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10/30/2012 11:32:58 PM · #201 |
| Sorry guys, I'm going to have to bow out. It looks like some section 8 people have just moved in next door and I've got to take care of it! |
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10/30/2012 11:33:14 PM · #202 |
Originally posted by kawesttex:
Originally posted by Cory:
(staying in a religion you don't believe in, and were born into) |
So you state this as a fact, but it's not a fact that your were born male. Interesting! As you have stated people have religious choices but yet you state that you are born into a religion. |
That's just a typo -- he means the religion you're borne into ... no one, without exposure to religious teachings of others (usually during childhood), would ever become a "Christian" or Jew or Hindu or any of the others, excepting of course if they heard the voice of God directly instructing them in its practices, in which case they'd almost certainly be committed for 72-hour psychiatric evaluation and probably given medication, while being denounced as a "false prophet" by the established religious powers ... |
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10/30/2012 11:34:00 PM · #203 |
Originally posted by kawesttex:
Originally posted by Cory:
(staying in a religion you don't believe in, and were born into) |
So you state this as a fact, but it's not a fact that your were born male. Interesting! As you have stated people have religious choices but yet you state that you are born into a religion. |
Huh? Your statement is a mess my friend, but I'll try to answer.
I'm pretty sure it is a fact that I was born male. And my mother taught me that you can solve any problem with enough violence.
It's a part of becoming an adult to start thinking for yourself, I don't see how that expectation is out of line. |
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10/30/2012 11:35:15 PM · #204 |
Originally posted by Cory:
I'm perfectly willing to act on new information - unlike the average Christian human being. |
I took the liberty of correcting the above line for you, I'm sure it's closer to what you meant to say :-) |
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10/30/2012 11:37:58 PM · #205 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Cory:
I'm perfectly willing to act on new information - unlike the average Christian human being. |
I took the liberty of correcting the above line for you, I'm sure it's closer to what you meant to say :-) |
...Now you did it... you went and changed the focal point of the argument.
Where do you suppose we go from here? :O)
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10/30/2012 11:37:58 PM · #206 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Cory:
I'm perfectly willing to act on new information - unlike the average Christian human being. |
I took the liberty of correcting the above line for you, I'm sure it's closer to what you meant to say :-) |
...Now you did it... you went and changed the focal point of the argument.
Where do you suppose we go from here? :O)
Ray |
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10/30/2012 11:37:58 PM · #207 |
Hmmmm double post.
Message edited by author 2012-10-30 23:38:30. |
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10/30/2012 11:38:58 PM · #208 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Didn't you say up above somewhere you liked Jesus? I was quoting him. Make up your mind. |
I do like him. I like George Washington too, but I think people would object if I started quoting his views on slavery.
Some things become out dated, no matter how wise they were at the time.
You're still engaging in the same pattern, and I would like you to know how disrespectful I find it.
ETA: And you are NOT quoting him. You are quoting something attributed to him that has been through several translation layers. Lots of opportunity there for error, wouldn't you say? |
Lol. Ok Cory, you teach me what you know about good Mr. J that you don't know from scripture. Hit me with all the quotes and knowledge you got. You said you liked him. What were you basing that on?
You know when you are driving a car and its wet and you start to skid and you make a slightly too drastic adjustment and start to skid in the other direction and then the movements become more and more erratic? Ya, you look like that right now. |
I know the stories, and the guy they describe seems wise and kind and giving, quite a bit different from most Christians I have met, as I'm fairly sure he wouldn't have approved of many of the tricks that are played in his name today.
Didn't Jesus think money was the motivation behind much of the world's greatest evils? If that's so, then why do the churches spend so much time begging for more money? I'm betting Mr. J wouldn't approve.
So, by calling you out for ignoring half of what I've written I appear as though I am over-correcting in a skid do I?
I do think someone here looks desperate, but it's certainly not me, as I HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE in this argument, you're the only ones with anything at stake. :) |
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10/30/2012 11:40:10 PM · #209 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by kawesttex:
Originally posted by Cory:
(staying in a religion you don't believe in, and were born into) |
So you state this as a fact, but it's not a fact that your were born male. Interesting! As you have stated people have religious choices but yet you state that you are born into a religion. |
That's just a typo -- he means the religion you're borne into ... no one, without exposure to religious teachings of others (usually during childhood), would ever become a "Christian" or Jew or Hindu or any of the others, excepting of course if they heard the voice of God directly instructing them in its practices, in which case they'd almost certainly be committed for 72-hour psychiatric evaluation and probably given medication, while being denounced as a "false prophet" by the established religious powers ... |
Yes, I'm afraid I stated myself rather poorly there. Good catch General, and that is exactly what I meant. |
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10/30/2012 11:41:56 PM · #210 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Cory:
I'm perfectly willing to act on new information - unlike the average Christian human being. |
I took the liberty of correcting the above line for you, I'm sure it's closer to what you meant to say :-) |
Heh. Also quite correct. ;) |
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10/30/2012 11:51:18 PM · #211 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Sorry guys, I'm going to have to bow out. It looks like some section 8 people have just moved in next door and I've got to take care of it! |
How do you find the time to help Cory while also having gay people and women to take care of? |
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10/30/2012 11:51:52 PM · #212 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Sorry guys, I'm going to have to bow out. It looks like some section 8 people have just moved in next door and I've got to take care of it! |
Bit less than gracious aren't you? Would you say that was a Christian way to admit I have a good and valid point? Funny enough, I would. |
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10/31/2012 12:50:53 AM · #213 |
Every time I see one of these threads I tell myself not to bother. I usually listen to those nagging voices.
It's just so ridiculous sometimes, these threads always just go round and round until they seem to eventually tire out or get locked. I have no problem with you Cory, or what you want to believe but you're arguments don't hold up. You say that Chrisitians should leave their church because of what another Christian church does, but then you praise the Mormons for not doing that. Under your premise, the Mormons should leave what you call "bullshit" beliefs because of what is done in the name of Christianity. What they do instead is stick to what they believe and handle their own business and that is what they should do.
Your argument would hold more water if there was some type of "world hq" for christianity but there is not. ANYONE who believes they follow the teachings of Christ can call themselves a Christian. Now whether they actually do follow his teachings is always open for debate, but, in my opinion, telling someone they should leave what they beilieve in because of what someone else who's given themselves the same label but obviously has a different slant on it does, is ridiculous to me.
For the record, I quite agree that by and large, most Christian religions, in fact 99.99% do not follow the teachings of the bible let alone Jesus, only one does. Again thats IMO.
I think I am done with this, but I do want to say that if you don't think calling what millions of people consider to be the word of God and the most precious book in the world a Disney Story, or telling them their strongly held religious belief is bullshit is a low blow, well, I don't know what else to say. |
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10/31/2012 12:54:22 AM · #214 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Sorry guys, I'm going to have to bow out. It looks like some section 8 people have just moved in next door and I've got to take care of it! |
Bit less than gracious aren't you? Would you say that was a Christian way to admit I have a good and valid point? Funny enough, I would. |
It was a humorous zinger to leave the argument. After all these years I've slowly learned the wisdom in the question, "Who is more foolish? The fool, or the fool who argues with him?" (My apologies to Sir Alec Guiness) |
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10/31/2012 01:04:55 AM · #215 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
It was a humorous zinger to leave the argument. After all these years I've slowly learned the wisdom in the question, "Who is more foolish? The fool, or the fool who argues with him?" (My apologies to Sir Alec Guiness) |
Could you identify the players please in order that we could attempt to respond to your question? :O)
Ray |
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10/31/2012 01:10:15 AM · #216 |
| How do you fix a sagging cupboard? |
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10/31/2012 01:20:27 AM · #217 |
Originally posted by smardaz:
Every time I see one of these threads I tell myself not to bother. I usually listen to those nagging voices.
It's just so ridiculous sometimes, these threads always just go round and round until they seem to eventually tire out or get locked. I have no problem with you Cory, or what you want to believe but you're arguments don't hold up. You say that Chrisitians should leave their church because of what another Christian church does, but then you praise the Mormons for not doing that. Under your premise, the Mormons should leave what you call "bullshit" beliefs because of what is done in the name of Christianity. What they do instead is stick to what they believe and handle their own business and that is what they should do.
Your argument would hold more water if there was some type of "world hq" for christianity but there is not. ANYONE who believes they follow the teachings of Christ can call themselves a Christian. Now whether they actually do follow his teachings is always open for debate, but, in my opinion, telling someone they should leave what they beilieve in because of what someone else who's given themselves the same label but obviously has a different slant on it does, is ridiculous to me.
For the record, I quite agree that by and large, most Christian religions, in fact 99.99% do not follow the teachings of the bible let alone Jesus, only one does. Again thats IMO.
I think I am done with this, but I do want to say that if you don't think calling what millions of people consider to be the word of God and the most precious book in the world a Disney Story, or telling them their strongly held religious belief is bullshit is a low blow, well, I don't know what else to say. |
Perhaps there should be a world "HQ", as that is the primary advantage the Mormons have. They have also managed to seperate themselves from Christianity enough that most main-stream Christians see them as being somewhat crazy. The same argument can be made that Muslims are Christians, as they do recognize Jesus Christ, although they see him as a powerful prophet, not as the son of god.. Plus they think Mohammad is more relevant, and Christians reject Mohammad. And yes, I do think it's all a story, one with great power to influence people in potentially dangerous and potentially wonderful ways... Hence the need for some sort of regulation, we have UN, why isn't there some sort of religious governing body?
Oh, and I said silly, not bullshit. Yet another misattribution.
For what it's worth, I don't want to cause any of my Christian friends to hate me, but if keeping their friendship means not pointing out the obvious, then I suppose that may be the cost of following my convictions.
And really man... You only think one religion has follows the teaching of the bible and Jesus correctly huh? That's the sort of thinking that has started wars for centuries, and is the major reason I find most religions distasteful.
Please though, I am honestly really curious, what religion do you think has it perfectly right, and why do you think that? I'm genuinely curious and would absolutely be thrilled to see a well thought out and powerfully stated response to this question. |
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10/31/2012 01:23:42 AM · #218 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Oh, and I said silly, not bullshit. Yet another misattribution.
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Originally posted by Cory:
As to what they should do to remedy this situation to my liking? Just leave the church, go make your own decisions and stop believing in the bullshit dogma you've been fed. |
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10/31/2012 01:24:06 AM · #219 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Sorry guys, I'm going to have to bow out. It looks like some section 8 people have just moved in next door and I've got to take care of it! |
Bit less than gracious aren't you? Would you say that was a Christian way to admit I have a good and valid point? Funny enough, I would. |
It was a humorous zinger to leave the argument. After all these years I've slowly learned the wisdom in the question, "Who is more foolish? The fool, or the fool who argues with him?" (My apologies to Sir Alec Guiness) |
Ahh, so you just accidentally forgot to add any indication of that like a winking emoticon.
Well, I suppose I can forgive a fool his foolishness. ;) |
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10/31/2012 01:26:19 AM · #220 |
Originally posted by smardaz:
Originally posted by Cory:
Oh, and I said silly, not bullshit. Yet another misattribution.
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Originally posted by Cory:
As to what they should do to remedy this situation to my liking? Just leave the church, go make your own decisions and stop believing in the bullshit dogma you've been fed. |
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Damn it you smardaz, quote yourself as well, I know why you didn't though, it's because it doesn't make nearly as good of a post when you contradict yourself. Fine, I'll help you out.
You tried to say I called their beliefs bullshit. I did not, I called their beliefs silly. I did however call the dogma bullshit and I think even many Christians will agree with that statement.
Thanks for finding the quote to prove that you were mistaken, I appreciate the help.
ETA: I would also like to call you out for being disrespectful. You cherry picked a single statement out of my entire post, and failed to answer any hard question I posed to you... That sir, is both weak-sauce and disrespectful of me - I took the time to give you a full and complete answer, you were so lazy that all you could do was half-assedly argue by misconstruing what I said. That's a shit way to debate a topic and I would honestly appreciate it if you folks would stop that. now.)
Message edited by author 2012-10-31 01:54:11. |
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10/31/2012 01:29:42 AM · #221 |
Originally posted by Cory:
the cost of following my convictions. |
No harmony in spreading convictions, either for you or the poor sods who listen.
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10/31/2012 01:31:12 AM · #222 |
Originally posted by jagar:
Originally posted by Cory:
the cost of following my convictions. |
No harmony in spreading convictions, either for you or the poor sods who listen. |
You would honestly advocate doing nothing then? I fail to see how that helps a darn thing.
I'm sure you've read the quote twenty other times here, but what the hell.
"When good men do nothing, evil triumphs" |
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10/31/2012 01:33:21 AM · #223 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by jagar:
Originally posted by Cory:
the cost of following my convictions. |
No harmony in spreading convictions, either for you or the poor sods who listen. |
You would honestly advocate doing nothing then? I fail to see how that helps a darn thing.
I'm sure you've read the quote twenty other times here, but what the hell.
"When good men do nothing, evil triumphs" |
"Full to the brim" |
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10/31/2012 01:36:05 AM · #224 |
Originally posted by jagar:
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by jagar:
Originally posted by Cory:
the cost of following my convictions. |
No harmony in spreading convictions, either for you or the poor sods who listen. |
You would honestly advocate doing nothing then? I fail to see how that helps a darn thing.
I'm sure you've read the quote twenty other times here, but what the hell.
"When good men do nothing, evil triumphs" |
"Full to the brim" |
"Amphigory" |
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10/31/2012 01:41:30 AM · #225 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by jagar:
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by jagar:
Originally posted by Cory:
the cost of following my convictions. |
No harmony in spreading convictions, either for you or the poor sods who listen. |
You would honestly advocate doing nothing then? I fail to see how that helps a darn thing.
I'm sure you've read the quote twenty other times here, but what the hell.
"When good men do nothing, evil triumphs" |
"Full to the brim" |
"Amphigory" |
Everything is nonsensical to those who know all. May you continue to enlighten us all with your vast wisdom and knowelge.
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