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08/18/2004 10:56:12 PM · #1 |
| just wondering whats the differance between them is it just speed or what? because i want to be a wedding photographer and they all have d1x type cameras and me with my little d70 is confused. |
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08/18/2004 11:17:31 PM · #2 |
| I shoot with both the Nikon D1X and the D70. The image size and quality is identical. As far as wedding photography is concerned, there is nothing that the D1X will do that you cannot do with the D70. There are some things the D70 does better than the D1x such as the creative lighting... ittl and the remote lighting system. I plan to sell my D1X and use the D70 plus another D70 as a backup. I love the D70. |
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08/18/2004 11:21:09 PM · #3 |
its the final result that matters my friend... D1X is very expensive and has now been replaced by the D2X so they are out of date then, I love my D70 and would proudly stand/sit next to any pro with whatever camera they had and feel no shame (only about my inability to take good pix) it's not the camera its the man behind it that counts.. in fact i have a friend who works for a local newspaper and he still uses my old Minolta Dimage 7 ... go figure. his work is staggering. I'de say "be proud with your D70 its a great cam and with good glass it's as good as any other pro camera.. besides you wont need the extra speed only for sports etc.. unless of cause the bride has a change of heart and has it off on her toes then you may need the extra speed to shoot her tailing it down the road, other than that BE PROUD>> the D70 is a FINE machine and definately a PRO camera.
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08/18/2004 11:48:10 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by alionic:
its the final result that matters my friend... ... it's not the camera its the man behind it that counts.. |
I totally agree. The photographer makes the photograph, not the camera.
But what if you have a 1mp camera? You aint gettin' no result oudda that!
Try printing off postage stamp-sized photo's and invoicing a raging bride for them... |
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08/19/2004 03:56:08 AM · #5 |
I agree, it's not the camera it's the photographer. You try standing next to half a dozen sports photogs at an event with a 300D though.. :-)
The D70 and 10D do get some respect from sports photogs though, from my experience.. |
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08/19/2004 07:28:23 AM · #6 |
I actually did some test shots with my D70 and DrJones' D1X. We used the same lenses on both with the exact same settings. We unscientifically found that:
1- the images were quite identical on alsmost everything
2- the D1x did show just a little less noise in the darker areas (and that could only be seen at 200%)
3- the colors were a tad more saturated with the D70 which makes it truer to what the eye sees.
4- the D1x is a lot heavier than the D70
5- the new buffer technology on the D70 (same as D2H) surpasses the D1X even after the $400 buffer upgrade.
Like DrJones told me: Yanik you have a great camera!!!! :-)
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08/19/2004 07:34:42 AM · #7 |
I love the name Yanik, no idea why, it's just such a nice name.
And after that completely bizaare interruption I'll get back to "work".
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08/19/2004 07:37:51 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by alionic:
BE PROUD>> the D70 is a FINE machine and definately a PRO camera. |
Hoho, the D70 is certainly not a Pro camera. Neither is the D100.
You use that like a pro - shooting every day, knocking it about, dropping it on the floor, lying down in dirt with it and then see what it's like after a month of usage.
Main difference is build quality and materials - D1 D1X D2H are all built like tanks and made to be hard wearing.
Image quality doesn't even figure. The D1 is still a good cam - it was good enough for high end professionals 5 years ago, it's good enough for them now.
Message edited by author 2004-08-19 07:39:29. |
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08/19/2004 07:46:34 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by Kavey:
I love the name Yanik, no idea why, it's just such a nice name.
And after that completely bizaare interruption I'll get back to "work". |
Talking of names, best name in the world: Jacques Chirac. If I was to chnage my name that would be it. ;D just slips off your tounge.
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08/19/2004 08:27:15 AM · #10 |
The same as lenses: from Gold Berry
"That same lens is $299 at Vistek in CND...crazy...
Well my boyfriend and I [I borrowed the lens from his very anal retentive friend out of sheer desparation] were just returning from a horrid attempt to find me an apartment..I was just finishing complaining about not really have enough $$$$ [even after busting my hump with my job and my photography] to pay first and last month's rent. I gave him the lens to bring it back, he hugged me, and as I stepped back he dropped it. I saw the thing bounce in slow motion. The insides are like marbles now. I'm very disappointed it happened. Nearly depressed. Considering I have a 10D sitting upstairs with NO lens period cause I can't afford it.
Oh yeah and the picture for the link posted above doesn't match the lens I have [the broken one I feel like whipping against the wall]." |
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08/19/2004 08:37:46 AM · #11 |
Best use of equipment so far:
Canon 1D, no lens mount cap, mount down on wet tarmac when it's raining
300/2.8, no lens caps, lying on wet tarmac when it's raining
SO many times I see pro kits with loads of gaffer tape and all sorts over their cameras and lenses. As Jon says, pro cameras really are in a different realm. :-)
PS. Those examples above, I'm not talking about for 10 secs either - I'm talking for 5-10 mins minimum. |
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08/19/2004 08:47:59 AM · #12 |
I continue to be amazed when I see folks with incredible cameras questioning whether they need an upgrade... I wish I could recall the link, but I'm pretty sure it was buried in Luminous Landscape... Anyway, it stated that before you buy new equipment you should be able to state 3 reasons why you need the gear. The idea was that if you weren't technically at the point where you understood exactly what feature you were lacking and multiple applications where that specific feature would be of benefit, you probably should focus more on technique. Of course, its all null and void if you have deep pockets :)
For example, I upgraded to the D70 because my dc4800 didn't work well in shutter or aperture priority mode which was imparing my ability to do plant close-ups (controlled DOF) and motion blurred water. The megapixels were too low for the enlargements I wanted to do, and the battery life required me to carry too many batteries (30 shots / battery).
Don't get me wrong, I drool over sleek new gear just like anyone else! But spend some time selecting a random digicam or SLR that's NOT as nice as yours, then look at the DPC cameras page for that unit and ask yourself if you could consistently shoot images of that quality with your nicer camera. If the answer is "yes" then you can probably already name the features you need and how you'll apply them.
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08/19/2004 08:48:30 AM · #13 |
I shoot a D100 and a good friend of mine shoots with a D70. We just shot a wedding together last weekend. I truely feel that his D70 is getting just a slight better picture (saturation was great).
My uncle just sold his D1X and got a D70. Mostly for weight and megapix improvement. His is retired and really didn't need the D1x bulk, really liked the D70 size and weight, and it takes awesome pics.
Message edited by author 2004-08-19 08:48:56.
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08/19/2004 09:00:56 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by cghubbell:
Anyway, it stated that before you buy new equipment you should be able to state 3 reasons why you need the gear. |
I need a 1DmkII because:
1) weather sealed
2) better AF/metering
3) bigger buffer
YAY, I qualify! Oh, and let's not forget:
4) It's ain't $%^&&%^ SILVER!! |
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08/19/2004 09:06:13 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by PaulMdx:
Originally posted by cghubbell:
Anyway, it stated that before you buy new equipment you should be able to state 3 reasons why you need the gear. |
I need a 1DmkII because:
1) weather sealed
2) better AF/metering
3) bigger buffer
YAY, I qualify! Oh, and let's not forget:
4) It's ain't $%^&&%^ SILVER!! |
Yeah, weather sealed is nice... I don't do too much monsoon shooting though. Snow is a pretty regular condition for me, even light drizzle, but I just don't enjoy being out in heavy rain. I haven't had my D70 out in anything real yet although it seems to be good enough for all but extended rain.
A few of the outdoor sites have had write-ups about the D70 surviving all kinds of
abuse. Nothing to compare to an all-metal pro frame, but when ranked against similar units the D70 seemed to be thought of as more durable than the norm. Purely subjective - just what I picked up from reading.
Let's face it though, we ALL need a 1DmkII don't we?
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08/19/2004 09:12:31 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by cghubbell:
Let's face it though, we ALL need a 1DmkII don't we? |
I really could use one, because more often than not I shoot horse driving in the rain (certainly during the "summer" months), but it's a lot of cash to shell out. Think I'll have to opt for a weather proof bag instead. Or a zip-lock bag, which a lot of pros swear by anyway. Thank heaven the 70-200 is weather proof, otherwise I'd stand no chance. |
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08/19/2004 09:48:28 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by cghubbell:
I continue to be amazed when I see folks with incredible cameras questioning whether they need an upgrade... I wish I could recall the link, but I'm pretty sure it was buried in Luminous Landscape... Anyway, it stated that before you buy new equipment you should be able to state 3 reasons why you need the gear. The idea was that if you weren't technically at the point where you understood exactly what feature you were lacking and multiple applications where that specific feature would be of benefit, you probably should focus more on technique. Of course, its all null and void if you have deep pockets :)
For example, I upgraded to the D70 because my dc4800 didn't work well in shutter or aperture priority mode which was imparing my ability to do plant close-ups (controlled DOF) and motion blurred water. The megapixels were too low for the enlargements I wanted to do, and the battery life required me to carry too many batteries (30 shots / battery). |
TOTALLY agree.
We had a really cheap really crap digital camera first and, being a long time film SLR user, I was frustrated constantly by complete and utter lack of control over anything other than what I pointed it at before pressing the shutter.
We would have loved to rush out and buy a digital SLR straight away (and could have afforded to do so) but it didn't make sense to do that when we had not explored whether a midrange model might satisfy our needs.
So we chose the Minolta Dimage 7i and it certainly gave us a lot of additional flexibility. We had higher resolution, more control of features such as aperture and shutter speed, exposure compensation, a good range of focal lengths and so on.
Before buying our D70 we used the Minolta enough to really be able to say WHY we wanted it: hate the digital viewfinder, wanted a wider range on the focal length front, wanted ability to use filters, wanted faster start up time and faster write time (i.e. higher frame rate), particularly for use on our beloved wildlife/ safari holidays.
Lots more but those jump to mind first off.
If your failure to get the results you want is actually because you're butting up against the limits of your camera (ie you want shallower DOF but your camera rules that out, you need to be able to compensate on exposure for certain situations but your camera rules that out too etc.) then consider a new camera.
If you're simply unable to take an image that really stands out, has charisma, has strong composition etc etc then a better camera will just not help.
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08/19/2004 10:01:35 AM · #18 |
Yup, in 7 years time the D2H will be as cheap as chips - yet people will say resolution is crap and image quality is poor and build quality is downright horrible, and the images are simply unsatisfactory.
If it's good enough now, it will be good enough in 7 years time when we are all shooting 100 megapixel images.
I am getting a D1 in a few weeks for 300 GBP ;)
D1 Review - was $4999! |
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08/19/2004 10:09:52 AM · #19 |
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08/19/2004 10:16:05 AM · #20 |
To answer your question - I think for standard weddings a D70 will suffice just fine. A lot of weddings i have been to over the last 2 years have had D100 photographers.
A proper / expensive wedding photographer will use medium format like a Hasselblad et al.
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