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Canon EF 85mm f/1.2L II USM

04/18/2013 11:59:36 AM · #1

Sigma 18-35 f/1.8

Cory

Canon EOS-1D Mark IV

04/18/2013 12:00:56 PM · #2

Hot diggity! That's a sweet lookin lens!

Yo_Spiff

Olympus OM-D E-M5 Mark III

Olympus 12-100mm f/4.0 M.Zuiko ED IS PRO

04/18/2013 12:24:57 PM · #3

Sounds sweet. My Canon 18-135 is my most often used lens. I would expect a constant F1.8 will be just a little pricey in comparison to my Canon. I'll have to keep an eye on it, though.

Oh, I misread that. It's an 18-35. That makes a lot more sense.

Message edited by author 2013-04-18 12:26:09.

Garry

Canon EOS-7D

04/18/2013 12:47:47 PM · #4

My guess is that a constant 1.8 is going to be $$$$

Canon EF 85mm f/1.2L II USM

04/18/2013 12:56:53 PM · #5

Originally posted by Garry:

My guess is that a constant 1.8 is going to be $$$$

Probably so. The lens is also 2 pounds. But if it's between buying this lens and spending the $$$$ to upgrade your entire lens collection because you just went full frame, this could be a good option.

When I went to full frame, the camera body was the cheap part. Reconciling my lens collection cost real money.

Cory

Canon EOS-1D Mark IV

04/18/2013 01:02:51 PM · #6

Originally posted by Ann:

Originally posted by Garry:
My guess is that a constant 1.8 is going to be $$$$

Probably so. The lens is also 2 pounds. But if it's between buying this lens and spending the $$$$ to upgrade your entire lens collection because you just went full frame, this could be a good option.

When I went to full frame, the camera body was the cheap part. Reconciling my lens collection cost real money.

? This is APS-C only - you'll find it quite useless on a full-frame body - this makes me happy I've kept my APS-C bodies, since even at 1.6x crop, 18 is still pretty wide. The only thing I really wish it had is IS, that may seem silly at f/1.8, but that's only until you try to shoot in twilight with it.

Mike

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Tamron SP 24-70mm f/2.8 Di VC USD Canon Mount

04/18/2013 01:12:39 PM · #7

i'm trying to understand the point of this lens...

you can buy a 1.8 primes, do you really need a 2lb zoom in that small range?

bhuge

Canon EOS-550D Rebel T2i

04/18/2013 01:15:01 PM · #8

Originally posted by Garry:

My guess is that a constant 1.8 is going to be $$$$

Thing has 5 SLD elements and 4 aspherical elements. That has got to be spendy, even with the smaller crop sized glass.

The last few Siggys have been absolutely stellar lenses. If this turns out to be an optical masterpiece like them, Canon and Nikon are going to have to step up their game.

bhuge

Canon EOS-550D Rebel T2i

Tamron SP 24-70mm f/2.8 Di VC USD Canon Mount

04/18/2013 01:22:20 PM · #9

Originally posted by Mike:

you can buy a 1.8 primes, do you really need a 2lb zoom in that small range?

Does anyone even make a 1.8 prime as wide as 18mm? Also, by the time you stack all these fast primes in your bag you might end up with 2 lbs worth of lenses anyway. And you probably spent well over what this thing will cost (which is probably already significant).

Primes and zooms can coexist.

Mike

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

04/18/2013 01:29:40 PM · #10

you can get a 24mm/1.4 but it is pricy and probably heavy. others at 2.8 for cheaper and lighter.

do you need a 1.8 18mm? one would think 2.8 would be plenty. maybe i don't understand the 1.8 in such a wide lens, it cant be DOF control that wide.

im sure sure there is a market for it or these or else they wouldn't have made it, im just asking the question of what the purpose is because i don't see it.

04/18/2013 01:32:56 PM · #11

Originally posted by Mike:

i'm trying to understand the point of this lens...

you can buy a 1.8 primes, do you really need a 2lb zoom in that small range?

The widest 1.8 or faster prime is a 1.9 pound, $629 20mm f/1.8 Sigma. The widest fast Nikon is a 1.4 pound, $2200 24mm f/1.4.

If you're an event shooter that has a crop sensor camera, this could be a godsend.

bhuge

Canon EOS-550D Rebel T2i

Canon EF-S 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5 USM

04/18/2013 01:37:39 PM · #12

You are right, I don't think the DOF would matter much at 18mm. For me it's more about the speed than the DOF. At 1.8 you can more then double your shutter speed compared to 2.8, without sacrificing ISO.

Not that it matters, I don't think I could afford whatever this beast is going to cost :)

cowboy221977

Canon EOS-60D

04/18/2013 01:44:58 PM · #13

I want one.........droooooollll

Canon EF 85mm f/1.2L II USM

04/18/2013 01:46:46 PM · #14

Originally posted by Mike:

do you need a 1.8 18mm? one would think 2.8 would be plenty. maybe i don't understand the 1.8 in such a wide lens, it cant be DOF control that wide.

Remember that in FF terms, this is the equivalent of a 27-52mm f/2.7. If you're comparing to FF, those crop sensor 2.8 zooms (which are also heavy and expensive) are the equivalent of an f/4 lens on FF. For DOF control, a 1.8 could indeed be useful.

I think the main point of this lens is that the big guys have pretty much given up on creating professional quality lenses for crop sensor cameras, because they're busy trying to push the high end to FF. But the majority of the market still uses crop sensor cameras. If this is a good lens for anything resembling a competitive price, this could capture a big part of that market.

Cory

Canon EOS-1D Mark IV

04/18/2013 01:54:42 PM · #15

Originally posted by Ann:

Originally posted by Mike:
do you need a 1.8 18mm? one would think 2.8 would be plenty. maybe i don't understand the 1.8 in such a wide lens, it cant be DOF control that wide.

Remember that in FF terms, this is the equivalent of a 27-52mm f/2.7. If you're comparing to FF, those crop sensor 2.8 zooms (which are also heavy and expensive) are the equivalent of an f/4 lens on FF. For DOF control, a 1.8 could indeed be useful.

I think the main point of this lens is that the big guys have pretty much given up on creating professional quality lenses for crop sensor cameras, because they're busy trying to push the high end to FF. But the majority of the market still uses crop sensor cameras. If this is a good lens for anything resembling a competitive price, this could capture a big part of that market.

If I understand it correctly, Sigma is releasing this lens as a part of a new line the "Art Series", which will be lenses designed to really go outside the realm of "normal" lenses in a big way - the idea is to enable people to create more artistic photographs, something like a midpoint between lensbaby lenses and regular glass - the expectation is that the optics should be quite good, and I think we at DPC will see this series become pretty popular within our ranks.

Message edited by author 2013-04-18 13:54:58.

tnun

Ricoh GR III

Pentax DA 18-135mm F3.5-5.6ED AL [IF] WR DC

04/18/2013 01:55:05 PM · #16

I notice Pentax has been left out of the recent new Sigmas. But then we have all the old Pentax lenses. And then again there is the recent Ricoh Pentax marriage which has already spawned an awesome child.