Aircraft ID help - US Military - 60's - Wrecked

06/19/2013 04:52:27 PM · #1

So, I managed to get a wonderful load of magnesium, but now I'm wondering what this bird was before it became scrap.

I've found some clues - it used wing servo amplification units, it used a huge amount of magnesium in the construction of the aircraft, a date inscribed says "Group #59 11-22-68", I've found one part with a BUWEPS logo, meaning this is likely a Navy aircraft, and given our proximity to the test ranges, and the condition of the material, I'm guessing this was a USN jet aircraft which was used as a test target at some point, then went into the ground hard and shattered in a pretty fascinating manner.

Of course, I got it for the magnesium - but now I'm curious about the history of this poor bird.

Anyone recognize the livery? I think the shape of the ports on the fuselage are probably diagnostic, but I'm not at all an expert in this area.

So - anyone up for the game? What the heck is it?

Message edited by author 2013-06-19 16:56:18.

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

06/19/2013 05:15:16 PM · #2

It looks like a Weber F101B according to the next to last picture! :-)
That would be the burner can.

I have access to NSNs so I will try and look up a couple of the part numbers and see if they give me an end item.

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

06/19/2013 05:19:26 PM · #3

I'm almost afraid to ask why you need "a huge amount of magnesium" ... ;-)

You remind me that "someplace" I may still have a set of plane ID flash-cards from when my dad was in the Navy.

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06/19/2013 05:36:18 PM · #4

A couple more shots, with some more #'s

snaffles

Nikon D7100

06/19/2013 05:36:33 PM · #5

You might want to try

Morgan, he knows something about planes.

cowboy221977

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Canon EF-S 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5 USM

06/19/2013 05:44:18 PM · #6

The need for a ton of magnesium. What are you up to Cory. That is very interesting...

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06/19/2013 05:51:14 PM · #7

Originally posted by kawesttex:

Hmm, I like your idea here, as I do see 101 commonly on these parts.

The thing that's strange is the number is 101E, which, if indicative of the model, the F101-E was a J-79 powered proposal that was never built.

BrennanOB

Canon EOS-1D Mark II

06/19/2013 05:51:19 PM · #8

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06/19/2013 05:54:36 PM · #9

Originally posted by cowboy221977:

The need for a ton of magnesium. What are you up to Cory. That is very interesting...

It makes nice campfires. And I'm hoping to try some photography with it - there's an old photo of a water skier who's holding a rod with two mag bits burning on the ends.

--

As far as the NSA monitoring this thread - hell, with half the stuff I get up to, I'd be seriously concerned if they weren't monitoring me.

06/19/2013 06:16:58 PM · #10

Originally posted by Cory:

Originally posted by kawesttex:
It looks like a Weber F101B according to the next to last picture! :-)
That would be the burner can.

I have access to NSNs so I will try and look up a couple of the part numbers and see if they give me an end item.

Hmm, I like your idea here, as I do see 101 commonly on these parts.

The thing that's strange is the number is 101E, which, if indicative of the model, the F101-E was a J-79 powered proposal that was never built.

Actually I was poking at the grill!! Didn't actually look close enough the first time to see 101. I do know the Air Force had an F101 but I don't know if it was a multi service aircraft.

06/19/2013 06:20:00 PM · #11

Originally posted by kawesttex:

Originally posted by Cory:

Originally posted by kawesttex:
It looks like a Weber F101B according to the next to last picture! :-)
That would be the burner can.

I have access to NSNs so I will try and look up a couple of the part numbers and see if they give me an end item.

Hmm, I like your idea here, as I do see 101 commonly on these parts.

The thing that's strange is the number is 101E, which, if indicative of the model, the F101-E was a J-79 powered proposal that was never built.

Actually I was poking at the grill!! Didn't actually look close enough the first time to see 101. I do know the Air Force had an F101 but I don't know if it was a multi service aircraft.

ROFL, that flew over my head at about mach 2.2... Of course, it doesn't help that the Voodoo really did use a Weber ejection seat.

Message edited by author 2013-06-19 18:23:41.

06/19/2013 06:49:29 PM · #12

Here's a set of numbers I was able to find.

BXM 1550921 101E
BXM 1561308
1550920 1
part no. 1729331-1R
1560257-101 B
9 7B1 681
1709261

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

06/19/2013 06:57:41 PM · #13

Originally posted by Cory:

Here's a set of numbers I was able to find.

BXM 1550921 101E
BXM 1561308
1550920 1
part no. 1729331-1R
1560257-101 B
9 7B1 681
1709261

Thanks for extracting those. I'll see what I can find in the morning.

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

06/19/2013 08:54:56 PM · #14

Originally posted by Cory:

... the F101-E was a J-79 powered proposal that was never built.

Maybe that's why they could afford to use the prototype for target practice.

CEJ

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF-S 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6 IS

06/19/2013 09:47:23 PM · #15

huh?...never mind

Message edited by author 2013-06-19 21:50:28.

Morgan

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06/19/2013 10:44:02 PM · #16

Yes, I agree, they are parts from a RCAF CF-101 Voodoo.

There are lots of these airplanes sitting at my local airport (Markham CNU8). If you use Google Earth and search on "Markham Airport CNU8" and then zoom in you will see many fighters sitting in the fields, there are some Sabres there too.

43Â°56'01.68" N 79Â°15'57.68" W

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06/19/2013 11:21:02 PM · #17

Hmm.

I'm having trouble placing this bit

Double scoops of that shape are really diagnostic, and I can't find an image of the Voodoo showing that bit of fuselage.

Also, this bit of trim (magnesium as well, amazingly enough) doesn't seem to appear anywhere on the Voodoo.

Any thoughts?

Also, there was a bit of windscreen frame that was riveted and looked more angular, and certainly much less canopy like - the voodoo doesn't seem to have that feature either.

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Morgan

Nikon D800

06/20/2013 05:42:38 AM · #18

All seem to be parts from the underbelly of the fuselage. What is the issue? Why are you interested? Why not just go find a CF-101 and take some pictures of it, they are in bone-yards all over Canada.

Originally posted by Cory:

Hmm.

I'm having trouble placing this bit

Double scoops of that shape are really diagnostic, and I can't find an image of the Voodoo showing that bit of fuselage.

Also, this bit of trim (magnesium as well, amazingly enough) doesn't seem to appear anywhere on the Voodoo.

Any thoughts?

Also, there was a bit of windscreen frame that was riveted and looked more angular, and certainly much less canopy like - the voodoo doesn't seem to have that feature either.

snaffles

Nikon D7100

Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II

06/20/2013 07:26:57 AM · #19

*waving* Hi Morgan! Good to see you're still kicking around!

06/20/2013 10:31:01 AM · #20

Originally posted by Morgan:

:)

Just curiosity of course - and a bit of a game for us who are slightly bored, and interested, to play.

As for the importance? Absolutely zero - this magnesium will be magnesium no matter what airframe it was once a part of.

And while going to Canada does sound like a wonderful idea, I'm pretty confident that this was a US version of that bird, so if I was going to go searching boneyards, I'd probably start stateside. :)

I'll keep looking at pictures seeing if I can place that trim, those vents, and a triangular bit of windscreen frame.

The voodoo is soo close, I want to think this is it, but I just can't find any pictures showing these features.

06/20/2013 11:10:57 AM · #21

None of the part numbers crossed to stock numbers.

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06/20/2013 11:26:16 AM · #22

Originally posted by kawesttex:

None of the part numbers crossed to stock numbers.

:) Thanks for giving it a shot.

No DB I've found has any of this either. :(

atupdate

Pentax K-R

06/20/2013 11:56:49 AM · #23

Originally posted by Cory:

It makes nice campfires. And I'm hoping to try some photography with it - there's an old photo of a water skier who's holding a rod with two mag bits burning on the ends.

You will find that it is very difficult to get a large piece of magnesium to burn unless the flame is significantly larger than the piece. Shavings and powder burn very easily but chunks not so much. As a metallurgist, I have worked with magnesium parts and have a VHS tape showing a VW Bug on fire and it had a mag engine block. The block never did burn.

Tim