Canon 40D shutter death possibly?

05/28/2013 12:36:02 PM · #26

Originally posted by P-A-U-L:

I believe that is a full frame camera and I believe that requires some posh lenses which I can't afford to buy. I see the prices for a 5D Classic are very reasonable and comparable to 50D assuming I am looking at the right camera:)

It is full frame, that much is true.

However, your 50mm f/1.8 is just posh enough for that camera.

Lose the EF-s lens, and grab a cheap 28-135IS - it's the same effective focal length, and you should be able to basically do this for free, the lenses are both worth about $250 used.

You'll be FAR better off with a full frame body. The noise levels are astonishingly low, the 'feel' of the shots are just top notch, and the RAW files are mind bendingly beautiful.

But, don't just take my word for it - start a thread - "50D or 5D classic - which to buy?!" - You'll get a ton of feedback and perspective on this. (of course, if you're not up for the amusement, you could just search old threads - little doubt someone has asked almost the exact same question at some point)

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Canon RF 24-70mm f/2.8 L IS

05/29/2013 06:52:02 AM · #27

Thanks Cory - a full frame camera sounds very nice indeed.

I have read about dust issues with the 5D Classic and that it is prone to dust and has no self cleaning mechanism - is this something to be concerned about.

The 50D sounds great too even though I am not too fussed about video. I may well start a thread to try and get some additional opinions.

Currently I have no camera so I need to make a decision quickly:)

kirbic

Canon EOS R5

05/29/2013 09:20:44 AM · #28

Originally posted by P-A-U-L:

I have read about dust issues with the 5D Classic and that it is prone to dust and has no self cleaning mechanism - is this something to be concerned about.

It's true that dust seems to be more visible on the 5D sensor than on some earlier models. It's also true that there is no self-cleaning mechanism. For what it's worth, I don't put a lot of faith in self-cleaning. I know some of the early systems were quite ineffective. Some of the more recent are probably better, but there is no substitute for a good manual cleaning.
Care must be exercised with cleaning the 5D Classic sensor. The IR stop filter material is ITO (Indium Tin Oxide) and this coating is not very hard. Some early 5D Classics also had adhesion problems between the ITO and the glass.
The above should not scare you off of the 5D Classic, it is a great camera. It is still my primary camera, after what will be 8 years come September. I've done wet cleaning regularly (2-4 times per year) on this camera, and the coating is still in good shape.
While the 5D Classic is currently a great deal, do be mindful of the expense of future lens purchases. Good lenses for the 35mm frame do tend to be more expensive than for APS-C. But on the other hand, good values can be found in nearly all focal length ranges.

Tamron SP 24-70mm f/2.8 Di VC USD Canon Mount

05/29/2013 10:17:46 AM · #29

Thanks Kirbic

I must admit all the cleaning does sound a bit scary. I have never dared clean anything apart from the front of my lens and they both have UV filters on. The thought of cleaning anything inside the camera is pretty scary. Perhaps it is not as fragile an area as it looks.

Out of interest, if a 5D shutter or mirror box packs in, is it any more expensive to have repaired / replaced than a more modern camera?

With regards lenses, I haven't managed to afford a single new lens in 5 years of owning the 40D so new lenses are probably out of the question until my business improves:)

Mike

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

05/29/2013 10:28:43 AM · #30

Originally posted by P-A-U-L:

your EF-S lens wont work with the FF, so you will only have your 50, that said you can sell the 17-85 and pick up a used tammy 28-75/2.8 that will do just fine and you'll break about even, yeah i know its not sharp and has some aberrations on the edges of a FF but its still great for portraits since you tend to blow those areas out of focus normally anyway and it will cover your focal length quite will.

05/29/2013 10:49:34 AM · #31

Originally posted by kirbic:

Originally posted by P-A-U-L:
I have read about dust issues with the 5D Classic and that it is prone to dust and has no self cleaning mechanism - is this something to be concerned about.

It's true that dust seems to be more visible on the 5D sensor than on some earlier models. It's also true that there is no self-cleaning mechanism. For what it's worth, I don't put a lot of faith in self-cleaning. I know some of the early systems were quite ineffective. Some of the more recent are probably better, but there is no substitute for a good manual cleaning.
Care must be exercised with cleaning the 5D Classic sensor. The IR stop filter material is ITO (Indium Tin Oxide) and this coating is not very hard. Some early 5D Classics also had adhesion problems between the ITO and the glass.
The above should not scare you off of the 5D Classic, it is a great camera. It is still my primary camera, after what will be 8 years come September. I've done wet cleaning regularly (2-4 times per year) on this camera, and the coating is still in good shape.
While the 5D Classic is currently a great deal, do be mindful of the expense of future lens purchases. Good lenses for the 35mm frame do tend to be more expensive than for APS-C. But on the other hand, good values can be found in nearly all focal length ranges.

FYI - I clean mine about once a month when it's not getting much use - to twice a week during heavy use. No problems, no worries.

Do learn to use the Copperhill method though - totally worth it.

as to what really should worry you? The mirror in some 5D's has been known to let go and flop around - there's a fix, and many used 5D's already have it done. Mine still hasn't, and the mirror hasn't gone anywhere nearly ten years later.

As for lenses, like I said that EF-s lens you have can be almost swapped at no cost for an EF28-135IS that will fit fine. Freebie!(mostly)

And repairs cost essentially the exact same as any other Canon.

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05/29/2013 11:16:20 AM · #32

Thanks Mike and Cory - I am tempted to jump to the 5D.

I am still awaiting an updated costing to include the addition of a new shutter as well as the new mirror box in the 40D but I think it is more a case of deciding between the 50D and 5D at the moment. I am reaching out trying to find some buyers for some surplus domain names at the moment so if I have any joy with that it may make the decision easier:)

Leica 18-56mm f/3.5-5.6 Vario Elmar-T ASPH

05/30/2013 06:12:13 AM · #33

The cost to have the shutter and mirror box replaced was just over Â£250 which I feel is too much to spend on a camera that is this old as probably more things to go wrong considering how much I have used (not abused) it since purchasing it in 2008.

So I was out shooting this morning with my partners Canon Powershot A495 - it just wasn't the same:(

MAK

Leica CL

05/30/2013 06:44:22 AM · #34

Paul, you are in UK same as me, if you get a 5D and worry about the cleaning of the sensor I would be happy to show you how to do this quite easily, I have cleaned countless sensors from D100's to PhaseOnes.

The 5D is a very special camera, loved mine, there are some good lenses to be had quite cheaply, I recommend the 5D Classic.

Tamron SP 24-70mm f/2.8 Di VC USD Canon Mount

05/30/2013 06:51:06 AM · #35

Originally posted by MAK:

Hey thanks MAK - that is very kind of you. I am awaiting to see if I can sell some domain names before making a decision on what my next camera will be.

Anyone looking for a pet friendly domain? :) //cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230990048017

Mike

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

05/30/2013 07:46:35 AM · #36

cybersquatter.

;-)

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05/30/2013 09:43:56 AM · #37

Originally posted by Mike:

cybersquatter.

;-)

Lol not really - most were bought with good intentions of using to promote my pet friendly accommodation site but then I realised the errors of my knowledge on redirecting domains and how little value this has as nobody types in domains these days into the address bar. I was going to call the site Pets Welcome originally but when I discovered the US version I thought safer to change the domain I used. I guess I could be considered to be cyber-squatting them to a certain extent as I would like to try and get some money from them:)

Just to keep this photographic in nature - I do have a nice Flickr page of photos I have taken of my dogs that is linked to from the pet site

//www.flickr.com/photos/petsallowed/

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05/31/2013 08:09:48 AM · #38

I received my old Canon 40D back from the repair centre and strangely it will now not power on. When I sent it off it would power on no problem and everything was working apart from the mirror box. Just wondered if perhaps the repair people had taken it apart and not put it back together properly or if perhaps it just died in transit? I assume if I ask the repair centre they will ask me to post it back for them to look at and charge me for the pleasure. I knew the mirror box was knackered and was planning to sell it for parts on Ebay but now with it being completely lifeless I am not so sure it will have any resale value.

I have tried 2 batteries which are both fully charged. I also took out the little battery and the big one for 30 minutes but no joy.

05/31/2013 10:06:54 AM · #39

Originally posted by P-A-U-L:

It's worth more as a trade in to Canon's loyalty program probably.

Tamron SP 24-70mm f/2.8 Di VC USD Canon Mount

05/31/2013 10:31:36 AM · #40

Thanks Cory. I wasn't really aware of this Canon Loyalty Program but looks like it may not be applicable to us UK peeps. Not to worry, I have a lovely replacement 40D arriving tomorrow and I probably would only have got pennies for the knackered one on Ebay.

Mike

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

05/31/2013 10:33:25 AM · #41

Originally posted by Cory:

Originally posted by P-A-U-L:
I received my old Canon 40D back from the repair centre and strangely it will now not power on. When I sent it off it would power on no problem and everything was working apart from the mirror box. Just wondered if perhaps the repair people had taken it apart and not put it back together properly or if perhaps it just died in transit? I assume if I ask the repair centre they will ask me to post it back for them to look at and charge me for the pleasure. I knew the mirror box was knackered and was planning to sell it for parts on Ebay but now with it being completely lifeless I am not so sure it will have any resale value.

I have tried 2 batteries which are both fully charged. I also took out the little battery and the big one for 30 minutes but no joy.

It's worth more as a trade in to Canon's loyalty program probably.

not really, its not available to him plus you can buy a busted P&S on ebay for < $15 to trade in.

05/31/2013 10:59:42 AM · #42

Canon repair centre reply was:

"Ive spoken to the technician regarding the repair, and accoring to him, the camera was dead when he originally inspected the unit. This was one of the reasons why the camera was re-estimated, as on our initial estimate, we was unable to fully check the cameras shutter unit. Only when we took the camera apart, when you proceeded with the original estimate, was we able to manually check the shutter and mirror box functionality."

I am therefore assuming the fixing the mirror box would make it come back to life as the estimate did not include any cost for replacing any other part.

Anyway I am getting bored of my own thread - so c'est la vie!!