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05/10/2013 09:57:17 AM · #226 |
I dont have access to a 3d printer yet...but I have started designing a handgun on autocad in 3d
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05/14/2013 12:32:27 AM · #227 |
Originally posted by Ann:
There is plenty of discussion about exactly what *has* worked in NYC, and how it can be transferred to other locations. Other cities have tried to replicate NYC's success with mixed results. New York changed a lot of things at the same time, including policing methods, graffiti control, and being on the right side of demographic trends. It's hard to tease out exactly what worked and what was just superfluous. While I agree that the fact that guns are tightly regulated in NYC probably has a positive impact, guns have been tightly regulated in NYC for the past 100 years, and the low violent crime rate is a relatively recent phenomenon. |
Graffiti control? Is that relevant to violent crime? |
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05/14/2013 08:08:45 AM · #228 |
Originally posted by Judith Polakoff:
Originally posted by Ann:
There is plenty of discussion about exactly what *has* worked in NYC, and how it can be transferred to other locations. Other cities have tried to replicate NYC's success with mixed results. New York changed a lot of things at the same time, including policing methods, graffiti control, and being on the right side of demographic trends. It's hard to tease out exactly what worked and what was just superfluous. While I agree that the fact that guns are tightly regulated in NYC probably has a positive impact, guns have been tightly regulated in NYC for the past 100 years, and the low violent crime rate is a relatively recent phenomenon. |
Graffiti control? Is that relevant to violent crime? |
yes, most of it is gang related. |
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05/14/2013 11:54:41 AM · #229 |
Originally posted by Mike:
Originally posted by Judith Polakoff:
Originally posted by Ann:
There is plenty of discussion about exactly what *has* worked in NYC, and how it can be transferred to other locations. Other cities have tried to replicate NYC's success with mixed results. New York changed a lot of things at the same time, including policing methods, graffiti control, and being on the right side of demographic trends. It's hard to tease out exactly what worked and what was just superfluous. While I agree that the fact that guns are tightly regulated in NYC probably has a positive impact, guns have been tightly regulated in NYC for the past 100 years, and the low violent crime rate is a relatively recent phenomenon. |
Graffiti control? Is that relevant to violent crime? |
yes, most of it is gang related. |
Oh, okay. I didn't know that. |
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05/14/2013 01:20:39 PM · #230 |
Originally posted by Judith Polakoff:
Originally posted by Mike:
Originally posted by Judith Polakoff:
Originally posted by Ann:
There is plenty of discussion about exactly what *has* worked in NYC, and how it can be transferred to other locations. Other cities have tried to replicate NYC's success with mixed results. New York changed a lot of things at the same time, including policing methods, graffiti control, and being on the right side of demographic trends. It's hard to tease out exactly what worked and what was just superfluous. While I agree that the fact that guns are tightly regulated in NYC probably has a positive impact, guns have been tightly regulated in NYC for the past 100 years, and the low violent crime rate is a relatively recent phenomenon. |
Graffiti control? Is that relevant to violent crime? |
yes, most of it is gang related. |
Oh, okay. I didn't know that. |
Damn. It's awesome how a wrong person can convince someone so easily.
Read up on the history of graffiti.
Not only is MOST of it not at all gang related, there is a significant possibility, especially with artists like Banksy, that the motivation to stop them contains an element of suppression or revenge, as much of this type of street art is a direct criticism of government or social policies.
This is as fantastic as your acceptance of the gun-ban arguments.
You two have a nice day now.
-CB
(BTW, I really do like you guys, but it annoys me that ya'll are so easily misled and convinced by one another's ignorance of facts) |
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05/14/2013 01:36:16 PM · #231 |
You're right, I am ignorant about anything to do with graffiti. It didn't seem right to me that it was somehow being linked with criminal activity, but Mike's response seemed reasonable. Thanks for the links.
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05/14/2013 01:57:12 PM · #232 |
Originally posted by Judith Polakoff:
You're right, I am ignorant about anything to do with graffiti. It didn't seem right to me that it was somehow being linked with criminal activity, but Mike's response seemed reasonable. Thanks for the links. |
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I'm honestly surprised Judith, I know you to be a person who claims to be politically aware, but yet you don't understand modern graffiti? It's one of the most powerful political tools of our time, and speaks to people through barriers that normal political rhetoric can't reach beyond.
*shrug*
In any case read up on it. Take a look at some of the individual artists.
Here are some favorites of mine:
Banksy - Very powerful stencil/installation artist, huge messages (both in terms of scale and impact)
Above - Fell in love when I found a stuffed body hanging from the telephone wires above his graffiti in Miami, speaking out against the OWS thing.
Assume Vivid Astro Focus - Speaking of OWS - a favorite of mine was "Labyrinth" by this fellow.
Invader - Nothing really special, but I like his work, I've found it in a huge number of places now.
XVALA - Another favorite - I LOVED the "Trespassers will be Googled" art I found from this artist. (It's important to note that I do like the previous XVALA's work as well, but I prefer the new, unidentified, XVALA)
Check out the Wikipedia list here, and have a look at a variety of artists. Amazing stuff.
Message edited by author 2013-05-14 14:00:23. |
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05/14/2013 02:05:13 PM · #233 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Damn. It's awesome how a wrong person can convince someone so easily.
Read up on the history of graffiti.
Not only is MOST of it not at all gang related, there is a significant possibility, especially with artists like Banksy, that the motivation to stop them contains an element of suppression or revenge, as much of this type of street art is a direct criticism of government or social policies.
This is as fantastic as your acceptance of the gun-ban arguments.
You two have a nice day now.
-CB
(BTW, I really do like you guys, but it annoys me that ya'll are so easily misled and convinced by one another's ignorance of facts) |
My own point was that there are a lot of people trying to claim credit for the lower crime rate, but that it's been hard to tease out exactly what *has* worked, but I'm pretty darn sure that the kids that keep tagging my back fence are doing it as a pissing contest between two rival groups (not hardcore drug gangs, but groups of wannabe kiddies), and not as some sort of protest. I'm also quite sure, after seeing their "work", that none of them have even heard of Banksy, much less the idea that graffiti is a form of social protest.
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05/14/2013 06:19:46 PM · #234 |
So defacing public property is justified? OK.
I associate graffiti with gang activity and delinquents. All I know is when I see lots of graffiti, I know I'm in an area I don't want to be when the sun goes down. |
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05/14/2013 06:22:40 PM · #235 |
Originally posted by Mike:
So defacing public property is justified? OK.
I associate graffiti with gang activity and delinquents. All I know is when I see lots of graffiti, I know I'm in an area I don't want to be when the sun goes down. |
I totally agree...it may not be a "gang"...but at a min it is the missfits.
Usually places like that make you want a concealed carry permit
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05/14/2013 06:58:49 PM · #236 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by Judith Polakoff:
You're right, I am ignorant about anything to do with graffiti. It didn't seem right to me that it was somehow being linked with criminal activity, but Mike's response seemed reasonable. Thanks for the links. |
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I'm honestly surprised Judith, I know you to be a person who claims to be politically aware, but yet you don't understand modern graffiti? It's one of the most powerful political tools of our time, and speaks to people through barriers that normal political rhetoric can't reach beyond.
*shrug*
In any case read up on it. Take a look at some of the individual artists.
Here are some favorites of mine:
Banksy - Very powerful stencil/installation artist, huge messages (both in terms of scale and impact)
Above - Fell in love when I found a stuffed body hanging from the telephone wires above his graffiti in Miami, speaking out against the OWS thing.
Assume Vivid Astro Focus - Speaking of OWS - a favorite of mine was "Labyrinth" by this fellow.
Invader - Nothing really special, but I like his work, I've found it in a huge number of places now.
XVALA - Another favorite - I LOVED the "Trespassers will be Googled" art I found from this artist. (It's important to note that I do like the previous XVALA's work as well, but I prefer the new, unidentified, XVALA)
Check out the Wikipedia list here, and have a look at a variety of artists. Amazing stuff. |
I never gave it a thought. I look at it and it all looks the same to me, but then I haven't delved into it at all. I suppose it's just not my cup of tea, but I'll look at your links. |
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05/14/2013 07:07:27 PM · #237 |
Cory, this stuff isn't what most people are talking about when they are connecting graffiti and gangs. Just assume they're talking about the activity we call "tagging": like these Crip Graffiti.
Political graffiti is a whole other beast. |
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05/14/2013 07:28:13 PM · #238 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Cory, this stuff isn't what most people are talking about when they are connecting graffiti and gangs. Just assume they're talking about the activity we call "tagging": like these Crip Graffiti.
Political graffiti is a whole other beast. |
You're totally right of course, but if we're talking about law here, then no matter that they are in reality very different beasts, the laws still apply the same.
Most people aren't really talking about automatic weapons when they say automatic weapons either. They mean semi-automatic. But that doesn't mean the laws aren't directed at semi-auto hunting rifles just as much as they are at black-guns. 30 round clips are 30 round clips, in a wood-stocked rifle, or a plastic stocked rifle, the law doesn't differentiate.
It's much the same when we talk about laws dealing with graffiti - the gang activity is, I think, often more of an excuse than a real motivation.
Message edited by author 2013-05-14 19:28:49. |
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05/14/2013 07:31:24 PM · #239 |
Originally posted by Mike:
So defacing public property is justified? OK.
I associate graffiti with gang activity and delinquents. All I know is when I see lots of graffiti, I know I'm in an area I don't want to be when the sun goes down. |
Funny. I tend to think the exact opposite. Some of the very best arts parties and events are in the graffiti filled sections of town.
Heck, I even took a DPC GTG through the part of Miami that I linked to in the gallery above. |
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05/16/2013 08:22:07 PM · #240 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by spiritualspatula:
Originally posted by Cory:
I think trigger locks are dumb as hell for a defense weapon, as is keeping it unloaded.
It's not as if these kids went into a secured cabinet in a high location in an off-limits room. The guns were left laying on table, or sofa, or some such - loaded and presumably off-safety.
Also, another gun safety issue is to teach the kids about guns, and explain that anything in front of the gun dies, forever, with blood and guts spread about. These kids, no doubt, didn't understand what, exactly, a gun would to do another human who they liked - to them it was just a toy, because they have been "protected" from such realities. |
This is sorta what I was curious to hear. You likened the parents to somebody who leaves pot handles sticking out... But how worthwhile is a home defense weapon that is properly secured in a safe?
And while I completely agree about proper education for anybody in contact with a gun (meaning, anybody who has access in any regard), how do you approach the fact that humans of that age fundamentally lack the ability to understand the action as a result of their underdeveloped prefrontal cortex and it's ability to understand future events? |
You equate properly secured with "under lock and key" ... There are plenty of ways to secure something without the need for locking it up.
Answer to your second question: Take them hunting. Actual blood and real guts will do a lot to overcome the underdeveloped prefrontal cortex issue - or at least they did for me - by age three I was perfectly able to explain EXACTLY what a gun does, and by five I had my own.
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As for the hatchet comment earlier, I think Kai the heroic hatchet wielding hitchhiker has the right idea. :) |
Interestingly, news just broke that Kai is now wanted for murder. Apparently he was drugged and raped, then beat the guy to death. See, no need for a gun - hatchet worked just fine. |
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