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10/18/2012 10:54:04 PM · #126

ken I doubt it

10/22/2012 09:10:52 PM · #127

Well here we go again

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10/22/2012 09:13:33 PM · #128

Obama's got strong leadership????I didn't know that...I was thinking quite the opposite

yanko

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10/22/2012 10:05:12 PM · #129

Originally posted by cowboy221977:

Well here we go again

You ranting endlessly or the debate?

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10/22/2012 10:10:36 PM · #130

sorry...I just think it is time we divorce the president and move to someone that might be able to do the country good

Dr.Confuser

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10/23/2012 12:23:31 AM · #131

I am a Romney advocate, and an inconsistent Republican ... but after watching tonight's debates, I fear Romney lost the election, tonight. I hope I'm wrong.

What say you ... ?

Art Roflmao

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10/23/2012 01:39:09 AM · #132

Originally posted by Dr.Confuser:

What say you ... ?

I watched. Meh, IMO neither one did too bad or very good. I would call this last debate a draw with a slight edge to Obama because expectations of him are still pretty low. He sure looked angry through the whole thing. He also once again acted like a challenger to Romney instead of the other way around.

I predict no change in momentum - still with Romney - and the more of this Libya debacle that comes out, the more O will slip away.

Just glad when this is over, as usual.

Paul

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10/23/2012 05:24:44 AM · #133

Originally posted by cowboy221977:

sorry...I just think it is time we divorce the president and move to someone that might be able to do the country good

That requires a definition of 'country'. Both candidates will advocate policies with differential benefits linked to demographics. I don't believe even objective measures such as GDP will help here - making the wealth richer will mean they will save more, often off shore and little benefit from the profits of growth will occur for the wider population. Unless that growth occurs with a strong link to manufacturing where the multiplier effect can make it work for the country. Lowering taxation is not an effective route to growth unless it is used to give the less well off more spending power and that they then keep their spending within the US economy.

Given all if that, global factors are likely to nullify much that can be done. As ever, voters will vote in a philosophical way rather than in a way that reflects the real benefits they themselves will accrue.

So, Cowboy - are you someone who will benefit from a Romney administration or are you philosophically aligned with his values, independent of whether you will benefit directly? Of course, this is your business not mine - just using you as an illustrative case.

I'm going to be interested as to how it turns out, but I'm convinced Obama is a better choice for the planet.

Kelli

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10/23/2012 07:15:03 AM · #134

Originally posted by Dr.Confuser:

I am a Romney advocate, and an inconsistent Republican ... but after watching tonight's debates, I fear Romney lost the election, tonight. I hope I'm wrong.

What say you ... ?

I say my distaste for Romney gets stronger every time he opens his mouth. He's the real life Conrad Grayson (Revenge).

10/23/2012 08:49:48 AM · #135

Originally posted by Paul:

I'm going to be interested as to how it turns out, but I'm convinced Obama is a better choice for the planet.

Actually Obama is, he is redistributing our wealth to the rest of the planet.

10/23/2012 09:11:45 AM · #136

Originally posted by Digipixer:

Actually Obama is, he is redistributing our wealth to the rest of the planet.

When people say things like this, do they really know what the hell they're talking about?
I'm being serious here. How is he redistributing US wealth to the rest of the world? Is he spending more or less then previous administrations in terms of foreign aid? (I require facts here, not your biased opinion.)

10/23/2012 09:26:39 AM · #137

Electric cars in Finnland, loans from China, our wealth includes our technology, which the last 4 presidents gladly exported.

Message edited by author 2012-10-23 09:30:08.

10/23/2012 09:42:23 AM · #138

Originally posted by Digipixer:

Electric cars in Finnland, loans from China, our wealth includes our technology, which the last 4 presidents gladly exported.

You need loans from China. China owns most of the US debt, and you better hope they don't want to cash it in any time soon.

The reason Finland got the $500 million dollar loan was there wasn't a manufacturer in the US which could manufacture the product. If you look at how it was spent, a good portion went to paying American engineers and scientists to prototype and design the vehicle.

Did you complain this much when Bush Jr. gave Israel $30 billion? Just asking because that number alone is an order of magnitude greater than the atrocities you're complaining about with Obama above.

10/23/2012 09:44:16 AM · #139

Atrocities..?? I'm not complaining. I want other countries to succeed on our dime. I just want our economy to be strong enough for us to afford to buy the products manufactured by other countries with our technology and foriegn aid money.

Message edited by author 2012-10-23 10:02:43.

10/23/2012 10:14:31 AM · #140

[quote=Venser] You need loans from China. China owns most of the US debt, and you better hope they don't want to cash it in any time soon.

You agree with me.

10/23/2012 10:23:31 AM · #141

Originally posted by Digipixer:

You agree with me.

I do with regards with loans from China, but that wasn't Obama's doing. It's been in the mix for decades. The US needs to watch because when China wants to do some currency manipulation, it won't be fun times for your country.

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10/23/2012 10:36:44 AM · #142

Originally posted by Venser:

It's been in the mix for decades.

Now who is reliying on their biased opinion?

Judith Polakoff

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10/23/2012 10:36:50 AM · #143

From my perspective, it seemed that Romney's strategy in last night's debate was to agree with Obama on nearly every issue, but assert that he would have taken those actions sooner and executed them better. The only question worth asking is how many changes in position did Romney accomplish last night, and has he yet broken the world record for political pandering.

Also, if Romney's goal was to "appear presidential," the copious sweating didn't help.

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10/23/2012 10:40:50 AM · #144

I like a president who sweats, makes you aware he could be lying. It's the ones who lie and never break a sweat that you have to worry about.

Judith Polakoff

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10/23/2012 10:59:23 AM · #145

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

I predict no change in momentum - still with Romney -

Nate Silver at the 538 blog disagrees with you re: momentum. The momentum seems to be with Obama now.

hahn23

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10/23/2012 11:25:12 AM · #146

I've made my vote decision based on last night's debate. It's clear to me now based on "horses and bayonets" and a knowledge (or lack thereof) of geography. My Colorado is a swing state and I think I heard a shift to mostly decided now.

Mitt Romney attacked Barack Obama in Monday's debate on what the Republican senses is a weakening military, charging that our navy is smaller now "than at any time since 1917." But the president turned out to have plenty of ordnance. "Governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets," Obama answered sarcastically. "The nature of our military has changed. We have these things called aircraft carriers where planes land on them. We have ships that go under water: nuclear submarines. The question is not a game of 'Battleship' where we're counting ships."

During the debate last night, Mitt Romney mentioned that Syria is important because it's Iran's "route to the sea."

10/23/2012 11:25:12 AM · #147

Originally posted by Digipixer:

Originally posted by Venser:

It's been in the mix for decades.

Now who is reliying on their biased opinion?

Say what?
China owns about 8 percent of publicly held U.S. debt. That amounts to around $1.2 trillion dollars. You think that just amassed since Obama became president? It's not an opinion when it's based in fact. China and Japan have always owned a large portion of your debt over the last three decades.