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09/01/2012 08:22:06 AM · #26 |
Originally posted by littlemav:
One day I left a suggestion comment on Bear's photo, OMG when it rolled over and I saw who it was I was so embarrased!! But, it was an honest opinion Just because I don't feel I would be qualified to critique some one who does such wonderful work, and that I feel is a better photographer than myself.. |
Originally posted by blindjustice:
I wanted to hear others opinions and really wasn't suggesting we remove names.
Oddly enough, I bring this up with the same embarrassment in mind having also left Bear a comment about something, later to see who It was and cringe.
I think I gave him a suggestion on processing a shot! Ha! |
One of the things I've learned here is that styles of commenting are as wide and varied as subject material and shooting/processing styles. I get a little frustrated from time to time because someone will make a "suggestion" that I should or shouldn't have used this or that technique......when I hadn't. I pretty much confine myself to expressing my view as to how the image made an impression on me rather than a suggestion of how the image could have been made "better". Better is relative, and IMNSHO, the photog generally will do what they felt to be best for their expression of what they hope to convey. To me, that makes any suggestion I may have specific to my own tastes and not necessarily shared by either the photog, or the voters as a group.
I would imagine that any entrant first and foremost wants to know if they've expressed their idea through their image the way they intended rather than wanting to know how to make it "better".
Just my $0.02 US........YMMV.
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09/01/2012 09:32:10 AM · #27 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by littlemav:
One day I left a suggestion comment on Bear's photo, OMG when it rolled over and I saw who it was I was so embarrased!! But, it was an honest opinion Just because I don't feel I would be qualified to critique some one who does such wonderful work, and that I feel is a better photographer than myself.. |
Originally posted by blindjustice:
I wanted to hear others opinions and really wasn't suggesting we remove names.
Oddly enough, I bring this up with the same embarrassment in mind having also left Bear a comment about something, later to see who It was and cringe.
I think I gave him a suggestion on processing a shot! Ha! |
One of the things I've learned here is that styles of commenting are as wide and varied as subject material and shooting/processing styles. I get a little frustrated from time to time because someone will make a "suggestion" that I should or shouldn't have used this or that technique......when I hadn't. I pretty much confine myself to expressing my view as to how the image made an impression on me rather than a suggestion of how the image could have been made "better". Better is relative, and IMNSHO, the photog generally will do what they felt to be best for their expression of what they hope to convey. To me, that makes any suggestion I may have specific to my own tastes and not necessarily shared by either the photog, or the voters as a group.
I would imagine that any entrant first and foremost wants to know if they've expressed their idea through their image the way they intended rather than wanting to know how to make it "better".
Just my $0.02 US........YMMV. |
There are many, many times when I look at photos on here and think they could have improved it with a bit more processing (or a bit less processing. :)
The most helpful comment I received on DPC was from andrewt: "I feel that you could have done more with this image. A lot of potential here, 6". I PMd him after the challenge was over, and he gave me suggestions on how to process the picture more effectively. Here's the original, btw:
I did the best that I could at the time, because I simply didn't know any better. But things were flat, a bit noisy, and needed some pop. A simple denoise, increase in contrast to get some rich darks and a little warming to make it glow can turn a nice photo into a beautiful photo.
Just because a photographer chooses a processing style that they want, doesn't mean that it works for the viewer. Even if I love my processing, I still welcome the comments from the people who want it changed -- I'm curious to see what they see in my photograph, and I enjoy knowing what works and what doesn't. If the comment is on processing, I figure that the viewer is finding the photo itself worthwhile, but that something I did got in the way of their enjoyment. I want to know what it is.
When  littlemav said that she'd NEVER comment on my photos, I grinned from ear to ear to be thought of as one of the big boys, but then I broke down into sobs of misery (well... maybe I frowned a bit) because I really want that type of feedback. My eyes are lousy, and I have a tendency to over process to compensate. So I really want to hear these things. My freestudy is at 5.6, and it's all because littlemav wouldn't tell me that my processing sucked!! ;)
The bottom line is this: people should welcome comments whether or not they agree with them. People comment for two reasons: either to try to help you or to help themselves.
If they're trying to help you make your shot better, who cares if they're way off base and missing something? Their heart is in the right place. They're going out of their way, chancing getting an irritated reply just to help you out. They're doing it out of kindness, and if they're totally off base, how does that hurt you? Plus, you know that you failed to get across that which you were hoping. Another piece of information that can be helpful.
If they're commenting to help themselves, it simply means that they're learning on your shot. They're looking to see what they would have done differently. It's much easier to learn on someone else's shots than on your own. It opens up a whole new world and a new perspective. Learning is good and should be encouraged. I think people can handle these comments. Just ignore them if they're not to your liking.
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09/01/2012 10:59:15 AM · #28 |
My freestudy is at 5.6, and it's all because littlemav wouldn't tell me that my processing sucked!! ;)
Running to go find a Wendy shot that I can use the word suck on... (fat chance) I have left a comment or two on sea gull shots useing your name.. ie Brilliant Wendy etc... just to see at roll over it Wern't you... LOL Since seagulls are not an option in MO I've taken to hunting frogs so some one will think I'm Lydia..... :)
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09/01/2012 11:19:55 AM · #29 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
I'd bet quite a few of us would leave more comments should they know who the entrant is. I know one of the things that prevents me from leaving comments is the constant griping about who you can and can't leave a comment on their image.......like you have any way to tell when it's anonymous...... |
Why would knowing who took the shot affect whether you leave a comment? Do you track who appreciates comments and who doesn't?
I don't worry about who I leave comments for. They put their photo in a challenge, and commenting's part of it. They're welcome to ignore my comment.
That said, I do agree with what you said in your next post: it's best when you discuss what works for you as the viewer. People who act as if they're the ultimate arbiter of "good" annoy me. But I'll still take their comments over no comments. |
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09/01/2012 11:30:02 AM · #30 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
I'd bet quite a few of us would leave more comments should they know who the entrant is. I know one of the things that prevents me from leaving comments is the constant griping about who you can and can't leave a comment on their image.......like you have any way to tell when it's anonymous...... |
Originally posted by levyj413:
Why would knowing who took the shot affect whether you leave a comment? Do you track who appreciates comments and who doesn't? |
It's not so much that I track them, but having been here for a while, I know some people well enough to know how to best comment for them. I have very little to offer anyone as far as helpful advice goes, but I might express my impressions different between two people with similar images based on what I know about them. I wouldn't be inclined to vote differently, but I would comment differently.
Originally posted by levyj413:
I don't worry about who I leave comments for. They put their photo in a challenge, and commenting's part of it. They're welcome to ignore my comment. |
Yeah......but some folks definitely don't take certain types of comments well. I really don't want to get blistered after taking the time to comment.
Originally posted by levyj413:
That said, I do agree with what you said in your next post: it's best when you discuss what works for you as the viewer. People who act as if they're the ultimate arbiter of "good" annoy me. But I'll still take their comments over no comments. |
Yeah......it's easy for me to avoid that trap since I don't know much from any technical aspects.......I'm just a shootist that muddles through with Elements.
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09/01/2012 01:16:44 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
some folks definitely don't take certain types of comments well. I really don't want to get blistered after taking the time to comment.
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You've gotten nasty messages after leaving comments? Man, some people!
As for "only" using Elements, it's what I use now. I've found it does everything I used to do using my full-blown, 5-year-old PS, with only the exception of quick mask, and there's even a tool that does a pretty good approximation of that.
Edited to note that it also doesn't do curves.
Message edited by author 2012-09-01 15:18:39. |
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09/01/2012 03:02:21 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by levyj413:
As for "only" using Elements, it's what I use now. I've found it does everything my full-blown, 5-year-old PS does ... |
Does it include Curves? That's the one major feature missing in earlier versions of Elements I'd consider essential. |
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09/01/2012 03:17:52 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by levyj413:
As for "only" using Elements, it's what I use now. I've found it does everything my full-blown, 5-year-old PS does ... |
Does it include Curves? That's the one major feature missing in earlier versions of Elements I'd consider essential. |
Nope, that's one other thing I used to use a lot, but I haven't missed it. I also haven't missed spending hundreds more dollars for upgrades to PS. :) |
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