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11/09/2012 11:09:39 AM · #426 |
| I've heard Bon Jovi is wanted dead or alive and yet he still walks among us. Slippery bastard. |
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11/09/2012 11:13:55 AM · #427 |
Originally posted by blindjustice:
Just trying to keep it light. (could make a 60 prong things to worry about for CT as well) |
If it's half as good as the NJ list you really should..... |
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11/09/2012 11:20:35 AM · #428 |
Originally posted by Venser:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Are you kidding... There are families here that have been on welfare for 3 or 4 generations and have never worked and dont intend on working. They teach classes at some churches about how to get more govmt money. It is a problem that I personally am tired of paying for. |
No, I'm not kidding.
So there's a couple of people sucking off the teat, their numbers are probably inconsequential to the overall expenditure.
Fix your bloated military budget before you start worrying about the crumbs. |
Damnit. Venser - you too? :) Why not try to fix both darn problems? We have this huge habit in this country of getting side tracked by exactly this crap. "Sure it's a problem, but why don't you fix this other, bigger problem instead?"
I'll tell you one thing, if my house's roof is leaking and the kitchen is on fire, I'll definately put out the fire before fixing the roof, but fixing the roof is a serious priority as well, just because one problem is bigger, doesn't mean that the other problem should be ignored.
Frankly, I might bitch about this when it comes up, but it's more than apparent it's not just the kitchen on fire, we have a huge number of problems we need to fix, everyone acknowledges that these are problems, and yet we continue to do nothing while arguing about which problem we should solve first(and then of course, there's the metabitching about the how, who, and when..)...
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11/09/2012 11:24:47 AM · #429 |
Originally posted by bohemka:
Originally posted by mike_311:
so long as you look to someone else to save you, government, god, family, friends, you will always be disappointed, becuase the only one that can truly save you is yourself. you live based on the decisions you make and once you give up the decisions and let someone else make them, you may as well be dead, you are merely being pulled along not living |
I cannot understand at all why you think that this is what this election was about. |
Oh heck, I agree.
Of course, Mike didn't mean what I mean, but it was accurate none the less.
It seems that the general public really believes that we can elect a president who can save the country, and that he will do great things for each of us. Of course, they also seem to believe that the candidate they didn't vote for was spawned by Satan himself and would have sold the country's soul to the devil in return for a box of crackerjacks.
One day, maybe this country will be filled again with those who wish to do it for themselves. I won't be holding my breath though, as purple really isn't my color. |
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11/09/2012 11:25:58 AM · #430 |
Originally posted by blindjustice:
(could make a 60 prong things to worry about for CT as well) |
If it's only 60, you're not trying. |
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11/09/2012 11:27:46 AM · #431 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Damnit. Venser - you too? :) Why not try to fix both darn problems? We have this huge habit in this country of getting side tracked by exactly this crap. "Sure it's a problem, but why don't you fix this other, bigger problem instead?"
I'll tell you one thing, if my house's roof is leaking and the kitchen is on fire, I'll definately put out the fire before fixing the roof, but fixing the roof is a serious priority as well, just because one problem is bigger, doesn't mean that the other problem should be ignored.
Frankly, I might bitch about this when it comes up, but it's more than apparent it's not just the kitchen on fire, we have a huge number of problems we need to fix, everyone acknowledges that these are problems, and yet we continue to do nothing while arguing about which problem we should solve first(and then of course, there's the metabitching about the how, who, and when..)... |
In utopia, fix them all simultaneously, but in reality, I favour fixing the ones which reap the greater benefit, or net return, or .....
Since time is limited, and getting anything through government is glacial at best, you have to pick and choose the battles wisely.
Using your example of the house on fire with the leaky roof is exactly what I'm talking about. If you're the only occupant, chance are you can't fix both simultaneously. You start with the fire and move onto the roof when time permits.
Now, I think government should be able to do a couple things at once, but the problems they need to tackle, along with the laws and everything that comes along with it, aren't so simplistic. That's why I'm favour of fixing big things first, little things second.
Message edited by author 2012-11-09 11:29:07. |
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11/09/2012 11:31:41 AM · #432 |
Originally posted by bohemka:
Originally posted by mike_311:
so long as you look to someone else to save you, government, god, family, friends, you will always be disappointed, becuase the only one that can truly save you is yourself. you live based on the decisions you make and once you give up the decisions and let someone else make them, you may as well be dead, you are merely being pulled along not living |
I cannot understand at all why you think that this is what this election was about. |
why dont you tell me what you think the election was about?
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11/09/2012 11:54:48 AM · #433 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by bohemka:
Originally posted by mike_311:
so long as you look to someone else to save you, government, god, family, friends, you will always be disappointed, becuase the only one that can truly save you is yourself. you live based on the decisions you make and once you give up the decisions and let someone else make them, you may as well be dead, you are merely being pulled along not living |
I cannot understand at all why you think that this is what this election was about. |
why dont you tell me what you think the election was about? |
Reining in the plutocracy before they destroy us all? Making at least a small step towards taking the power away from the corporations and putting it back in the hands of We the People? |
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11/09/2012 11:55:10 AM · #434 |
OK here is a slightly different subject....but still along the same lines
Smaller govmt is better. We need to reduce the size of the govmt. Consolidate departments that overlap.
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11/09/2012 01:02:30 PM · #435 |
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11/09/2012 01:15:23 PM · #436 |
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11/09/2012 01:39:54 PM · #437 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by bohemka:
Originally posted by mike_311:
so long as you look to someone else to save you, government, god, family, friends, you will always be disappointed, becuase the only one that can truly save you is yourself. you live based on the decisions you make and once you give up the decisions and let someone else make them, you may as well be dead, you are merely being pulled along not living |
I cannot understand at all why you think that this is what this election was about. |
why dont you tell me what you think the election was about? |
Reining in the plutocracy before they destroy us all? Making at least a small step towards taking the power away from the corporations and putting it back in the hands of We the People? |
perhaps we can sleep a bit easier knowing we do not have a president that will appoint more Conservative- (Citizen's United-issuing and Roe v. Wade reversing) Scotus members, etc, etc. |
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11/09/2012 01:43:36 PM · #438 |
Originally posted by blindjustice:
perhaps we can sleep a bit easier knowing we do not have a president that will appoint more Conservative- (Citizen's United-issuing and Roe v. Wade reversing) Scotus members, etc, etc. |
I will agree to that. |
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11/09/2012 01:46:27 PM · #439 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by blindjustice:
perhaps we can sleep a bit easier knowing we do not have a president that will appoint more Conservative- (Citizen's United-issuing and Roe v. Wade reversing) Scotus members, etc, etc. |
I will agree to that. |
Its a start. |
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11/09/2012 02:07:26 PM · #440 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Smaller govmt is better. We need to reduce the size of the govmt. Consolidate departments that overlap. |
In case you hadn't noticed public sector jobs have been reduced markedly in the past four years; the five million or so jobs created have been almost entirely in the private sector.
When you say "smaller government" do you include miltary spending, or only food stamps? |
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11/09/2012 02:15:28 PM · #441 |
personally id love to see military spending pulled waaaay back and more money spent at home, our infrastructure is going to pieces leaving broke agencies to fend for themselves and prioritizing vital repairs and raising tolls that only continues to hurt commuters.
pour money into infrastructure if you want to get lots of people working. trains, roads, mass transit, bridges tunnels etc.
it worked once right? |
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11/09/2012 02:34:36 PM · #442 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
personally id love to see military spending pulled waaaay back and more money spent at home, our infrastructure is going to pieces leaving broke agencies to fend for themselves and prioritizing vital repairs and raising tolls that only continues to hurt commuters.
pour money into infrastructure if you want to get lots of people working. trains, roads, mass transit, bridges tunnels etc.
it worked once right? |
Well, isn't that exactly the FDR/New Deal-like plan Obama's been promoting for the last four years? |
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11/09/2012 03:01:08 PM · #443 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by mike_311:
personally id love to see military spending pulled waaaay back and more money spent at home, our infrastructure is going to pieces leaving broke agencies to fend for themselves and prioritizing vital repairs and raising tolls that only continues to hurt commuters.
pour money into infrastructure if you want to get lots of people working. trains, roads, mass transit, bridges tunnels etc.
it worked once right? |
Well, isn't that exactly the FDR/New Deal-like plan Obama's been promoting for the last four years? |
Sure is! |
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11/09/2012 03:44:54 PM · #444 |
Just a reminder to all that while this is 'Rant', all the forum rules still apply, so please refrain from profanity & personal attacks.
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11/09/2012 03:55:20 PM · #445 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by mike_311:
personally id love to see military spending pulled waaaay back and more money spent at home, our infrastructure is going to pieces leaving broke agencies to fend for themselves and prioritizing vital repairs and raising tolls that only continues to hurt commuters.
pour money into infrastructure if you want to get lots of people working. trains, roads, mass transit, bridges tunnels etc.
it worked once right? |
Well, isn't that exactly the FDR/New Deal-like plan Obama's been promoting for the last four years? |
so what is he and his democratic senate waiting for? |
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11/09/2012 03:56:30 PM · #446 |
Originally posted by Manic:
Just a reminder to all that while this is 'Rant', all the forum rules still apply, so please refrain from profanity & personal attacks. |
now how are we supposed to have a worthwhile political discussion? |
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11/09/2012 04:11:20 PM · #447 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
so what is he and his democratic senate waiting for? |
Bills like this usually originate in (and in any event must be passed by) the House, the (Republican) leader of which declared that his "Number one priority" was trying to make Obama a one-term President, not doing what's best for America, or even his own constituents. With declared obstructionism like that, it's a lot harder to get your policies put into effect.
Oh yeah, and the Senate can have any bill blocked simply by having one Senator declare their intention to filibuster, any judicial or administrative appointment prevented from conducting a confirmatory vote by having one Senator "place a hold" on the nomination ... |
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11/09/2012 04:17:03 PM · #448 |
| i know, you don't have to remind me the games they play. now if only the public demanded more from their elected officials... |
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11/09/2012 04:17:22 PM · #449 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by mike_311:
personally id love to see military spending pulled waaaay back and more money spent at home, our infrastructure is going to pieces leaving broke agencies to fend for themselves and prioritizing vital repairs and raising tolls that only continues to hurt commuters.
pour money into infrastructure if you want to get lots of people working. trains, roads, mass transit, bridges tunnels etc.
it worked once right? |
Well, isn't that exactly the FDR/New Deal-like plan Obama's been promoting for the last four years? |
so what is he and his democratic senate waiting for? |
Take a wild guess....
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11/09/2012 04:34:04 PM · #450 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
i know, you don't have to remind me the games they play. now if only the public demanded more from their elected officials... |
Aprroximately half the voters have been clamoring for action, but the Republic representatives don't care what they think.
"President Obama's approval rating was 50%, and Romney's was a respectable 42 ... Congress' rating is at 17, and that's Farenheit, not Celsius."
ΓΆ€”Dave Ross |
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