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08/24/2012 02:24:14 AM · #101 |
Originally posted by glockguy:
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by glockguy:
Rarely so close to a deadline. that's the thing that stirs me....... |
Elaborate. |
It seems suspect that the reason this is even a concern is because she had the picture taken so close that the time zone was an issue.
The photo in question was most certainly planned as it appears that she had a model or at least an idea for the shoot in advance......
just saying |
It's a self portrait. |
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08/24/2012 02:25:35 AM · #102 |
Originally posted by Neat:
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by Neat:
Hey speaking of time zones shouldn't you all be doing this  |
Meh. Sleep comes when it comes. Things happen when they happen. |
Isn't it 2am in the morning over there? |
Yes. |
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08/24/2012 02:25:53 AM · #103 |
Originally posted by tanguera:
I do a fair bit of traveling, as well as local photo shoots requiring different settings depending on the client's needs. So I have a checklist I do before/after every shoot, which saves me a whole lotta headache down the road. I make sure my settings are all back to what I want, check the CF card, check the battery level, clean the lens, etc. The whole thing takes about a minute. |
Seems like a good idea to me, got to admit I do the same as well! |
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08/24/2012 02:27:17 AM · #104 |
Originally posted by UrfaTheGreat:
Originally posted by glockguy:
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by glockguy:
Rarely so close to a deadline. that's the thing that stirs me....... |
Elaborate. |
It seems suspect that the reason this is even a concern is because she had the picture taken so close that the time zone was an issue.
The photo in question was most certainly planned as it appears that she had a model or at least an idea for the shoot in advance......
just saying |
It's a self portrait. |
oops... lmao...
well that's a compliment at least as i have been diggin on her... she can also be a model....which is saying a lot, for being a photographer.... ;)
ETA
That kinda actually proves my point....she had all the time in the world to take a picture of herself. And, for what it's worth, could have done it at any time. So, does that not make the timestamp on her photo even MORE relevant?
Message edited by author 2012-08-24 02:32:19. |
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08/24/2012 02:34:52 AM · #105 |
Originally posted by glockguy:
Originally posted by UrfaTheGreat:
Originally posted by glockguy:
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by glockguy:
Rarely so close to a deadline. that's the thing that stirs me....... |
Elaborate. |
It seems suspect that the reason this is even a concern is because she had the picture taken so close that the time zone was an issue.
The photo in question was most certainly planned as it appears that she had a model or at least an idea for the shoot in advance......
just saying |
It's a self portrait. |
oops... lmao...
well that's a compliment at least as i have been diggin on her... she can also be a model....which is saying a lot, for being a photographer.... ;)
ETA
That kinda actually proves my point....she had all the time in the world to take a picture of herself. And, for what it's worth, could have done it at any time. So, does that not make the timestamp on her photo even MORE relevant? |
Ooops #2 ehh? She didn't have all the time in the world, as they were lights borrowed while visiting a friend. ;) |
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08/24/2012 02:37:38 AM · #106 |
| yah...i forgot that my brother in law was going to loan me his f2.8 next week, but all good....i am sure that i can fudge a timestamp in time for one of the current challenges.... |
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08/24/2012 02:41:18 AM · #107 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Ooops #2 ehh? She didn't have all the time in the world, as they were lights borrowed while visiting a friend. ;) |
its EH
not ehh |
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08/24/2012 02:49:26 AM · #108 |
You should send an email to the SC explaining all of this.
My time zone is wayyyy to late right now!! Zzzzzzzzzzzz |
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08/24/2012 02:54:54 AM · #109 |
Originally posted by littlemav:
You should send an email to the SC explaining all of this.
My time zone is wayyyy to late right now!! Zzzzzzzzzzzz |
Yeah Katie, you need to get some beauty sleep girl, so you can look terrific in ze mornin!! |
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08/24/2012 02:55:19 AM · #110 |
Originally posted by littlemav:
You should send an email to the SC explaining all of this.
My time zone is wayyyy to late right now!! Zzzzzzzzzzzz |
They won't get it in time, and therefore, it will probably be not looked at...
I am going to send a sternly worded email to the Time Zone Commission about how these Time Zones are really screwing up our photography website. I fully intend for them to ban all Time Zones and make Korea the Base Time Zone.
From here forward KBTZ (Korea Base Time Zone) will be the only Time Zone recognized by DPC (and Kim Jong Un)....as soon as SC says so of course |
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08/24/2012 02:58:38 AM · #111 |
Originally posted by glockguy:
Originally posted by littlemav:
You should send an email to the SC explaining all of this.
My time zone is wayyyy to late right now!! Zzzzzzzzzzzz |
They won't get it in time, and therefore, it will probably be not looked at...
I am going to send a sternly worded email to the Time Zone Commission about how these Time Zones are really screwing up our photography website. I fully intend for them to ban all Time Zones and make Korea the Base Time Zone.
From here forward KBTZ (Korea Base Time Zone) will be the only Time Zone recognized by DPC (and Kim Jong Un)....as soon as SC says so of course |
I'm thinking this might gain some traction... Given that both kingdoms are run by eclectic reclusive dictators that retain an iron-fist of power over their subjects. ;) |
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08/24/2012 03:02:14 AM · #112 |
It is not a kingdom by any stretch...
We are talking pure dictatorship
but really, the punishment in the Republic of KBTZ for not setting your clock to the proper time could be dealth with expeditiously and without forum.
Message edited by author 2012-08-24 03:04:55. |
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08/24/2012 04:52:45 AM · #113 |
Originally posted by glockguy:
Originally posted by escapetooz:
Originally posted by glockguy:
The point is, just change your clock and stop your bitching........
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That is uncalled for. |
not really....starting a whole thread because you can't be bothered to set your clock is "uncalled for". Do you complain at your hotel when they don't set your room clock to whatever Time Zone you just flew in from? After all, that is the "time" you are used to. Do the numerous hotels you visit adjust their Checkout time based on where you just came from?
Come on, lets be realistic here
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I live in MST. I shoot all over North America. I take that into account when I submit my photos... I can do it, why can't you? Sorry that there is a little loophole that burned you, but really, its a rule. Just play by it.
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SC, I just took some awesome river shots. I accidently set my time to 2 years from now. So, if possible, around August 2014, it'd be great if you had a River Scene Challenge. KTHXBYE |
Starting a thread is uncalled for but using condescending curse words towards me is totally fine? I don't see why you are making this a personal attack. I think I have fair grounds for an assessment of my DQ. You don't like it, don't read the discussion. We don't need any more trolls around here.
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08/24/2012 04:55:05 AM · #114 |
Originally posted by glockguy:
Originally posted by littlemav:
You should send an email to the SC explaining all of this.
My time zone is wayyyy to late right now!! Zzzzzzzzzzzz |
They won't get it in time, and therefore, it will probably be not looked at...
I am going to send a sternly worded email to the Time Zone Commission about how these Time Zones are really screwing up our photography website. I fully intend for them to ban all Time Zones and make Korea the Base Time Zone.
From here forward KBTZ (Korea Base Time Zone) will be the only Time Zone recognized by DPC (and Kim Jong Un)....as soon as SC says so of course |
Kim Jong Un doesn't rule South Korea.
Message edited by author 2012-08-24 04:55:30.
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08/24/2012 05:00:54 AM · #115 |
Originally posted by glockguy:
oops... lmao...
well that's a compliment at least as i have been diggin on her... she can also be a model....which is saying a lot, for being a photographer.... ;)
ETA
That kinda actually proves my point....she had all the time in the world to take a picture of herself. And, for what it's worth, could have done it at any time. So, does that not make the timestamp on her photo even MORE relevant? |
First off, are you always so rude to women you "dig on"? And second, no it doesn't make it MORE relevant that it was a self portrait. How can a time zone issue be MORE important because of the content? That's not even remotely grounded in fair judgement.
So far you've told me to stop bitching, told me I had "first world problems", acted like my claims were unwarranted because I wasn't being "professional" and then claimed to "dig on me".
Personal attacks are the argument of those that have no argument. Asses the rule, not the person fighting it. So far you've said nothing to support your claim of any value, nor have you even really made any claims.
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08/24/2012 05:52:08 AM · #116 |
Originally posted by escapetooz:
The issue is not some mistake on my part or the camera's part. It's in defining "home". |
Originally posted by Skip:
you can go round and round and round over the semantics and wording and whether or not it is unjust, but in reality it comes down to one simple thing: checking the date of your image before you submit it. it's your responsibility and if you don't take that responsibility, you get dq'd. |
Originally posted by escapetooz:
This is not semantics. It's a judgement call. Is Korea my home or is Florida my home? If I get DQed because the image was taken in Florida and now Florida is ruled by the powers that be my "home" then do I KEEP it there even though I'm hardly ever in Florida and will soon be in Europe? Or do I change it for every time zone jump I make?
If I have to change it for every jump, than the rules should state LOCAL time where the photo is taken, not "home time zone". |
Originally posted by Skip:
it is semantics; it's pushing the words around because of an exceptional situation. it's just a matter of checking your camera before you shoot and checking your image before you submit. it's really not that difficult. |
Originally posted by escapetooz:
Not that difficult for whom? Since leaving Korea in March I have taken at least 8 flights and an international cruise, next week I drive out of time zone on a trip, the following week I head to France, then I will be hopping all around Europe.
EVEN IF I changed my settings every single spot I went, I could still run into problems.
And again, that's not what the rules say. The rules say home time zone. |
Originally posted by Skip:
is it really that hard for you? and that you'd use "the rules" as a justification for not dealing with it? if it's that much of an issue, then don't worry about it and just enter free studies... |
Originally posted by escapetooz:
I don't understand why you are sending such condescension my way. I really don't. |
Why is it that when someone disagrees with you, and tells you something you don't want to hear, you cry "Bully"?
The bottom line is that YOU are responsible for your entry.......the equipment you use, the processing you do, and to adhere to the rules......and that means making sure your camera is set properly. That's not SC's job to try to figure out where you live.
Honestly? With "The Earth" listed as your home, why would they even bother?
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08/24/2012 05:55:04 AM · #117 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
Now, she does not list a home location in her profile... fair, she doesn't have to... but it made it impossible for the SC to know that her home was somewhere else. |
Exactly!
And who's responsible for that?
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08/24/2012 06:11:03 AM · #118 |
the idea that's lost in this thread is that time travel appears to be possible. ;)
Monica, just set your camera to a certain time zone and when you submit just make sure you submit by midnight in that timezone.
for the record, you made your point and the more you keep at it, the higher the chance people will pile on and start making personal attacks, that coming from experience. Many people have left or have been run off this site for not knowing when to call it off, almost happened to me, dont let it happen to you.
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08/24/2012 08:49:56 AM · #119 |
Originally posted by escapetooz:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by escapetooz:
But General, if that's the case then the rule should say "local" time not "home" time. Local time I'm screwed. Home time I still have a chance to fight this. I can easily prove that I was living in Korea and that it was my last home. That's where I bought the darn camera in the first place. So no my date was not set incorrectly. It was kept at my home time. |
The rules state, "If your entry was taken in a different location than indicated in your profile, please note the location in the submission form so that we can adjust accordingly," so despite getting cute with your profile location, it doesn't matter. Even if Korea was indeed your home we would be going by the Florida date for validation. |
Adjust what accordingly though? Adjust for the difference from your home time to the shot time or adjust for the difference between your home time and the DPC time, or adjust for the difference between your travel time and your DPC time? |
Maybe we should start using hard facts instead of alluding to everything.
Submission deadline was midnight Aug 12 EST.
Your EXIF data presumably states your photo was taken Aug 13 somewhere between midnight and 1PM.
Your photo says it was taken in Orlando, FL, which is on EST.
SC sees this and says, hmm, this looks like grounds for a DQ. Lets check her 'home' location on her profile. It says 'the earth'... so there is no evidence there that can lead to overturning the EXIF evidence.
Now if your stated location on your profile was actually "Korea", then the SC would have known to subtract 11 hours from your EXIF data.
I believe that is the way the rules are set up, and I feel like the SC did attempt to explain that, but in less clear terms.
So the argument hinges upon you stating your home is Korea, but you do not officially have that recorded on your profile, so I'm not sure that your argument has grounds for that reason alone. |
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08/24/2012 09:55:45 AM · #120 |
Summarizing:
Somebody feels they were wronged
Because the words in the rules weren't clear;
And that means the ruling body needs to change the words
So that this won't happen to anyone else.
It doesn't matter if anything could have been done
By anyone, let alone the victim,
To have prevented this injustice.
The fact remains that it happened
And it needs to be addressed.
And if someone disagrees,
Then they are part of the problem
Because they are preventing the institutional change
Necessary to prevent this injustice from happening.
And with this change, the victim will be able to proceed along,
Without fear of falling victim to this injustice,
And without having to do anything different.
So, we change the system to accommodate an individual
Without expecting anything in return.
Rather than accepting that life isn't fair,
That no matter how hard you try to legislate fairness,
That you will never run out of exceptions or injustice,
There must be accommodation after accommodation
For every possible exception.
It is easier to blame the system and call for change,
Rather than accept any personal responsibility.
So, the framework and rules that work for 99.9% of the players should be changed
to accommodate an extreme minority of players who want to play differently?
You might find this offensive and even condescending, but I find this whole woe-is-me to be completely self-centered and selfish. I feel bad this happened to you, Monica, but given all the other things needing attention around here, I'd appreciate your learning to work within the system as it is, rather than clamoring for scarce resources to fix a problem that you have the ability to handle on your own.
Message edited by author 2012-08-24 11:11:54. |
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08/24/2012 10:03:02 AM · #121 |
Oh, well. Lesson learned I guess.
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08/24/2012 10:12:55 AM · #122 |
so to clarify: i live in italy so the deadline for me is 6AM the day after (EST +6 hours)
if i travel to the states with the camera still on italy time and submit a photo taken at 11PM the night of the deadline with the camera set in italy time (5AM in this case) I get automatically DQ'd without any sort of intervention? a clarification of the facts?
I realize that the gif ribbons are truly just little gif ribbons but as has been stated numerous times they're important to some people! |
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08/24/2012 10:32:13 AM · #123 |
Originally posted by mrchhas:
so to clarify: i live in italy so the deadline for me is 6AM the day after (EST +6 hours)
if i travel to the states with the camera still on italy time and submit a photo taken at 11PM the night of the deadline with the camera set in italy time (5AM in this case) I get automatically DQ'd without any sort of intervention? a clarification of the facts? |
No, your profile states your home to be Italy. |
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08/24/2012 11:14:29 AM · #124 |
Is it really the rule that you can normally submit out of the challenge time/date if you live in a different conflicting time zone?
or is the exif data always required to be within the challenge times or there is a DQ?
Are you asking for a rule change, or that the rules be applied to you to allow rather than DQ? (If it is always allowed, the time difference submission, my opinion would be that despite goofing around and claiming "earth" as your location, it would be a plausible appeal.)
I'm sorry to be slow but I can't figure it out.
-----also, a few months back I shot some shots with everything but the Year wrong on my camera, I sent a ticket to site council saying- I just took this, want to submit, I didn't take it next year, I was told no exceptions, set your camera correctly next time. |
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08/24/2012 11:57:40 AM · #125 |
| Monica, I do feel bad for you. It so sounds like something I would have done accidently. I'd post that shot on my font page with a comment like Was 3rd for a while. Guess regardless of weird circumstances the posting time rules are going to hold. Next time if your camera is set to your Native time, can you look up the time diff on google and submitt it within the time restrictions of home? I don't know how that works in the DPC time zone world, but just a thought. |
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