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12/16/2012 07:09:15 PM · #276 |
Originally posted by sfalice:
Ah, yes, alfresco. And here you've opened the 'other can of worms.' Mental health.
what a gripping story you present.
Again, we can point the finger to the spending cuts and closing of facilities to when things started to go wrong.
How can we begin to correct the problem? |
The issue is not just the budget but pysch itself. The goal seems to be getting "disturbed" people away from the rest of the population or popping them full of meds. There are all kinds of cutting edge therapies, SPECT brain scans, neuroscience studies, etc. that aren't taught yet in schools, at least not in mine when I studied psych (and I checked the recent curriculum and it's no better). I emailed the department head a few months ago pointing this out. He seemed receptive and kind but probably forgot all about it. I doubt any change was implemented.
We are still in the stone age when it comes to psych. It's depressing because it doesn't have to be this way. But, change is too slow in a lifetime.
I posted a comment on that blog telling the mom to look into the work of Dr. Amen and SPECT scans in general. A lot of times brain damage is misdiagnosed as a behavioral or personality disorder because it's not yet common practice to actually LOOK at the darn brain. I hope she sees it among the thousands of comments. :(
QUESTION YOUR DOCTORS. Seek other opinions. This is a big one. People naively just go "ok they're the doctor" and never look further than that. It's a shame. Doctors are just fallible people like anyone else. |
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12/16/2012 07:14:39 PM · #277 |
Originally posted by sfalice: Originally posted by yanko: Monica proposed changing the culture in which we treat others, but right now it seems we have too many weeds in the yard for that to take serious root. |
Monica, however, was the first to make a proposal that could be implemented at the local level. Grass roots level, if you will, by each of us. Dig up the weeds, one by one. Eventually that will make a difference.
Oh, yes. and email those folks in the House and the Senate. Get some indignation going. |
One person can change the course of anothers life. Why not have it be you? I can trace who I am today to of course many people in my life, but there are two amazing friends that really, really stick out. Two women that were above and beyond loving, giving, and inspiring. I wouldn't be who I am today if they were not in my life. One is gone now and I try to remind myself every day of all the good she did for me, and the wish to pass that on. She is the one that opened my eyes to the fact that I didn't have to be depressed forever. When you are depressed, it feels that way, that there is no way out. And common psychological "wisdom" tends to back that up. The paradigm needs to shift on mental health. Change is highly possible, and without meds. It is. It's proven. The information just needs to spread now. |
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12/16/2012 07:15:34 PM · #278 |
Originally posted by scalvert: Originally posted by PGerst: Not sure about other towns in CT, but we just got a message that they will have police at all schools tomorrow and will not have discussions with grades K-5, but will with the older kids. |
Same here.
Originally posted by PGerst: police presence... seems like a mere attempt to calm the nerves of people post event. |
Bingo. |
We got the call here in Watertown, and I think you guys are are correct about the reaction from schools. I think eventually this will lead to the formulation of emergency procedures for this type of thing, and that may be necessary.
We have talked to our 4thh grader and 6th grader separately about it. |
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12/16/2012 07:23:24 PM · #279 |
Oh lord, what a thread. Talking in circles, infighting, blaming guns/gun owners/mental illness etc etc and guess what? Nothing changes, you can email your member of Congress all you like and dollars to doughnuts nothing will get done. Has it ever worked for you? Has it? Really? PM me and tell me about it.
I live a 20 minute drive from NY and always get a little antsy anytime I go Stateside because as soon as I cross that international border, I feel exposed and vulnerable. Once I get my errands run I can't get home fast enough, no matter how asinine the border guards' questions.
I'm also alarmingly handy with both handguns and rifles, as I have learned on indoor ranges. And I have minimal gun handling and knowledge but I still blew the crap out of the competition in a speed-shooting competition, all I did literally was point and shoot.
Not difficult. Add mental illness and easy access to guns at home and need I say more. It doesn't matter if you build a 100-ft wall around you and those you love, those who want to hurt you and yours will build a 110-ft ladder. Fact.
So, seeing that guns are so readily available and basically pretty easy to a) buy and b) use in the States, and no wonder I get a little jumpy even in dozy ol Ogdensburg, NY. I have no idea who the hell might be packing, and what, and how easily they might go off.
@ sfalice, sorry, but I doubt that a Glock would do much more than piss off a deer. A Magnum .357 though...yeah. That might get them thinking. |
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12/16/2012 08:19:35 PM · #280 |
True story:
I went to Japan on business for 3 months quite a few years ago. The transition there was very easy for me. When I came back, flying into NYC....that is when the culture shock hit. So, your sentiments below are quite well founded.
Originally posted by snaffles:
So, seeing that guns are so readily available and basically pretty easy to a) buy and b) use in the States, and no wonder I get a little jumpy even in dozy ol Ogdensburg, NY. I have no idea who the hell might be packing, and what, and how easily they might go off. |
Message edited by author 2012-12-16 20:19:43. |
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12/16/2012 08:22:39 PM · #281 |
Our school fortunately has many of those plans in place (as do many schools). The problem I see is that eventually....these shootings will not be in schools, but in other public areas as they have already in the past.
Originally posted by blindjustice:
We got the call here in Watertown, and I think you guys are are correct about the reaction from schools. I think eventually this will lead to the formulation of emergency procedures for this type of thing, and that may be necessary. |
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12/16/2012 08:39:35 PM · #282 |
Originally posted by PGerst: .....
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It becomes a very sad horrific possibility that this needs to occur often enough to affect enough people to turn the voting over.
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Sounds like you're one step away from encouraging this sort of behavior. You might want to rethink this particular rhetoric. |
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12/16/2012 08:40:08 PM · #283 |
Unfortunately, this is the reaction of many people across the country. Guns sales UP :-( |
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12/16/2012 08:42:36 PM · #284 |
Not at all. Just one of many who realize what this is all leading to. In fact, read the link by CJinCA.
To not say it, to not warn is simply denial. Denial just leads to more.
Originally posted by Cory: Originally posted by PGerst: .....
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It becomes a very sad horrific possibility that this needs to occur often enough to affect enough people to turn the voting over.
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Sounds like you're one step away from encouraging this sort of behavior. You might want to rethink this particular rhetoric. |
Message edited by author 2012-12-16 20:44:27. |
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12/16/2012 08:46:25 PM · #285 |
Originally posted by sfalice: Originally posted by yanko: Monica proposed changing the culture in which we treat others, but right now it seems we have too many weeds in the yard for that to take serious root. |
Monica, however, was the first to make a proposal that could be implemented at the local level. Grass roots level, if you will, by each of us. Dig up the weeds, one by one. Eventually that will make a difference.
Oh, yes. and email those folks in the House and the Senate. Get some indignation going. |
Got any advice on the best way to dig up fields of 3 inch thick eye level weeds? :P
Btw, watching Obama speaking. Looks like he doesn't recognize the mother as one of the victims. Interesting. |
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12/16/2012 08:48:36 PM · #286 |
That's because he's deep in waaayyyy too many words. Its hard to focus on what he's saying. He "speech" is more of a lecture than a response.
Originally posted by yanko: Btw, watching Obama speaking. Looks like he doesn't recognize the mother as one of the victims. Interesting. |
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12/16/2012 08:53:27 PM · #287 |
Originally posted by PGerst: That's because he's deep in waaayyyy too many words. Its hard to focus on what he's saying. He "speech" is more of a lecture than a response. |
No kidding. |
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12/16/2012 08:53:30 PM · #288 |
Originally posted by PGerst: That's because he's deep in waaayyyy too many words. Its hard to focus on what he's saying. He "speech" is more of a lecture than a response.
Originally posted by yanko: Btw, watching Obama speaking. Looks like he doesn't recognize the mother as one of the victims. Interesting. | |
It took a while but there are some powerful parts.
Can we sit around and tolerate this time and time again as the price of freedom?
Perhaps he is noting that a day of reckoning is at hand. |
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12/16/2012 08:56:27 PM · #289 |
I hope so.....
Originally posted by blindjustice:
Perhaps he is noting that a day of reckoning is at hand. |
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12/16/2012 08:58:01 PM · #290 |
Originally posted by snaffles:
@ sfalice, sorry, but I doubt that a Glock would do much more than piss off a deer. A Magnum .357 though...yeah. That might get them thinking. |
No, no, Snaffles. I didn't wade the long and explicit article I posted yesterday about the evolution of the Glock just for the fun of advertising the weapon. These things are lethal.
Not only for people, but for wildlife as well. This YouTube video graphically shows that this deer was pissed off for only a few moments before becoming venison. the two minute (2.06) mark is about where the pissing off begins and ends.
Ogdensburg. Yeah, I know the town. Now, it sleeps. I think they closed down the facility for housing the mentally disabled a while back? probably.
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12/16/2012 09:04:14 PM · #291 |
Originally posted by yanko: Originally posted by sfalice: Originally posted by yanko: Monica proposed changing the culture in which we treat others, but right now it seems we have too many weeds in the yard for that to take serious root. |
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Got any advice on the best way to dig up fields of 3 inch thick eye level weeds? :P |
Yanko, dear. Keep the softballs coming. This is an easy one.
Get yourself* in gear, pretend you're a Rototiller and start cultivating.
*euphemism |
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12/16/2012 09:16:14 PM · #292 |
And here is evidenced the dichotomy which exists between government and society. Society expects government to codify and assign resources meant to uphold primary values. As government is an assemblage of society, it's policies and how it arrives at those policies, is directly influenced by what it understands society desires the most.
Assuming this premise is reasonable, would it not be suicidal for government to initiate policies which undermine its very existence? In the case of safety for its citizens, the voters have rendered government inept as it would be self defeating to assign the resources needed to issues which are not top priority. Or let me phrase it another way, values which are not "top priority" amongst those voters who provide a current government some assurance of continuity. This paradox paves the way for gun ownership as a tangible offset for inadequate policy. I suspect many Americans are far more assured of the government's ability to protect their interest from threats abroad than from threats at home. Foreign policy is not as "in your face" as domestic policy. Its the old NIMBY mentality.
This is a tough one requiring much more hurt before any enduring change is put into effect. Unfortunately, the victimization of innocents is still viewed as somewhat isolated and infrequent when compared to other matters which are voiced as more urgent. This "its all about me" attitude has become an insurmountable hurdle for policy makers.
Personal freedom versus safety? How can you be free when you live in fear? When your children cannot go to school?
Bless those innocent souls that were lost and at the cost of the twisted souls we naively choose to protect.
To paraphrase Doc Holiday .... "Oh, make no mistake. It's not revenge we're after. It's a reckoning"!
Message edited by author 2012-12-16 21:20:57. |
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12/16/2012 09:26:33 PM · #293 |
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12/16/2012 09:37:21 PM · #294 |
i wonder how many Jainist mass killings there are |
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12/16/2012 09:41:31 PM · #295 |
'Oh, all those deaths? All the civilians and children? Don't worry about them. It's a 'war' you see. Completely legit. What's that? What are the wars fighting? Oh, i don't think you need to worry about that. It's complicated but you can be reassured that they are for 'the good of the people'. Yea, for peace and democracy and that. Yea, honest. Casualties? Nahh! That doesn't happen. Or, maybe collateral damage. What's that? People are shooting and killing other people? Well, there is a test we do. To find out if the people who were killed matter. It's a simple test really. Email me and i'll send you a PDF. You don't want to get too upset about the wrong people after all. Anyway, it's nearly Christmas. Have fun!' |
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12/16/2012 09:42:22 PM · #296 |
Originally posted by LanndonKane:
i wonder how many Jainist mass killings there are |
And your point is? |
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12/16/2012 09:43:39 PM · #297 |
Originally posted by rooum: Originally posted by LanndonKane:
i wonder how many Jainist mass killings there are |
And your point is? |
my point is that i agree with what you said. some cultures do not disseminate systemic violence. |
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12/16/2012 09:47:58 PM · #298 |
Originally posted by LanndonKane: Originally posted by rooum: Originally posted by LanndonKane:
i wonder how many Jainist mass killings there are |
And your point is? |
my point is that i agree with what you said. some cultures do not disseminate systemic violence. |
Perhaps not to as much of a degree these days but i think you'd be surprised i think. Plenty of Buddhist and Christian and, perhaps (but i'd have to check) Jain terrorists about. |
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12/16/2012 09:49:01 PM · #299 |
I still find your point absolutely irrelevant to what i was saying though. |
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12/16/2012 09:52:44 PM · #300 |
Ah, perhaps i was a bit quick to argue with you there. Looking from a different angle i see what you are saying. I apologise for that. |
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