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 10/23/2012 03:56:21 PM · #151
GOP pundits after the 1st debate: "Let's talk about the first debate!"

GOP pundits after the VP debate: "Let's talk about Joe Biden's manners!"

GOP pundits after the 2nd debate: "Moderators shouldn't fact-check!"

GOP pundits after the 3rd debate: "Let's talk about the first debate! None of the others really mattered!"

10/23/2012 04:59:37 PM · #152
Thats a legitimate question. Don't laugh! ;-)

Message edited by author 2012-10-23 17:04:39.
 10/23/2012 06:09:29 PM · #153


Message edited by author 2012-10-23 18:10:11.
 10/23/2012 06:34:05 PM · #154
He's not exactly shure just what a bayonet is. Might have something to do with horses.
 10/23/2012 07:31:03 PM · #155
Originally posted by cowboy221977:


You gotta admit it was a good line. It's dumb that Romney is attacking him on scaling back the military. Even if he was doing that, it's what the people who voted for him wanted. He campaigned on closing down Gitmo, pulling the troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan. What is contradictory is his hawkish use of drones in Pakistan. What is that operation called? Laos Part Deux?
 10/23/2012 07:49:33 PM · #156
Richard actually has a good topic. I didn't listen to the whole debate because they tend to bore me, but did they talk about drones? The US is setting dangerous precedent (in the international governing bodies we seem to be going for a "do as I say, not as I do" policy). Could we even fathom our reaction if Mexico announced that they had located a number of upper cartel members living in Nogales, had launched drones and successfull killed them?

I'm not sure Romney's position would be different than Obama, but perhaps we need to scale these things back or even quit them before we do irreparable damage to what is viewed as legitimate activity.

Message edited by author 2012-10-23 19:50:08.
 10/23/2012 09:05:59 PM · #157
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Richard actually has a good topic. I didn't listen to the whole debate because they tend to bore me, but did they talk about drones? The US is setting dangerous precedent (in the international governing bodies we seem to be going for a "do as I say, not as I do" policy). Could we even fathom our reaction if Mexico announced that they had located a number of upper cartel members living in Nogales, had launched drones and successfull killed them?

I'm not sure Romney's position would be different than Obama, but perhaps we need to scale these things back or even quit them before we do irreparable damage to what is viewed as legitimate activity.

Amen to that! This business of using drones to take out targets in areas where we're not at war is ridiculously arrogant and, by my standards, utterly immoral.
 10/23/2012 09:32:27 PM · #158
Drones are a scary thing- perhaps the culmination or validation of video game culture.

But even more than drones, we learned the hard and expensive way in the last decade that the USA
had geared up for so long to fight big battles against clearly defined armies and foes that,
in fact, counter-insurgency is the way of future conflicts. Perhaps the true ideological battle
is about the fine balance between waste, bloat, and the expansion of "non-military support staff"(private contractors)
balanced against American jobs (congression pork at times) building the machines of war.
 10/23/2012 09:34:58 PM · #159
If you dislike the drones, do you also condemn the raid that killed Osama Bin Ladden?

Yes, both are intrusions into another nation's sovereignty. Yet those nations knowingly or unknowingly harbor people who have declared war on our nation, and killed people around the world. It was the argument we declared war (strike that, we never declared war, we just waged it) on Afghanistan. If not the drones, do we just not pursue these people, or do we invade the countries that give them shelter?
 10/23/2012 09:38:42 PM · #160
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
If you dislike the drones, do you also condemn the raid that killed Osama Bin Ladden?

Yes, both are intrusions into another nation's sovereignty. Yet those nations knowingly or unknowingly harbor people who have declared war on our nation, and killed people around the world. It was the argument we declared war (strike that, we never declared war, we just waged it) on Afghanistan. If not the drones, do we just not pursue these people, or do we invade the countries that give them shelter?


When you put it that way, drones seem like the far lesser of two evils...
 10/23/2012 09:43:44 PM · #161
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
If you dislike the drones, do you also condemn the raid that killed Osama Bin Ladden?

Yes, both are intrusions into another nation's sovereignty. Yet those nations knowingly or unknowingly harbor people who have declared war on our nation, and killed people around the world. It was the argument we declared war (strike that, we never declared war, we just waged it) on Afghanistan. If not the drones, do we just not pursue these people, or do we invade the countries that give them shelter?


All good questions and the answer isn't some black-and-white yes and no. Killing Osama Bin Laden? Perhaps that is understandable. Killing Al Quaeda's backup librarian? Probably not. I try to apply the common sense golden rule and ask what I would tolerate if another country carried out an action on our soil. I don't know how many Predator attacks we've carried out, but I feel like they are common (maybe I'm wrong there).
 10/23/2012 09:54:23 PM · #162
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I don't know how many Predator attacks we've carried out, but I feel like they are common (maybe I'm wrong there).


The US has launched around 330 attacks that have killed between 1,883 and 3,191. It is safe to assume that each attack was launched to kill a single target, and that there was a "collateral damage" count of some multiplier that far exceeds the targeted. Messy business indeed.
 10/23/2012 11:08:02 PM · #163
Originally posted by blindjustice:
When you put it that way, drones seem like the far lesser of two evils...


Then lets hope China doesn't start training its people to do something like this except with drone consoles...

Message edited by author 2012-10-23 23:10:37.
 10/24/2012 01:52:07 PM · #164

10/24/2012 03:08:38 PM · #165
Originally posted by cowboy221977:


oh yeah, I'm sure deregulation will be great for bald eagles.

I love this poster. It makes me want to support Obama.
 10/24/2012 03:33:45 PM · #166
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:


oh yeah, I'm sure deregulation will be great for bald eagles.

I love this poster. It makes me want to support Obama.


LOL!
 10/24/2012 04:11:10 PM · #167
Originally posted by posthumous:
I love this poster. It makes me want to support Obama.

Congrats. At least you could find some reason to - however small it may be. :P
 10/24/2012 04:38:33 PM · #168

posthumous Yeah I think you missed the point...Romney is going to turn this country aroud...(the bald eagle being the symbol for the U.S.) and Obama is only worried about big bird....There are other ways to get funding for PBS other than the govmt giving millions of $$. They already do fairly well with fundraising.
 10/24/2012 04:50:08 PM · #169


This is the one I saw,

This election is about priorities, perhaps.


Message edited by author 2012-10-24 16:50:53.
 10/24/2012 04:53:19 PM · #170
Originally posted by blindjustice:


This is the one I saw,

This election is about priorities, perhaps.

Priorities like security for our Libyan Ambassador? ...oh wait, we don't have one any more. That can't be optimal.
 10/24/2012 05:01:00 PM · #171
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by blindjustice:


This is the one I saw,

This election is about priorities, perhaps.

Priorities like security for our Libyan Ambassador? ...oh wait, we don't have one any more. That can't be optimal.


If we go into blaming presidents for what happened on their watch...

Bush= 911, Nearly 3000 Americans dead (in New York City)
Reagan=83' Beirut-161 dead(cut and run- no response, no retribution)
Obama= Libya, 4 dead? IN the most unstable country save maybe, Syria. and who knows what Obama has in store for the perps.
 10/24/2012 05:03:02 PM · #172
Originally posted by blindjustice:
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by blindjustice:


This is the one I saw,

This election is about priorities, perhaps.

Priorities like security for our Libyan Ambassador? ...oh wait, we don't have one any more. That can't be optimal.


If we go into blaming presidents for what happened on their watch...

Bush= 911, Nearly 3000 Americans dead (in New York City)
Reagan=83' Beirut-161 dead(cut and run- no response, no retribution)
Obama= Libya, 4 dead? IN the most unstable country save maybe, Syria. and who knows what Obama has in store for the perps.


I can't wait til this election is over so we can start arguing about photographic related stuff, like Religion.
 10/24/2012 05:05:37 PM · #173
Originally posted by blindjustice:
Obama= Libya, 4 dead? IN the most unstable country save maybe, Syria. and who knows what Obama has in store for the perps.

Yawwwwwn to your attempt to deflect by saying others are worse. Stick tot his event/issue. There should be NO PERPS if requests for security had been granted. Then there's the blatant cover-up. Sorry, but Obama supporters who can't even hold him accountable for what they would crucify a Republican prez for have no credibility with me.
 10/24/2012 05:06:16 PM · #174
Originally posted by blindjustice:
I can't wait til this election is over so we can start arguing about photographic related stuff, like Religion.

God knows how much fun that is. :)
 10/24/2012 05:42:49 PM · #175
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
posthumous Yeah I think you missed the point...Romney is going to turn this country aroud...(the bald eagle being the symbol for the U.S.) and Obama is only worried about big bird....There are other ways to get funding for PBS other than the govmt giving millions of $$. They already do fairly well with fundraising.


ohhhhh is that what it means? I couldn't figure it out. I guess Sesame Street turned me into an idiot.
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