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01/15/2013 09:30:38 AM · #101 |
As a new member if there was an abandoning of any of the Expert, advanced, basic modes I would be left feeling ripped off.
If the goal is to get more to participate in Expert mode challanges then perhaps think about the names themselves...
Regardless of your current skill level you can always submit to any challange, really basic ones just limit the tools at your disposal and expert opens up more options. It does not mean you have to use them. Expert is not the only place you will find 'unreal' images either so my suggestion is
Basic, Advanced, Expert... it implies a skill level requirement which not required. My suggestion is to use less intimidating/polarising wording
expert = unlimited
advanced = limited
basic = restricted
*ducks and runs to stand behind the nearest pet rock*
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01/15/2013 09:42:20 AM · #102 |
I've entered quite a few shots in expert editing challenges that were done under advanced rules and some have performed quite well. I also know they won't have the wow factor to have any shot at the topmost slots.
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01/15/2013 10:20:27 AM · #103 |
| I'm here to improve my photography. I like the advanced rule sets. But Expert, to me, is just way above what I want to do. I'll try a few more, but my goal is to enhance my images not totally change them. |
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01/15/2013 10:24:40 AM · #104 |
Originally posted by Marc923:
I'm here to improve my photography. I like the advanced rule sets. But Expert, to me, is just way above what I want to do. I'll try a few more, but my goal is to enhance my images not totally change them. |
And I think that interpretation of the ruleset is the fundamental issue. Freedom to do something is not an obligation. expert = freedom to do as little much or as little editing as your like :D
Words have power to change the filter through which we interact with the world, 'expert' is a loaded word.
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01/15/2013 10:35:51 AM · #105 |
Originally posted by StefanJSimons:
Originally posted by Marc923:
I'm here to improve my photography. I like the advanced rule sets. But Expert, to me, is just way above what I want to do. I'll try a few more, but my goal is to enhance my images not totally change them. |
And I think that interpretation of the ruleset is the fundamental issue. Freedom to do something is not an obligation. expert = freedom to do as little much or as little editing as your like :D
Words have power to change the filter through which we interact with the world, 'expert' is a loaded word. |
I agree, you can enter anything in an expert challenge, but man, look at what some of the expert gurus can do and that can be intimidating to some. I have always looked at expert editing as creating digital art, and just leave those challenges to the experts. Well, unless I can come up with something for the challenge, that is.
Message edited by author 2013-01-15 10:47:21. |
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01/15/2013 11:06:11 AM · #106 |
Originally posted by Marc923:
I agree, you can enter anything in an expert challenge, but man, look at what some of the expert gurus can do and that can be intimidating to some. I have always looked at expert editing as creating digital art, and just leave those challenges to the experts. Well, unless I can come up with something for the challenge, that is. |
minimal is much more intimidating than expert. |
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01/15/2013 11:16:26 AM · #107 |
OP - Why the lower participation in Expert? I think the answer has been hinted at by many of those who have posted here - folks are intimidated by those who do Expert well.
Since I've never entered a 6.5+ photo under ANY editing rules, you would expect me to be intimidated by any one of you - let alone the whole group. I should get discouraged, face reality, and just quit. But how am I going to improve (at least to you-all's level) by removing my exposure to that level of perfection, demand, and, yes, achievement? I feel like I have improved, a lot, in the past 5 years - and it is primarily due to being on dpc.
I like the Expert challenges, because you can play with things you can't do under the other rule sets. In a way, it is a bit like Dr. Suess - rough quote - "I like nonsense! It wakes up the brain."
One of the reasons I love  Gyaban's work is that he can actualize images that I can only imagine, and do so in a convincing manner. Part of the success of his images is the degree of realism in them (same with Salvador Dali - the melted clock, for all its unusualness, is still meticulously and in every crucial detail, a clock).
So, come on - take the plunge! So what if you don't do well - did you learn something? Are you here to learn or just to get praised? As Sam-I-Am would say, "Try them, try them, and you may! Try them and you may, I say!"
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01/15/2013 11:37:58 AM · #108 |
i like expert because i can attempt to create an image i otherwise wouldn't be able to. For whatever reason there are constraints in what we can accomplish in trying to capture what we want.
examples:
i was able to execute this entirely in camera, so i did:
this i wasn't able to, i couldn't get the candy to fall properly or look right. i did try however.
this one i didn't have the right props, nor was it snowing:
so its about being able to realize your vision and having the skillset to properly convey it. It shouldn't be intimidating, its just the opposite of what minimal is, where one needs to realize t
he vision entirely in camera.
Message edited by author 2013-01-15 11:38:40. |
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