listened to. I know everyone is busy and doing the best they can... just treat us with respect.

Konador

Canon EOS-500D Rebel T1i

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6

09/03/2004 06:51:38 PM · #15

Originally posted by BobsterLobster:

Sorry, it was just meant to be a friendly comment and observation. If you read my post in the other thread, I've explained why this change that you obviously are very passionate about hasnt been implemented.

What's wrong with being cautious before making changes that could potentially make the site a better place, but could also make it a worse place? To me you seem so strong about your views that you haven't considered other peoples views and worries about negative effects it could have. You seem to have the view of "It will be good, there is no doubt about it", even though there is obviously some doubt or it would have been done by now, and noone would disagree with you.

Message edited by author 2004-09-03 18:54:05.

bledford

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

09/03/2004 06:54:00 PM · #16

I have a solution to all of this. Make BobsterLobster a member of Site Council.

soup

Canon EOS-30D

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

09/03/2004 06:54:10 PM · #17

they have month long challenges at betterphoto.com every month...

i'm content with that. so either way to me on this subject.

lots of anti-talk going around today.

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D

09/03/2004 07:17:23 PM · #18

Originally posted by Konador:

I'm sorry if I've given the impression that I haven't considered other people at any point... I just try to be an active member of this community for the better. If I feel I'm not being listened to, I will carry on trying to communicate until someone listens to me. That can get quite frustrating here sometimes.
DPC does seem to move extremelly slowly... in one year how many changes have happened here? How long is the list of improvements? How many of those are ever carried out?
Don't get me wrong, I know everyone is very busy... but there must be some solutions to make things go forwards. I'd be willing to pay more for my membership for example. But it's difficult to consider other people's feelings and thoughts if no-one communicates back effectively with my questions. All I was doing here was standing up for the people without ribbons... I'm not even that passionate about this particular issue. I am passionate about this community and making it better though.

Bob

frisca

Nikon D70

09/03/2004 07:50:40 PM · #19

Here's a question that I'm going to pose not having read this whole thread, but it is a thought that occurred to me while reading the forums today:

What if you made a suggestion for a change to DPC or an addition and you had a million good reasons for it, but the admin disagreed? What would you do? And the admins took your suggestion to heart, but just disagreed and chose not to implement your change.

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D

09/03/2004 07:55:01 PM · #20

Happens all the time, constantly. Usually shrug it off, and continue. If I knew the admins took the suggestion to heart, then I wouldn't give it a second thought. Sometimes, I get the feeling that people make their minds up without hearing the reasons. Then I feel the need to make sure they're heard.
I'm glad you asked such a good question!

frisca

Nikon D70

09/03/2004 07:58:28 PM · #21

I think I see where you are coming from, Bob. :) Thank you for your response.

elsapo

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Canon EF 50mm f1.2L

09/03/2004 08:00:57 PM · #22

maybe one every other month?...or one for summer, one for fall, one for winter, and one for spring

Canon EOS-20D

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

09/03/2004 08:09:28 PM · #23

I think you can rest assured that you are being heard. With 17 of us trolling the forums fairly constantly, it'd be hard to miss something and we generally address even the most minor issues. The position of site council isn't so that we can make sure DPC works exactly the way we want it to...we make our best effort to be the voice of the entire membership (and by that I mean paid and unpaid members). I understand that it may sometimes be hard to see or understand the reasoning behind why something does or does not happen but please know that we are all doing what we can and not on a self-serving basis.

As far as what you can do to speed things up...contribute a decent yearly salary for Drew and Langdon so that they can quit their incoming-earning jobs and working 100% on DPC. Until then...just hang in there. :)