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06/17/2013 08:57:39 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by Neat:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Rather than complain about the topics other users have suggested, why not use that energy to post some exciting topics yourself?
If you don't want to do that, you can set up a side-challenge with whatever topic* and rules* you want.
*ETA within site TOS and general member rules. |
I have put up on this site quite a few challenge suggestions some which have been surprisingly accepted but I'm still waiting for another 'fine arts' challenge! So if you could kindly pass that onto  Langdon I would be extremely happy.
Oh and tell him I said PLEASE! |
Possibly if the darn thread wasn't titled "Please it's been a while" Langdon would have a chance to know what the heck the thread is about.
In a perfect world he'd read the things - as it is? He seems to pick by skimming the titles of the last twenty or so suggestions, with some random forays into older stuff. |
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06/17/2013 10:00:46 PM · #27 |
| You know, if/when a suggested topic is put out as a challenge right away, it's a little unfair; those who have been thinking about it for a week (or already have an idea, which is why they're suggesting it!) or have been reading the challenge suggestion thread should have an advantage over those confronted with a topic idea for the first time at rollover. |
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06/17/2013 10:05:05 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
You know, if/when a suggested topic is put out as a challenge right away, it's a little unfair; those who have been thinking about it for a week (or already have an idea, which is why they're suggesting it!) or have been reading the challenge suggestion thread should have an advantage over those confronted with a topic idea for the first time at rollover. |
... or 24h before the submission deadline, in my case LOL |
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06/17/2013 10:45:13 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
You know, if/when a suggested topic is put out as a challenge right away, it's a little unfair; those who have been thinking about it for a week (or already have an idea, which is why they're suggesting it!) or have been reading the challenge suggestion thread should have an advantage over those confronted with a topic idea for the first time at rollover. |
I think you meant to send this to Langdon. |
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06/17/2013 11:17:46 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
You know, if/when a suggested topic is put out as a challenge right away, it's a little unfair; those who have been thinking about it for a week (or already have an idea, which is why they're suggesting it!) or have been reading the challenge suggestion thread should have an advantage over those confronted with a topic idea for the first time at rollover. |
Is Langdon the one who decides or do others on the SC get to choose? |
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06/17/2013 11:28:44 PM · #31 |
SC members can see the suggestions in the pool and edit the descriptions, but Langdon is the only one who can actually schedule/post the challenges.
Since SC members are free to paricipate in the challenges it would be especially unfair if we knew in advance which challenge is coming up next ... |
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06/17/2013 11:31:13 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
SC members can see the suggestions in the pool and edit the descriptions, but Langdon is the only one who can actually schedule/post the challenges.
Since SC members are free to paricipate in the challenges it would be especially unfair if we knew in advance which challenge is coming up next ... |
ok fair enough. |
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06/18/2013 07:54:28 AM · #33 |
| This is why Langdon just needs to make me challenge czar. |
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06/18/2013 09:44:23 AM · #34 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
Originally posted by snaffles:
So that leaves two options open: Either drink the purple Kool-Aid and shoot DPC-friendly Popular-Kidz style, and sacrifice your vision for the ribbons.
Or, continue to be a loner and stick to your principles and style, and continue to be underappreciated and robbed of ribbons, usually by a Popular Kid. And come up smiling when you do ribbon and beat the Popular Kidz at their own game, but on your terms. Y'know, to thine own self be true, blah blah blah.
Sooo...though it truly SUCKS to lose a ribbon to a PK, think I'll stick to NOT drinkin the purple Kool-Aid, thanks very much. |
FWIW, I have seen quite a few images ribbon recently that I thought were anything but the FotM (Flavor of the Month). So it is still possible. It's even possible to maintain a relatively high average when you only shoot for yourself. But yes, if your goal is to always be shooting for a ribbon, you have a point! |
True, and I am always glad to see noobs and people returning from an absence ribboning with non-FotM images. But it's always a much tougher task to ribbon when sticking true to your own less DPC-friendly style. Maybe it's time for a sabbatical. |
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06/18/2013 11:27:55 AM · #35 |
Why is it every time this subject comes up I can't help but envision an employee telling the boss why they think the new product line looks great in purple, never mind that the spec was for military gray. And then being subsequently baffled when the boss starts hurling shit at them on the way out the door.
You're here to do one of two things - either win challenges, or screw around.
If you're here to screw around, fantastic - relax and screw around.
If you're here to win challenges, then accept that winning challenges means that you'll need to please the masses, and avoid low votes. Doing that requires walking a fine line - and to expect anything less is just fantastically silly and perhaps even somewhat naive.
The problem comes in when people expect to screw around AND win challenges. I blame the soccer/football trophies. |
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06/18/2013 11:45:56 AM · #36 |
I think you have hit that nail firmly on the head Cory.
I have said it before, and no doubt I will say it again,you are a wonderful man. |
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06/18/2013 12:08:35 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Why is it every time this subject comes up I can't help but envision an employee telling the boss why they think the new product line looks great in purple, never mind that the spec was for military gray. And then being subsequently baffled when the boss starts hurling shit at them on the way out the door.
You're here to do one of two things - either win challenges, or screw around.
If you're here to screw around, fantastic - relax and screw around.
If you're here to win challenges, then accept that winning challenges means that you'll need to please the masses, and avoid low votes. Doing that requires walking a fine line - and to expect anything less is just fantastically silly and perhaps even somewhat naive.
The problem comes in when people expect to screw around AND win challenges. I blame the soccer/football trophies. |
And then afterwards the boss is baffled because the company went bust because hardly any of the military gray products sold. |
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06/18/2013 12:09:30 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by Tiny:
I think you have hit that nail firmly on the head Cory.
I have said it before, and no doubt I will say it again,you are a wonderful man. |
And you, my friend, are too kind. |
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06/18/2013 12:12:05 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by theFREDfactor:
Originally posted by Cory:
Why is it every time this subject comes up I can't help but envision an employee telling the boss why they think the new product line looks great in purple, never mind that the spec was for military gray. And then being subsequently baffled when the boss starts hurling shit at them on the way out the door.
You're here to do one of two things - either win challenges, or screw around.
If you're here to screw around, fantastic - relax and screw around.
If you're here to win challenges, then accept that winning challenges means that you'll need to please the masses, and avoid low votes. Doing that requires walking a fine line - and to expect anything less is just fantastically silly and perhaps even somewhat naive.
The problem comes in when people expect to screw around AND win challenges. I blame the soccer/football trophies. |
And then afterwards the boss is baffled because the company went bust because hardly any of the military gray products sold. |
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Do I understand you to be saying that the "DPC Style" is not liked by most people?
I think the fact that the images that win are popular is fairly self evident, so I can't quite see what you're driving at here. |
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06/18/2013 12:18:27 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by Cory:
You're here to do one of two things - either win challenges, or screw around.
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Personally I'm not here for either of those reasons. There are other valuable things to be gotten here. I get to see my images from other photographers viewpoints. There is assistance to be had just by asking for technical issues, or just HOW do I do that, or how do I make my business better, how do I make my images better.... Aside from the comradeship of a group of people with a similar interest and challenging yourself to come up with new ideas. It's not all screwing around.
I mean really, WINNING here is a little group of pixels on a page, it doesn't earn you any money. It's nothing more than a fleeting 5 minutes of fame, soon to be replaced with the next winner. The valuable part of here, is the people and knowledge they share.
That being said, I'm not drinking the purple kool-aid either, but I have some green kool-aid if anyone wants to share! |
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06/18/2013 12:28:47 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by chesire:
Originally posted by Cory:
You're here to do one of two things - either win challenges, or screw around.
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Personally I'm not here for either of those reasons. There are other valuable things to be gotten here. I get to see my images from other photographers viewpoints. There is assistance to be had just by asking for technical issues, or just HOW do I do that, or how do I make my business better, how do I make my images better.... Aside from the comradeship of a group of people with a similar interest and challenging yourself to come up with new ideas. It's not all screwing around.
I mean really, WINNING here is a little group of pixels on a page, it doesn't earn you any money. It's nothing more than a fleeting 5 minutes of fame, soon to be replaced with the next winner. The valuable part of here, is the people and knowledge they share.
That being said, I'm not drinking the purple kool-aid either, but I have some green kool-aid if anyone wants to share! |
FWIW I do like this site for all the reasons you mentioned, Chesire. I've learned a ton here and continue to do so. But I do get PO'd when the PKs, whose images are generally easy to guess, seem to ribbon more because they entered the challenge than because they entered a mind-blowing shot. Obviously I am a little bitter about this. Pass the green Kool-Aid. |
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06/18/2013 12:30:10 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by chesire:
Originally posted by Cory:
You're here to do one of two things - either win challenges, or screw around.
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Personally I'm not here for either of those reasons. There are other valuable things to be gotten here. I get to see my images from other photographers viewpoints. There is assistance to be had just by asking for technical issues, or just HOW do I do that, or how do I make my business better, how do I make my images better.... Aside from the comradeship of a group of people with a similar interest and challenging yourself to come up with new ideas. It's not all screwing around.
I mean really, WINNING here is a little group of pixels on a page, it doesn't earn you any money. It's nothing more than a fleeting 5 minutes of fame, soon to be replaced with the next winner. The valuable part of here, is the people and knowledge they share.
That being said, I'm not drinking the purple kool-aid either, but I have some green kool-aid if anyone wants to share! |
Totally love green kool-aid.
Seriously though, the learning is really important - but that's available to everyone, no matter what their motivations are in terms of entering challenges, and really, it's even available to those who choose to not enter challenges.
Indeed, I agree that the real value of DPC is the helpful folks with such a wonderful knowledge base. And yes, admittedly, I would put "Learn to shoot better photos, but don't try to win" in the "Screwing off" category, but that's probably somewhat unfair.
Of course, if you're attempting to use the challenges as a metric to measure your progress, clearly shooting DPC friendly images would be wise.
With all of that being said - DPC is not the only measure of success or progress and there are far more important real world indicators of success. And of course, you're right that these little pixels are just pixels. Although, to be fair, is a degree anything more than paper? They both indicate achievement, and are both something to be at least marginally proud of.
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06/18/2013 12:30:50 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by snaffles:
[...] Pass the green Kool-Aid. |
'ere. |
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06/18/2013 02:17:03 PM · #44 |
The only way DPC will lose its value is if people stop giving critical reviews, opinions, and honest advice. The tough challenge topics are sometimes less fun but perhaps more of a challenge I suppose.
DPC helped me realize how important all the components of a composition can be. It helped me in photography and design and had something to do with me being confident in being somewhat of an art critic as well. People here helped me understand why lenses can be both importatn and unimportant. This is coming from a person who took plenty of art classes and graduated with a BA in art - but I think I learned just as much from participating in these challenges (not that the site itself did that much really - it was also the drive to improve and the venue to display - as well as the critics to please LOL).
I was seeing people get ribbons and wondering why I was in the back or middle of the pack. The competitive, critical nature of the site synergized with my desire and excitement for interesting images.
It also sometimes had a strange effect on me: when I received low scores, I began to doubt my images that I would have otherwise thought were awesome. And then you have to ask yourself why you are shooting/ submitting, etc. Does the fact that the image that you love carries a score of 4.6 make it a worse image?
And sometimes the opposite was true - a good score on an image I thought was mediocre was an even more strange phenomenon.
There was a sweet spot in my life when DPC was one of the main hobbies I had. 3 kids later, I just can't squeeze it in.
Anyway, not that anyone really asked, but that was DPC in a very small nutshell.
I would like to say thanks to all those who contribute in a positive way!!! =)))
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06/18/2013 02:44:06 PM · #45 |
LOL â€Â¦ oh man there were a couple of months that pipe kept me up at night â€Â¦
Originally posted by Cory:
No way he's putting down the DPC-crackpipe though. |
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06/18/2013 02:56:05 PM · #46 |
Yeah who want's to shoot for the masses anyway? Waaaaaaaay too easy to ribbon that way.
I don't think I can get any more sarcastic than this. |
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06/18/2013 03:31:21 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by tate:
The only way DPC will lose its value is if people stop giving critical reviews, opinions, and honest advice. The tough challenge topics are sometimes less fun but perhaps more of a challenge I suppose.
DPC helped me realize how important all the components of a composition can be. It helped me in photography and design and had something to do with me being confident in being somewhat of an art critic as well. People here helped me understand why lenses can be both importatn and unimportant. This is coming from a person who took plenty of art classes and graduated with a BA in art - but I think I learned just as much from participating in these challenges (not that the site itself did that much really - it was also the drive to improve and the venue to display - as well as the critics to please LOL).
I was seeing people get ribbons and wondering why I was in the back or middle of the pack. The competitive, critical nature of the site synergized with my desire and excitement for interesting images.
It also sometimes had a strange effect on me: when I received low scores, I began to doubt my images that I would have otherwise thought were awesome. And then you have to ask yourself why you are shooting/ submitting, etc. Does the fact that the image that you love carries a score of 4.6 make it a worse image?
And sometimes the opposite was true - a good score on an image I thought was mediocre was an even more strange phenomenon.
There was a sweet spot in my life when DPC was one of the main hobbies I had. 3 kids later, I just can't squeeze it in.
Anyway, not that anyone really asked, but that was DPC in a very small nutshell.
I would like to say thanks to all those who contribute in a positive way!!! =))) |
Not to mention that wee bit of competitiveness in him that kept Captain  Tate's teams up in the top echelons of previous DPLs. Slavedriver, he was!
:) |
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06/18/2013 06:26:51 PM · #48 |
well, maybe the next TPL round will bring the fire back into eveyone's bosom! (he he he ... i said "bosom")
-m |
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06/18/2013 07:24:55 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by theFREDfactor:
Originally posted by Cory:
Why is it every time this subject comes up I can't help but envision an employee telling the boss why they think the new product line looks great in purple, never mind that the spec was for military gray. And then being subsequently baffled when the boss starts hurling shit at them on the way out the door.
You're here to do one of two things - either win challenges, or screw around.
If you're here to screw around, fantastic - relax and screw around.
If you're here to win challenges, then accept that winning challenges means that you'll need to please the masses, and avoid low votes. Doing that requires walking a fine line - and to expect anything less is just fantastically silly and perhaps even somewhat naive.
The problem comes in when people expect to screw around AND win challenges. I blame the soccer/football trophies. |
And then afterwards the boss is baffled because the company went bust because hardly any of the military gray products sold. |
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Do I understand you to be saying that the "DPC Style" is not liked by most people?
I think the fact that the images that win are popular is fairly self evident, so I can't quite see what you're driving at here. |
What I'm driving at? why nothing really :)...just relaxing and screwing around |
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06/18/2013 07:28:14 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by nygold:
Yeah who want's to shoot for the masses anyway? Waaaaaaaay too easy to ribbon that way.
I don't think I can get any more sarcastic than this. |
Want some green Kool-Aid?
Back to relaxing and screwing around... |
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