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06/20/2013 06:19:27 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by atupdate:
Originally posted by Cory:
It makes nice campfires. And I'm hoping to try some photography with it - there's an old photo of a water skier who's holding a rod with two mag bits burning on the ends.
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You will find that it is very difficult to get a large piece of magnesium to burn unless the flame is significantly larger than the piece. Shavings and powder burn very easily but chunks not so much. As a metallurgist, I have worked with magnesium parts and have a VHS tape showing a VW Bug on fire and it had a mag engine block. The block never did burn.
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You're absolutely right! It has proven difficult to light anything over a 1/4 inch thick - even using a torch.
Fortunately, a good bit of this is 1/4 inch. :) |
If you want to enhance the burn, add a little water.
Tim |
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06/20/2013 06:52:43 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by atupdate:
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by atupdate:
Originally posted by Cory:
It makes nice campfires. And I'm hoping to try some photography with it - there's an old photo of a water skier who's holding a rod with two mag bits burning on the ends.
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You will find that it is very difficult to get a large piece of magnesium to burn unless the flame is significantly larger than the piece. Shavings and powder burn very easily but chunks not so much. As a metallurgist, I have worked with magnesium parts and have a VHS tape showing a VW Bug on fire and it had a mag engine block. The block never did burn.
Tim |
You're absolutely right! It has proven difficult to light anything over a 1/4 inch thick - even using a torch.
Fortunately, a good bit of this is 1/4 inch. :) |
If you want to enhance the burn, add a little water.
Tim |
Works a champ! Not too much though, learned that lesson the hard way.
So, any tips on getting the bigger bits to fire up?
Message edited by author 2013-06-20 18:53:43. |
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06/20/2013 07:24:09 PM · #28 |
| Turn them into shavings somehow. I used to rebuild VW motors and when we did a line bore for the main bearings we would take the shavings and light them up. Damn hot fire and impossible to put out without a special extinguisher (metal fire). |
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06/20/2013 08:00:31 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by kawesttex:
Turn them into shavings somehow. I used to rebuild VW motors and when we did a line bore for the main bearings we would take the shavings and light them up. Damn hot fire and impossible to put out without a special extinguisher (metal fire). |
Far too practical. :) |
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06/21/2013 05:56:55 PM · #30 |
Cory, I am currently in Beijing for two days but when I get back to Toronto on Sunday I will go flying my Cessna one day next week. I will bring my camera along and snap a few images of the CF-101 for you and of the underbelly of the fuselage to see if I can find the parts from you photos. I will post them if I find anything relevant. Michael
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by Morgan:
All seem to be parts from the underbelly of the fuselage. What is the issue? Why are you interested? Why not just go find a CF-101 and take some pictures of it, they are in bone-yards all over Canada.
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:)
Just curiosity of course - and a bit of a game for us who are slightly bored, and interested, to play.
As for the importance? Absolutely zero - this magnesium will be magnesium no matter what airframe it was once a part of.
And while going to Canada does sound like a wonderful idea, I'm pretty confident that this was a US version of that bird, so if I was going to go searching boneyards, I'd probably start stateside. :)
I'll keep looking at pictures seeing if I can place that trim, those vents, and a triangular bit of windscreen frame.
The voodoo is soo close, I want to think this is it, but I just can't find any pictures showing these features. |
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06/21/2013 06:02:41 PM · #31 |
Hi Susan, how are you? I have not been up your way lately. I fly my plane into Smiths Falls and Carp airports to meet friends for coffee some days, but turn around and fly back home the same day. I have been taking the motorhome to Prince Edward County for the past three years in September to taste wine and cheese from the local artisans. I love the county, the restaurants and the crafts from this region of the St. Lawrence River, it is a wonderful vacation spot. As well, during the summer in July, I now head off to Oshkosh, Wisconsin for a major aviation (AirVenture) event for two weeks during the same time that I use to go to your area of the Province. So, I will need to plan a visit in the motorhome up your way one day. Michael
Originally posted by snaffles:
*waving* Hi Morgan! Good to see you're still kicking around! |
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06/21/2013 06:38:16 PM · #32 |
Hey Morgan! Hmm as it so happens the guy across the street from me has a couple of small airstrips, think he flies a Cessna or similar small plane...anyway googlearth Pattersons Corners, which is the intersection of Pattersons Corners Rd and O'Neill Rd, and that's where I am. You should be able to see two small airstrips located kittycorner to me.
Or if you know when you're next in Smiths Falls area and where you're having coffee, I could always meet you for a SF gtg...there's some trains and planes kickin around there :-) Anyway great to hear from you! *mwah*
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06/21/2013 08:41:16 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by Morgan:
Cory, I am currently in Beijing for two days but when I get back to Toronto on Sunday I will go flying my Cessna one day next week. I will bring my camera along and snap a few images of the CF-101 for you and of the underbelly of the fuselage to see if I can find the parts from you photos. I will post them if I find anything relevant. Michael
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Hey wow - too kind of you! Enjoy your flight. |
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06/21/2013 09:55:41 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by kawesttex:
Turn them into shavings somehow. I used to rebuild VW motors and when we did a line bore for the main bearings we would take the shavings and light them up. Damn hot fire and impossible to put out without a special extinguisher (metal fire). |
There was a truckload of Mg shavings that caught on fire on the Freeway in LA once, I know because I got stuck in the ensuing parking lot. The LAFD couldn't put it out, it burned through the concrete. Wicked stuff. |
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06/21/2013 09:56:49 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by kawesttex:
Turn them into shavings somehow. I used to rebuild VW motors and when we did a line bore for the main bearings we would take the shavings and light them up. Damn hot fire and impossible to put out without a special extinguisher (metal fire). |
There was a truckload of Mg shavings that caught on fire on the Freeway in LA once, I know because I got stuck in the ensuing parking lot. The LAFD couldn't put it out, it burned through the concrete. Wicked stuff. |
Of which I now have about a pound of.
Spent a very amusing hour with the neighbor's drill press. |
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06/21/2013 10:04:40 PM · #36 |
Interestingly, I just realized that canned air is fluorocarbons primarily, which are reactive to at least some degree.
I think I need to have some experiment time. :) Turns out Teflon has been used with Mg to make some interesting energetic materials. I'll have to be careful to just keep this down to small quantities, lest I accidentally create something dangerous here. :)
I know, I know, like I need to actually make this stuff MORE flammable. :)
Message edited by author 2013-06-21 22:08:31. |
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06/21/2013 10:32:36 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Interestingly, I just realized that canned air is fluorocarbons primarily, which are reactive to at least some degree.
I think I need to have some experiment time. :) Turns out Teflon has been used with Mg to make some interesting energetic materials. I'll have to be careful to just keep this down to small quantities, lest I accidentally create something dangerous here. :)
I know, I know, like I need to actually make this stuff MORE flammable. :) |
Seems like some scrap aluminum and rusty iron might be easier and cheaper to come by ... |
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06/21/2013 11:11:21 PM · #38 |
| Less challenging though, and too close to the beaten path for our madman-manque... |
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06/22/2013 12:19:24 AM · #39 |
Got an inch thick or so piece to go tonight. Wowie! What a light show.
Now I'm just hoping I don't wake up at 3am feeling like there's sand in my eyes. :) |
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06/22/2013 12:32:20 AM · #40 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Got an inch thick or so piece to go tonight. Wowie! What a light show.
Now I'm just hoping I don't wake up at 3am feeling like there's sand in my eyes. :) |
Or with manacles on your wrists. Reading a bit in that PDF there was a combo that might
react at 11,000 fps. Also I'd be a bit careful with certain freon compounds they might
decompose into a nerve gas at certain temps.
Oh yeah, on the stuff you bought, no pics, it didn't happen. Come on. We need pics!!! ;) |
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06/22/2013 12:40:54 AM · #41 |
Originally posted by Erastus:
Originally posted by Cory:
Got an inch thick or so piece to go tonight. Wowie! What a light show.
Now I'm just hoping I don't wake up at 3am feeling like there's sand in my eyes. :) |
Or with manacles on your wrists. Reading a bit in that PDF there was a combo that might
react at 11,000 fps. Also I'd be a bit careful with certain freon compounds they might
decompose into a nerve gas at certain temps.
Oh yeah, on the stuff you bought, no pics, it didn't happen. Come on. We need pics!!! ;) |
Heh... :)
I have a very good respirator, and I use it. :) P100 filters take most everything out. :)
I've gotta figure out a way to do photos while I play with this stuff, just always too busy playing to photograph. :)
Obviously being safe and keeping my head in the game is more important than the photos.
Really, what I need is a photographer. :D |
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07/02/2013 09:08:23 PM · #42 |
| Not even one snapshot. Who cares if it's blown out, snapshottish, rookieish, amateurish, etc. :-) |
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07/02/2013 09:41:15 PM · #43 |
Back in the day, a friend repaired a true magnesium rim with a tig welder. The repair was on the bead area for the tire.
When we ground the area smooth with an angle grinder, we managed to ignite it. We managed to get it out of the shop before we burned the whole place down. As mentioned, water does not put it out. We never tried that again. |
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08/14/2013 01:17:13 AM · #44 |
Used a couple dozen pounds to create this:
Wowee! What a fire. |
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