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07/27/2012 11:03:50 AM · #1 |
Yet, strangely, the current challenge was never changed from the original, despite clear notice that the description was contradictory.
Frankly, whether it should or not, this really annoys the kittens outta me. Why? Because it show that  Langdon either doesn't care, or knows so little about photography that he didn't understand why there is now a contradiction.
I won't be entering, and I would like to officially suggest that Langdon shows the wisdom to hand the reigns to someone else, at least for posting challenges, as he clearly has very little inclination to do more than cut and paste.
Do I sound annoyed? That's probably because I am. This sort of crap really hurts those who are learning, as since this site is kind of an authority and seeks to teach, errors like this are truly damaging in an education sense. And for those who already know? It just makes the entire site look amateurish...
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07/27/2012 11:08:04 AM · #2 |
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07/27/2012 11:32:36 AM · #3 |
| So which do we do... soft focus, or blur? |
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07/27/2012 11:37:34 AM · #4 |
Fine. Cory you swayed me to self appoint my self challenge 'czar'.
here let me fix the current challenge.
Challenge Details - High-Key Blur
Challenge Details: Use blur & high key to create an interesting photograph. Title with the first line of your favorite poem or song. Voters guess the song or poem.
Challenge Type: Member Challenge Member Challenge
Challenge Rules: Advanced Editing
Submission Deadline: Thursday, August 2nd, 2012 (began Jul. 27th 2012)
Voting Dates: Aug. 3rd 2012 - Aug. 9th 2012
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07/27/2012 11:38:02 AM · #5 |
| Cory, setting aside the shot at Langdon, you are right. It would be best to be accurate with regards to define a technique or principle if possible. Soft focus is blurry, but high key blur implies more than just soft focus. A pinhole image is softly tack sharp in my eyes, but my wife describes it as blurry, and wonders why I don't use a L badged pinhole. ;) The op said soft focus, so I presume that the intention is high key soft focus, not blur blur. |
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07/27/2012 11:38:28 AM · #6 |
| Mike, when did you step down? |
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07/27/2012 11:39:33 AM · #7 |
Mostly high key blur. |
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07/27/2012 11:42:16 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by bspurgeon:
The op said soft focus, so I presume that the intention is high key soft focus, not blur blur. |
Jeez can you guys please stop arguing over this. Entrants will get confused.
Challenge Details - High-Key Soft Focus
Challenge Details: Use soft focus & high key to create an interesting photograph. Title with the first line of your favorite poem or song. Voters guess the song or poem.
Challenge Type: Member Challenge Member Challenge
Challenge Rules: Expert Editing
Submission Deadline: Thursday, August 2nd, 2012 (began Jul. 27th 2012)
Voting Dates: Aug. 3rd 2012 - Aug. 9th 2012
Message edited by author 2012-07-27 11:45:03. |
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07/27/2012 11:49:51 AM · #9 |
Or he doesn't agree with your interpretation of soft focus not being blur.
Or maybe he's doing it intentionally just to piss YOU off.
Don't be Rose.
Message edited by author 2012-07-27 11:50:07. |
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07/27/2012 11:51:40 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by bspurgeon:
The op said soft focus, so I presume that the intention is high key soft focus, not blur blur. |
Jeez can you guys please stop arguing over this. Entrants will get confused.
Challenge Details - High-Key Soft Focus
Challenge Details: Use soft focus & high key to create an interesting photograph. Title with the first line of your favorite poem or song. Voters guess the song or poem.
Challenge Type: Member Challenge Member Challenge
Challenge Rules: Expert Editing
Submission Deadline: Thursday, August 2nd, 2012 (began Jul. 27th 2012)
Voting Dates: Aug. 3rd 2012 - Aug. 9th 2012 |
I'm getting confused. And voters are going to DNMC stuff for not being "blurry" if it's just soft focus.
And where did this poem/song thing come from. Why do we need a bunch of short comments guessing songs or poems. It's not like those comments are actually useful. I guess it's 'the feel good' effect. "Look, I got 20 comments!" But in sum, only about 20 words...
Message edited by author 2012-07-27 11:52:36. |
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07/27/2012 11:55:08 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by JamesDowning:
And where did this poem/song thing come from. Why do we need a bunch of short comments guessing songs or poems. It's not like those comments are actually useful. I guess it's 'the feel good' effect. "Look, I got 20 comments!" But in sum, only about 20 words... |
I'm confused also. From the description it doesn't say use a poem or song for inspiration, but merely after the fact throw it in for no apparent reason. Maybe I'm missing something obvious. |
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07/27/2012 11:55:16 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by Cory:
This sort of crap really hurts those who are learning, as since this site is kind of an authority and seeks to teach, errors like this are truly damaging in an education sense. And for those who already know? |
I found the challenge description rather intriguing actually.
Since I appear to be unteachable, my education remains undamaged by this challenge description.
But, thank you for protecting my learning fragility nonetheless.
For the record, I'm in agreement with Kim. ;-P |
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07/27/2012 11:57:50 AM · #13 |
shouldn't the word 'guess' be 'google' instead? who are we kidding.
Message edited by author 2012-07-27 11:58:13. |
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07/27/2012 12:01:47 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
Or he doesn't agree with your interpretation of soft focus not being blur.
Or maybe he's doing it intentionally just to piss YOU off.
Don't be Rose. |
WTF is that last line for, Spork? That was a thinly veiled insult, seemingly innocent but it really wasn't. Implying that Cory is acting like Rose is an exaggeration and an insult.
What does that do for the thread? What does it do for DPChallenge? It's stupid crap like that which reinforces some people's decision not to participate here. Remarks like that contribute to the decline of this website.
I don't post here much anymore because of this decline. I do check in once in awhile to read through the forums and check out some images. When I see remarks like that it makes me sick to my stomach.
Back to the topic: I totally agree with the points raised by Cory. I believe that they are valid and worthy of discussion. |
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07/27/2012 12:02:27 PM · #15 |
The art of being gracious is sure lost in this community. Feel free to build your own challenge web site where you can get things right 100% of the time.
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07/27/2012 12:13:11 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by skewsme:
shouldn't the word 'guess' be 'google' instead? who are we kidding. |
Ha! My thought exactly.
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07/27/2012 12:19:36 PM · #17 |
| What I object to is all this guessing game stuff. What is the point ? |
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07/27/2012 12:59:59 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by EL-ROI:
The art of being gracious is sure lost in this community. Feel free to build your own challenge web site where you can get things right 100% of the time. |
I'm sorry that you found my approach less than gracious, but frankly, I stand by all that I said.
And to Spork, I am not "interpreting" the terms soft focus and blur... They are terms that have a definite meaning, and I would request that you take the time to look them up. |
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07/27/2012 01:02:46 PM · #19 |
| why is the challenge description just a bunch of sentence fragments? |
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07/27/2012 01:05:45 PM · #20 |
| Usually, if I remember correctly, in the Challenge Suggestions, the description is usually just copied and pasted from the OP. |
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07/27/2012 01:08:26 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by JulietNN:
Usually, if I remember correctly, in the Challenge Suggestions, the description is usually just copied and pasted from the OP. |
got it |
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07/27/2012 01:25:48 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by LanndonKane:
Originally posted by JulietNN:
Usually, if I remember correctly, in the Challenge Suggestions, the description is usually just copied and pasted from the OP. |
got it |
My point is that there should be at least some intelligence in the transfer. |
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07/27/2012 01:30:14 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by JulietNN:
Usually, if I remember correctly, in the Challenge Suggestions, the description is usually just copied and pasted from the OP. |
well why cant thy take the whole thread into account? I see Cory's point. I suggested a while back the UWA challenge with advanced editing and it got changed to minimal editing.
So someone isn't just cutting and pasting. There is some thought going into it. |
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07/27/2012 01:32:57 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by Cory:
And to Spork, I am not "interpreting" the terms soft focus and blur... They are terms that have a definite meaning, and I would request that you take the time to look them up. |
I did. And since you decided to be that way:
Originally posted by Wikipedia:
In photography, soft focus is a lens flaw, in which the lens forms images that are blurred due to spherical aberration. A soft focus lens deliberately introduces spherical aberration in order to give the appearance of blurring the image while retaining sharp edges; it is not the same as an out-of-focus image, and the effect cannot be achieved simply by defocusing a sharp lens. Soft focus is also the name of the style of photograph produced by such a lens.
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Since everyone likes to say Wikipedia is not a good source when it doesn't agree with them, let's look at a few more definitions of "Soft Focus" as it relates to photography.
Originally posted by dictionary.com:
soft focus
noun Photography .
an image, often created by a special lens, that is recognizable but somewhat blurred or diffused.
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Originally posted by dictionary.com:
soft fo·cus
soft fo·cuses Plural
NOUN
1. blurring of image: a deliberate slight blurring of a photograph or a filmed image, giving it a hazy appearance, in order to achieve a special effect such as romance or nostalgia ( hyphenated before a noun )
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Note the usage of the word "blur" or some form of it. Despite wikipedia's perceived shortcomings, its definition is most technically correct. |
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07/27/2012 01:40:04 PM · #25 |
So basically Cory is still correct, it requires a special piece of hardware in order to achieve, so people intentionally blurring their images misses the point as it isn't true soft focus.
and inst that his argument?
Message edited by author 2012-07-27 13:41:27. |
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