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 09/19/2012 02:10:43 PM · #151
Originally posted by mike_311:
lol, i dont get it. practicing free speech is one thing, causing trouble just to cause it is another.


But isn't that nearly exactly what Westboro Baptist does? That right was almost unanimously upheld by the supreme court.
 09/19/2012 02:21:52 PM · #152
I call Godwin on the last post! ;)

Message edited by author 2012-09-19 14:22:02.
 09/19/2012 02:29:25 PM · #153
I think people need to remember that freedom of speech doesn't mean you can say whatever the hell you want, it has limitations.

Freedom of speech does not allow for the cause of harming of others, intentional or not, libel slander, etc. west baptist, as much as i despise their actions, hasn't caused harm to anyone. Had they or if they do in the future, they could be held liable for prosecution or civil suits.

Maybe the people that cause trouble should be start getting sued.

Message edited by author 2012-09-19 14:30:00.
 09/19/2012 02:51:51 PM · #154
But if the offending items are deemed to be a satire or parody, then they are unconditionally protected by the freedom of speech, per Hustler v. Falwell, 1988.

Message edited by author 2012-09-19 15:02:35.
 09/19/2012 02:59:43 PM · #155
ok, you got me.

so you can't sue for wrongful death if your "satire" incites and violent retaliation?

Message edited by author 2012-09-19 15:01:07.
 09/19/2012 03:31:10 PM · #156
Personally I think the causation would be very difficult to argue - unless you could find some sort of direct communication between the satirist and the murderous regime.
 09/19/2012 04:22:00 PM · #157
Sticks and stones will break my bones, but names will never hurt me.
 09/19/2012 06:19:22 PM · #158
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Sticks and stones will break my bones, but names will never hurt me.


Then sticks and stones it is!
 09/19/2012 06:49:36 PM · #159
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Is this where we spend 50 posts arguing about the Black Panthers? ;)


No, just one ... ;-)

Well, maybe two ...
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Peralta [Community College District] News - September 19, 2012

Richard Aoki Special Report (3 Episodes)

In 2008, Peralta TV produced an award-winning documentary on the origins of the Black Panther Party at Merritt College. As part of the documentary, âMerritt College: Home of the Black Panthers,â Peralta TV interviewed Richard Aoki, who for many years worked for the Peralta Community College District as a teacher, administrator and counselor.

Although regarded by many as a leader in civil rights and activist circles, recent evidence suggests that Richard Aoki may have been an FBI informant. Peralta TV conducted a 90-minute interview with him in October 2008, just months before he died in 2009.

Was Richard Aoki an FBI informant or a committed revolutionary? See his story, and our conclusion at the end of Episode 3. (see videos)
 09/19/2012 07:05:20 PM · #160
I'm guessing (could be wrong) Doc was referring to the NEW Black Panther Party - quite different from the original.
 09/21/2012 09:20:59 AM · #161
The original black panthers weren't saints either.
 09/21/2012 08:40:56 PM · #162
Well, well, well!

Looks like maybe someone's gotten the memo here.

Good on them.
 09/21/2012 09:53:10 PM · #163
Originally posted by Cory:
Well, well, well!

Looks like maybe someone's gotten the memo here.

Good on them.

Good to see! Gives hope. ...at least for Libya.
 09/22/2012 01:06:58 AM · #164
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by Cory:
Well, well, well!

Looks like maybe someone's gotten the memo here.

Good on them.

Good to see! Gives hope. ...at least for Libya.


I have a freind, Tufeg, who is Libyan.... Went to college with him, and he was my neighbor... Really great guy... His roommate Ramadan? I was always kinda surprised to walk out the door and not find him burning an American Flag wearing a suicide vest. Guy was just hostile. I think that tends to sum up the whole area - a big group of really nice guys, sprinkled in with a handful of what must be the most hateful and dangerous folks on the planet. I'm always torn between wanting to just see every one of the radicals given virgins, and just feeling sorry for the other 90% of the population.
 09/22/2012 02:44:09 AM · #165
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by Cory:
Well, well, well!

Looks like maybe someone's gotten the memo here.

Good on them.

Good to see! Gives hope. ...at least for Libya.


I have a freind, Tufeg, who is Libyan.... Went to college with him, and he was my neighbor... Really great guy... His roommate Ramadan? I was always kinda surprised to walk out the door and not find him burning an American Flag wearing a suicide vest. Guy was just hostile. I think that tends to sum up the whole area - a big group of really nice guys, sprinkled in with a handful of what must be the most hateful and dangerous folks on the planet. I'm always torn between wanting to just see every one of the radicals given virgins, and just feeling sorry for the other 90% of the population.

I think that "90%" needs to man up and quell the troublemakers - as they seem to be doing in that story. Actually I heard a figure from a security expert the other night that puts the radical extremists at 17% of the Muslim population. It's not a simple problem by any means, but it is definitely one that needs to be addressed in no uncertain terms.
 09/26/2012 11:36:59 AM · #166
State Senator Tony Avella walks off stage at a Muslim parade in disgust
 09/26/2012 11:40:48 AM · #167
As he should have.
You can't be associated with crazy if you're a politician.

Message edited by author 2012-09-26 11:44:07.
 09/26/2012 11:46:56 AM · #168
Originally posted by Venser:
As he should have.
You can't be associated with crazy if you're a politician.


With the shit they're spouting, I'm not sure walking of the stage was the right move.... Personally I would have advocated for him to toss her ass off stage before taking the walk.
 09/26/2012 12:49:11 PM · #169
Originally posted by Cory:
... Personally I would have advocated for him to toss her ass off stage before taking the walk.

Immediately and violently remove the opposition ... now where have I heard of this strategy before ...?
 09/26/2012 01:02:54 PM · #170
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Cory:
... Personally I would have advocated for him to toss her ass off stage before taking the walk.

Immediately and violently remove the opposition ... now where have I heard of this strategy before ...?


Meet fire with fire. Don't stand in my house and tell me that you want to destroy everything you see.

Besides, tossing her from the stage isn't particularly violent, it's quite measured... I think cutting her tongue out would have been violent, and extreme.

Message edited by author 2012-09-26 13:04:17.
 09/26/2012 01:16:48 PM · #171
I suppose I could read all the posts before I write this, but...

While all sorts of crazies are reacting in all sorts of crazy ways about what some lame idiot posted on facebook, erm...

The crazies are an infinitessimal percentage of the societies they come from.

The US has practised a heavy-handed neo-colonialism in the areas where these societies are, that's what draws the reaction.
 09/26/2012 01:43:15 PM · #172
I was wondering what the folks who are not fans of Obama thought of the advertising buy in Pakistan to try to put oil on the waters and his speech before the UN.

"Americans have fought and died around the globe to protect the right of all people to express their views -- even views that we profoundly disagree with. We do so not because we support hateful speech, but because our founders understood that without such protections, the capacity of each individual to express their own views and practice their own faith may be threatened."

I find the purchase of advertising time on foreign airwaves a strange idea, although I understand the motive, the notion of privatizing state department work seems like it could be a dangerous road.
 09/26/2012 03:54:26 PM · #173
I guess I somewhat fall in that category.

Overall the speech was pretty good. I think he's going out of his way to call the video "disgusting" and condemn it. I see that as almost bending to the Islamic religious powers. I don't recall Gerald Ford condemning "Life of Brian" for Ireland, Norway, or Christians. Why would he?

I still think that the video has become a scapegoat or sorts for the murder of Stevens. It was publicly blamed on the video, but from what I have seen it was not really directly caused by it.

For coverage from the opposite bias, here's a Pakistani news article that covers the event and tries to correct some of the misinformation. //www.newspakistan.pk/2012/09/18/blasphemy-prophet-pbuh-control-riots/

Originally posted by the link:
the US Ambassador was killed in avenging a death a member of Al-Qaida by the militant organisation.[sic]


Here's a very recent story that supports the same theory: //www.nytimes.com/2012/09/27/world/africa/clinton-cites-clear-link-between-al-qaeda-and-attack-in-libya.html?_r=0
 09/26/2012 07:56:48 PM · #174
Originally posted by raish:
I suppose I could read all the posts before I write this, but...

While all sorts of crazies are reacting in all sorts of crazy ways about what some lame idiot posted on facebook, erm...

The crazies are an infinitessimal percentage of the societies they come from.

The US has practised a heavy-handed neo-colonialism in the areas where these societies are, that's what draws the reaction.


Indeed. The US and other Western states as well of course,

Muslim Rage is a comfy narrative to fall into for many people.

To quote from the blog...

'Every few years something will happen in the world, and Western media will latch onto images of very angry Muslims yelling and screaming their bearded little zebeebaâed heads off about it, never mind that there are literally millions of us in the world, and that only a relative handful are out making fools of themselves about it.

You know the picture Iâm talking about, because youâve seen it a million times - arms raised, hairy hands fisted, eyebrows in a V, and if they could add a speech bubble in, it would probably say âALLAHU AKBAR!!!!â Sick of the narrative? I am too.

There are people who are - probably at this very moment - writing very thoughtful, intelligent, cogent pieces about this phenomenon. I choose humor. If you havenât caught on yet, this blog means to provide some relief - through the stultifying effects of parody - from the commonly-accepted narrative.

If you are a Muslim, and if something has enraged you recently that is NOT about somebody insulting your prophet, email me about it. You might just be world-famous/this-blog-famous.

Sincerely, the very enraged,'



Message edited by author 2012-09-26 20:00:22.
 09/27/2012 06:11:38 PM · #175
Sadly, changes are not apt to occur based solely on the effort of western democracies ... these have to be initiated by the powers within these countries,and that course of action does not seem to be at the forefront of their preoccupation at this juncture.

Ray
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