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03/22/2013 03:13:14 PM · #1 |
| Want to know what it's like to be deaf and a lipreader? Here's a wonderful article. That could be me saying all that... |
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03/22/2013 03:33:19 PM · #2 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Want to know what it's like to be deaf and a lipreader? Here's a wonderful article. That could be me saying all that... |
I thoroughly enjoyed reading that piece. Such remarkable tenacity! |
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03/22/2013 03:42:42 PM · #3 |
That *is* a good article. From the other side.....I work closely with a guy who lipreads. His lipreading is pretty typical (30% feels about right), and I have some trouble understanding his speech, so it took some time for us to figure out how to communicate properly. We end up having long conversations sitting at my computer taking turns typing into notepad. We've had discussions about many of the same issues that she brings up in her article.
Using notepad has the added bonus in a cubicle environment that everyone else around us doesn't have to listen to us trying to understand each other. |
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03/22/2013 03:43:27 PM · #4 |
Thanks for that Robert, a very interesting read.
I guess I know a little bit about your world, but my hearing loss is only over a certain range so that I miss S and T's a lot. I avoid noisy venues if I can and have to guess what people are saying to me in them by figuring out the words I don't understand as they fit into context with the ones I do figure out (makes me seem slow minded). I get frustrated all the time when I often have to ask someone behind a counter repeatedly to say something again. And usually when I do realize what they are saying it is evident they could have said it in a different more understandable way when they realized I was having trouble communicating. So I can imagine how frustrating it can be for you!
I think it is pretty cool how the online word gives you the same ability to understand the conversation as everybody else :) |
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03/22/2013 03:48:29 PM · #5 |
| Thank you, Robert, for the very enlightening read. |
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03/22/2013 04:13:23 PM · #6 |
A really enjoyable, and very enlightening piece! Thank you Robert for posting that!
ETA: Many of use hearing folk occasionally have a flash of lipreading brilliance... particularly when the speaker is uttering some unsavory verbal specimens! When a coach's frustration erupts into profanity on the sidelines, it's often painfully obvious exactly what he said!
Message edited by author 2013-03-22 16:23:27.
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03/22/2013 04:21:42 PM · #7 |
One thing Robert has had to "train" me to do is to just repeat what I said when he is having difficulty understanding me (and I still have a noticeable British accent which makes it that much harder for him). I tend to want to "repeat" what I said by saying it in a slightly different way to help "clarify" what I meant. Meanwhile Robert is trying to fit the parts of words he got the first time round into what I'm saying the second time, and they just don't match.
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03/22/2013 04:25:39 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by PennyClick:
...I still have a noticeable British accent which makes it that much harder for him... |
This is one thing that really surprised me, reading the article! I never realized that an accent would be that prominent and potentially confusing to a lipreader! I also was surprised that over-accentuating speech motions is a negative. It is humbling to realize that I don't even know what I don't know!
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03/22/2013 04:29:39 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
A really enjoyable, and very enlightening piece! Thank you Robert for posting that!
ETA: Many of use hearing folk occasionally have a flash of lipreading brilliance... particularly when the speaker is uttering some unsavory verbal specimens! When a coach's frustration erupts into profanity on the sidelines, it's often painfully obvious exactly what he said! |
In baseball, any time there's a conference on the mound, the pitcher and catcher are covering their mouths with their gloves ... in football, the coach is always holding a clipboard/play-sheet in front of his mouth when calling plays ...
Psst ... please don't tell the FCC about this or we'll end up having the video equivalent of "bleeping out" obscenities and never get to see the game ... |
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03/22/2013 04:48:41 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Psst ... please don't tell the FCC about this or we'll end up having the video equivalent of "bleeping out" obscenities and never get to see the game ... |
My lips are sealed ;-)
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03/22/2013 08:06:10 PM · #11 |
[quote=GeneralEPsst ... please don't tell the FCC about this or we'll end up having the video equivalent of "bleeping out" obscenities and never get to see the game ... [/quote]
Sometimes that would be better for those speaking. |
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03/23/2013 03:58:01 PM · #12 |
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03/23/2013 04:10:43 PM · #13 |
Wow that is fascinating... I've always wondered how people can do this..
Robert are you totaly deaf? So you can lip read as well? Penny I have to giggle at your comment I have trouble figureing out an english accent and I CAN hear!! |
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03/23/2013 04:49:46 PM · #14 |
| Well that seems fair, Bear, as I only understand about 30% of what YOU say :-) |
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03/23/2013 04:50:16 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by littlemav:
Robert are you totaly deaf? So you can lip read as well? |
I have a cochlear implant now, which helps a lot, but I still have to lipread to comprehend speech. For a significant portion of my life I was totally deaf, and still am if I am not wearing my device. So there really isn't any "as well" involved; I don't do sign language, so without lipreading I basically could not comprehend speech. I can't use a phone, for example... I mean, I can TALK into one but it's not really a 2-way street. |
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03/23/2013 04:51:32 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by tanguera:
Well that seems fair, Bear, as I only understand about 30% of what YOU say :-) |
As in "You talk over my head" or as in "you slur your words something awful"? Inquiring Bears need to know :-) |
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03/23/2013 05:24:09 PM · #17 |
| Do you feel like your deafness was the driving force behind your photography? |
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03/23/2013 06:49:06 PM · #18 |
| Fascinating article, but I'd be impossible to lipread - I have thin lips, an accent and talk fast!! Red, with his full lips, no real accent and more normal talking speed, would have to act as interpreter :-) |
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03/23/2013 06:55:26 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by gcoulson:
Do you feel like your deafness was the driving force behind your photography? |
I don't know. Long before I was a photographer I was a poet, a metrical poet no less. And I've been published and I'm pretty good at that (though not as good as our guy  Posthumous),and I did go to art school (as a painter), so... But yeah, the argum,ent of compensatory senses can be made, HAS been made :-) |
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03/23/2013 07:18:21 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
I was a poet, a metrical poet no less. |
A what you say? Like a... like a... Yuropeen kinda word people? |
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03/23/2013 07:32:04 PM · #21 |
| fascinating.... I've never experienced lip reading. I think I would have the patience to want to be heard though. |
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03/23/2013 08:14:41 PM · #22 |
When I met Bear a while back, I was really apprehensive as to how it would go. And told him so.
He can lipread, but I'd been told my lips can't easily be read. "You mumble" said several deaf friends.
Well, geez, when I was a kid, I broke my two front teeth and they didn't get fixed until the ripe old age of 16.
Thus the stationary upper lip was perfected.
Meanwhile, my own hearing went south, and I can hear fairly well in one ear only. I assure you this condition is a "pain in the ankle, two joints higher" as my sainted Aunt Helen used to say.
But you know what? Bear made it easy! His cochlear implant, perhaps, made it possible to understand my words and his enunciation made it possible for me to hear his.
The guy's pretty good at this.
:)
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03/23/2013 08:27:22 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by sfalice:
The guy's pretty good at this.
:) |
63 years of practice'll do that... |
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03/23/2013 08:39:43 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by tanguera:
Well that seems fair, Bear, as I only understand about 30% of what YOU say :-) |
As in "You talk over my head" or as in "you slur your words something awful"? Inquiring Bears need to know :-) |
Hmmmmm, yup!
I'm ribbing you, Bear. As with any different "accent", it takes a while to understand. The first half day was a lot of polite nodding, and then, surprisingly, I found myself understanding most of what you said. Content-wise :-) |
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03/23/2013 08:57:02 PM · #25 |
This thread has caused Bear and I to realize that he and my wife knew each other, back in the day, when he lived in San Diego, and she was a sign language interpreter.
Very, very small world indeed. |
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