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08/30/2012 10:37:17 PM · #128

Originally posted by JamesDowning:

Originally posted by scalvert:
the Tea Party was cultivated by the Koch Brothers and Fox News.

...the Tea Party's true beginnings were much more grass-rooty than Americans for Prosperity. If you want to be technical, CNBC was the source of the beginning of the tea party movement, not Fox. The video of Santelli's rant went viral, which led to this idea of a Tea Party.

Cultivated, not originated. The question was whether the Tea Party IS grassroots, not whether it began that way. Even so, Santelli's rant itself may go back to the influence of the Koch Brothers. Bear in mind that the mortgage plan Santelli was railing about was an extension of the Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008, signed into law before Obama was elected.

Originally posted by JamesDowning:

Saying that the original Tea Party was against a corporate tax cut is not very accurate. It was against a type of corporate bailout, for a single "too big to fail" British corporation that was failing financially.

The Boston Tea Party was literally a protest against a corporate tax cut while the new Tea Party is demanding corporate tax cuts for companies that already make billions in profit. Note that the same Tea Party you say hated the bailouts of companies that made questionable financial moves leading directly to the global recession have another major demand: less government regulation over business. Does anybody seriously think the crisis of subprime mortgages, derivatives, and credit default swaps was caused by too MUCH regulatory oversight?!? It's pretty obvious the group is fueled by misinformation and ignorance when their own goals are contradictory.

Originally posted by JamesDowning:

Probably because a vast amount of America (and probably the world) are idiots.

I totally agree.

Originally posted by JamesDowning:

I'd like to see a link to the declaration that you say Romney has made about ignoring fact-checkers.

Here ya' go. While it was Romney's campaign, rather than Romney himself, who made this declaration, they certainly appear to be standing by it. You know it's bad when FOX News calls the Republican VP's speech "an apparent attempt to set the world record for the greatest number of blatant lies and misrepresentations slipped into a single political speech."

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08/30/2012 10:41:54 PM · #129

Originally posted by GeneralE:

You don't think the government should have the right to control your guns, right? Should they be able to put you in jail should you choose to play Russion Roulette?

I'll take that as a yes to the crack support.
As to the Russian Roulette and the crack, locked up in a mental ward right after being neutered sounds about right to me. Ever see a crack baby?

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08/30/2012 10:44:52 PM · #130

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

The problem with your analogy is we know a priori that War of the Worlds is fiction. We cannot, with honesty, just a priori claim it of Fox. We have to do the work to show they are false.

We only know War of the Worlds was fiction in historical hindsight. The people who didn't know it was fiction at the time are directly analogous to people with irrational fears resulting from belief in fictional accounts today, and Fox News broadcasting false accounts to instill fear is directly analogous to CBS broadcasting a fictional account then (even if the latter wasn't necessarily intentional). That's why I include links to the actual info when I say something is false.

Message edited by author 2012-08-30 22:47:52.

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08/30/2012 10:58:33 PM · #131

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by JamesDowning:

[quote=JamesDowning]Probably because a vast amount of America (and probably the world) are idiots.

I totally agree.

Don't you think thats how Obama was elected and likely will be again? Say goodbye to freedom.

08/30/2012 10:58:33 PM · #132

Originally posted by Flash:

And showing that you are who you say you are is a problem why? The young don't have identification? Minorities don't have identification? The old don't have identification? Who are these people who don't have identification? No social security card? No drivers license? No credit/debit card? No passport? Maybe one of two of these but NONE? Absolutely no identification to show you are who you say your are? No bank book? How do you cash a check? How do you bank? How do you buy something? How do you get something notorized like retirement papers.

Identification is already a voting requirement. The new twist is PHOTO identification, and if anyone doesn't have a driver's license or passport, it's usually going to be the poor, inner city minorities and the elderly. So a 90 year old WWII vet who no longer owns a car and had previously used his Social Security card to vote has just had his voting rights revoked unless he makes the extra effort to get a photo ID.

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08/30/2012 11:10:09 PM · #133

Yer too tricky for me Robert!

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08/30/2012 11:13:49 PM · #134

I agree with flash... You should have to show a photo ID to vote....I have had to do it for years in Louisiana....If anyone can walk up and say "I wanna vote" then people could vote multiple time...illegal immigrants could vote. Photo ID is a req where I am from and I think it needs to be a national law

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08/30/2012 11:17:37 PM · #135

I see an opportunity emerging here for a successful small business.... wonder if I can get a Government loan to set up Deb's IDs...

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08/30/2012 11:18:36 PM · #136

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by Flash:
And showing that you are who you say you are is a problem why? The young don't have identification? Minorities don't have identification? The old don't have identification? Who are these people who don't have identification? No social security card? No drivers license? No credit/debit card? No passport? Maybe one of two of these but NONE? Absolutely no identification to show you are who you say your are? No bank book? How do you cash a check? How do you bank? How do you buy something? How do you get something notorized like retirement papers.

Identification is already a voting requirement. The new twist is PHOTO identification, and if anyone doesn't have a driver's license or passport, it's usually going to be the poor, inner city minorities and the elderly. So a 90 year old WWII vet who no longer owns a car and had previously used his Social Security card to vote has just had his voting rights revoked unless he makes the extra effort to get a photo ID.

I'll give him a ride, what's his address?

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08/30/2012 11:28:37 PM · #137

Originally posted by cowboy221977:

If anyone can walk up and say "I wanna vote" then people could vote multiple time...illegal immigrants could vote.

HOW! Come ON! You have to REGISTER to vote. Then you vote in your PRECINCT polling place. Where they cross you OFF a list when you vote. So HOW can you do it multiple times? Multiple IDs? How much of a problem has this been? Where are the instances of massive voter fraud that justify this?

R.

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08/30/2012 11:45:48 PM · #138

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by cowboy221977:
If anyone can walk up and say "I wanna vote" then people could vote multiple time...illegal immigrants could vote.

HOW! Come ON! You have to REGISTER to vote. Then you vote in your PRECINCT polling place. Where they cross you OFF a list when you vote. So HOW can you do it multiple times? Multiple IDs? How much of a problem has this been? Where are the instances of massive voter fraud that justify this?

R.

Apparently, voter fraud isn't widespread outside of certain parishes in Louisiana (where it is expected, mind you) and probably Chicago. But sadly, a rather significant number of absentee military ballots never get counted. But then they're such a small number overall....

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08/30/2012 11:52:57 PM · #139

Zombies: //ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Dead_people_voting

scalvert, I'll get back to you tomorrow.

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08/30/2012 11:57:52 PM · #140

Originally posted by cowboy221977:

Who cares if it almost never happens, lets spend money to pass new laws that will disenfranchise legitimate voters. I like John Steward's comment "next we have to work on leash laws for unicorns"

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08/31/2012 12:23:56 AM · #141

Originally posted by JamesDowning:

Zombies: //ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Dead_people_voting

Yes, the dead vote. Sometimes. By absentee ballot. They don't need to show ID. They usually vote towards the Republican side. There is no attempt to tighten up absentee ballots to the recently passed although there are exponentially more cases of absentee ballot abuse than live voter fraud,

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08/31/2012 12:49:37 AM · #142

Originally posted by JamesDowning:

Zombies: //ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Dead_people_voting

Dead people being on the voter registration rolls is not the same as dead people voting. Dead people are also on driver's license and property tax lists, too. It just takes a while to remove them. Sure, I've heard reports of zombie voters, too. Problem is, it's a myth. South Carolina pushed for voter ID by claiming 950 dead people voted. When the judge asked for proof, state officials came up with 6... all of which were clerical errors and/or legitimate votes. Similar claims in Georgia, California, Maryland and New Hampshire also proved false. Officials pushing for photo ID laws in Pennsylvania and Indiana couldn't find a single case of in-person voter fraud. Not one. "But just look at all those examples on Ballotpedia," you say. Yeah, about that... Ballotpedia is sponsored by the Citizens in Charge Foundation, Sam Adams Alliance, and Lucy Burns Institute, each of which are either direct front organizations for, or heavily funded by, drumroll... Charles and David Koch.

kawesttex

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08/31/2012 12:56:41 AM · #143

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by JamesDowning:
Zombies: //ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Dead_people_voting

Dead people being on the voter registration rolls is not the same as dead people voting. Dead people are also on driver's license and property tax lists, too. It just takes a while to remove them. Sure, I've heard reports of zombie voters, too. Problem is, it's a myth. South Carolina pushed for voter ID by claiming 950 dead people voted. When the judge asked for proof, state officials came up with 6... all of which were clerical errors and/or legitimate votes. Similar claims in Georgia, California, Maryland and New Hampshire also proved false. Officials pushing for photo ID laws in Pennsylvania and Indiana couldn't find a single case of in-person voter fraud. Not one. "But just look at all those examples on Ballotpedia," you say. Yeah, about that... Ballotpedia is sponsored by the Citizens in Charge Foundation, Sam Adams Alliance, and Lucy Burns Institute, each of which are either direct front organizations for, or heavily funded by, drumroll... Charles and David Koch.

Your links of proof are?

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08/31/2012 03:38:42 AM · #144

And the new meme of the week is.......... Eastwooding

Message edited by author 2012-08-31 03:40:23.

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08/31/2012 04:27:47 AM · #145

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

And the new meme of the week is.......... Eastwooding

Talk about backfiring.

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08/31/2012 04:44:40 AM · #146

Originally posted by jagar:

Talk about backfiring.

Please. Who really takes anything celebrities say seriously anyway?

jagar

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08/31/2012 04:47:23 AM · #147

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Originally posted by jagar:
Talk about backfiring.

Please. Who really takes anything celebrities say seriously anyway?

True.

08/31/2012 05:05:14 AM · #148

The DNC will have Eva Longoria whose speech will be interspersed with "Hey! My eyes are up here!" ;-)