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06/13/2012 12:12:21 AM · #1 |
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06/13/2012 10:10:08 AM · #2 |
So, obvious by the prior challenge, the 'bokuh' doesn't have to be ONLY in the foreground... as the challenge would seem to suggest:
Create a photo in which bokeh is effectively used, but the bokeh effect should be in the foreground of the image.
Message edited by author 2012-06-13 10:10:48. |
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06/13/2012 10:30:01 AM · #3 |
Originally posted by JamesDowning:
So, obvious by the prior challenge, the 'bokuh' doesn't have to be ONLY in the foreground... as the challenge would seem to suggest:
Create a photo in which bokeh is effectively used, but the bokeh effect should be in the foreground of the image. |
no, but there better at least be some in the foreground. |
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06/13/2012 12:39:10 PM · #4 |
hmmm... i always thought that bokeh had to have a "bunch of out of focus circles/hexagons/stars" look. the entries in the first challenge really look to me like selective focus with a blurry foreground (and some with blurry background, too).
or am i missing something??
so it may all come down to a low f-stop challenge...
-mefnj |
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06/13/2012 12:42:05 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by mefnj:
hmmm... i always thought that bokeh had to have a "bunch of out of focus circles/hexagons/stars" look. the entries in the first challenge really look to me like selective focus with a blurry foreground (and some with blurry background, too).
or am i missing something??
so it may all come down to a low f-stop challenge...
-mefnj |
In photography, bokeh (Originally /ˈboʊkɛ/,[1] /ˈboʊkeɪ/ boh-kay — also sometimes heard as /ˈboʊkə/ boh-kə,[2] Japanese: [boke]) is the blur,[3][4] or the aesthetic quality of the blur,[5][6][7] in out-of-focus areas of an image. Bokeh has been defined as "the way the lens renders out-of-focus points of light".[8] However, differences in lens aberrations and aperture shape cause some lens designs to blur the image in a way that is pleasing to the eye, while others produce blurring that is unpleasant or distracting—"good" and "bad" bokeh, respectively.[3] Bokeh occurs for parts of the scene that lie outside the depth of field. Photographers sometimes deliberately use a shallow focus technique to create images with prominent out-of-focus regions. //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bokeh |
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06/13/2012 12:45:35 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by mefnj:
hmmm... i always thought that bokeh had to have a "bunch of out of focus circles/hexagons/stars" look. the entries in the first challenge really look to me like selective focus with a blurry foreground (and some with blurry background, too).
or am i missing something??
so it may all come down to a low f-stop challenge...
-mefnj |
In photography, bokeh (Originally /ˈboʊkɛ/,[1] /ˈboʊkeɪ/ boh-kay — also sometimes heard as /ˈboʊkə/ boh-kə,[2] Japanese: [boke]) is the blur,[3][4] or the aesthetic quality of the blur,[5][6][7] in out-of-focus areas of an image. Bokeh has been defined as "the way the lens renders out-of-focus points of light".[8] However, differences in lens aberrations and aperture shape cause some lens designs to blur the image in a way that is pleasing to the eye, while others produce blurring that is unpleasant or distracting—"good" and "bad" bokeh, respectively.[3] Bokeh occurs for parts of the scene that lie outside the depth of field. Photographers sometimes deliberately use a shallow focus technique to create images with prominent out-of-focus regions. //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bokeh |
yeah, i was getting at the "out-of-focus points of light" part, at at least out of focus "points", as opposed to the entire foreground being one big blurred region. |
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06/13/2012 12:57:55 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by mefnj:
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by mefnj:
hmmm... i always thought that bokeh had to have a "bunch of out of focus circles/hexagons/stars" look. the entries in the first challenge really look to me like selective focus with a blurry foreground (and some with blurry background, too).
or am i missing something??
so it may all come down to a low f-stop challenge...
-mefnj |
In photography, bokeh (Originally /ˈboʊkɛ/,[1] /ˈboʊkeɪ/ boh-kay — also sometimes heard as /ˈboʊkə/ boh-kə,[2] Japanese: [boke]) is the blur,[3][4] or the aesthetic quality of the blur,[5][6][7] in out-of-focus areas of an image. Bokeh has been defined as "the way the lens renders out-of-focus points of light".[8] However, differences in lens aberrations and aperture shape cause some lens designs to blur the image in a way that is pleasing to the eye, while others produce blurring that is unpleasant or distracting—"good" and "bad" bokeh, respectively.[3] Bokeh occurs for parts of the scene that lie outside the depth of field. Photographers sometimes deliberately use a shallow focus technique to create images with prominent out-of-focus regions. //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bokeh |
yeah, i was getting at the "out-of-focus points of light" part, at at least out of focus "points", as opposed to the entire foreground being one big blurred region. |
I'm sure someone will come along who can explain it better than I could. ;D |
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06/13/2012 01:35:09 PM · #8 |
It's a typical only-in-DPC kerfuffle of a contentious issue. To old-school shooters like me, "bokeh" is a descriptive term for the characteristic OOF circles and other shapes you get when point-sources of light are way outside the DOF at the selected aperture. Studying these shapes is a good way to analyze the construction of a lens, and some lenses are MUCH "nicer" at producing bokeh than others.
On the other hand, it's a Japanese term and it literally refers to the quality of the out-of-focus areas in the image, as far as I can see, though there's debate on that as well.
In DPC terms, if you get totally OOF foreground leading to an interesting subject (with or without OOF background) you will be meeting the challenge. OOF foregrounds with interesting shapes/gradations will probably score better than uniformly featureless OOF foregrounds. Actual specular bokeh from OOF point sources of light may score best of all, but that's hard to do in the foreground, real hard :-)
R.
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06/13/2012 01:36:57 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Actual specular bokeh from OOF point sources of light may score best of all, but that's hard to do in the foreground, real hard :-) |
Challenge accepted.
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06/13/2012 01:51:33 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
It's a typical only-in-DPC kerfuffle of a contentious issue. |
+100.000 :)
Come on, foreground bokeh seems a very easily thing to understand. This talking about such stuff brings only kerfuffle :D
PS. I had never heard the term kerfuffle... lovely ;) |
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06/13/2012 01:59:18 PM · #11 |
| Kerfuffle: (n) a nordic term for the quality of the discussion concerning pictoral challenges. |
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06/13/2012 01:59:55 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by JamesDowning:
Kerfuffle: (n) a nordic term for the quality of the discussion concerning pictoral challenges. |
LOL :) |
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06/13/2012 02:01:36 PM · #13 |
| Kerfuffle in modern use dates back to the 2003 CIA leak scandal featuring Valerie Plame. Use of the word Kerfuffle for this event was coined by National Review Magazine, if I am not mistaken. |
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06/13/2012 06:01:41 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by JamesDowning:
Kerfuffle: (n) a nordic term for the quality of the discussion concerning pictoral challenges. |
But is it the quality of photographic discussion in the foreground of the challenge, or whispered in the background?
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06/13/2012 06:03:05 PM · #15 |
and kerfuffle has 19th century origins according to the net. All I know is that I heard it long before 2003. :)
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06/13/2012 07:07:53 PM · #16 |
| I think an upcoming feature of DPC should be to hide all previous iterations of a challenge while a challenge is running. |
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06/13/2012 07:18:52 PM · #17 |
Foreground bokeh! Here it is!
And nobody can prove when I took it!!! Mwwhahahahahaha!!!
Oh wait, it only happens twice every every 121 years?
Drat. :P
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06/13/2012 07:54:41 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
Foreground bokeh! Here it is!
And nobody can prove when I took it!!! Mwwhahahahahaha!!!
Oh wait, it only happens twice every every 121 years?
Drat. :P |
You REALLY Need to clean your sensor, Wendy. There's a bunch of spots on the sun; one, in particular, is very obtrusive.
R.
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06/13/2012 08:40:13 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by vawendy:
Foreground bokeh! Here it is!
And nobody can prove when I took it!!! Mwwhahahahahaha!!!
Oh wait, it only happens twice every every 121 years?
Drat. :P |
You REALLY Need to clean your sensor, Wendy. There's a bunch of spots on the sun; one, in particular, is very obtrusive.
R. |
I know... the weird thing is that the telescope there had the same spots! We need a bottle of windex!
Message edited by author 2012-06-13 20:42:30. |
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06/19/2012 07:53:49 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
and kerfuffle has 19th century origins according to the net. All I know is that I heard it long before 2003. :) |
Me too, I've known the word all my life, only in Afrikaans, my first language, the meaning is slightly different and has to do with kissing and cuddling. Kefoefel in a DPC challenge?
Oh wow. |
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06/19/2012 09:27:08 AM · #21 |
| I ate a kerfuffle once, I didn't really care for it. Oh wait, that was a falafel. Nevermind. |
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06/19/2012 10:18:09 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by Ammie:
Originally posted by vawendy:
and kerfuffle has 19th century origins according to the net. All I know is that I heard it long before 2003. :) |
Me too, I've known the word all my life, only in Afrikaans, my first language, the meaning is slightly different and has to do with kissing and cuddling. Kefoefel in a DPC challenge?
Oh wow. |
Yes, the Afrikaans has the meaning of cuddling in such an enthusiastic manner that the participants end up all fluffed up, and disarrayed. |
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06/19/2012 10:43:37 AM · #23 |
Originally posted by JamesDowning:
Kerfuffle: (n) a nordic term for the quality of the discussion concerning pictoral challenges. |
Not to be confused with Falafel |
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06/19/2012 10:52:36 AM · #24 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I think an upcoming feature of DPC should be to hide all previous iterations of a challenge while a challenge is running. |
so all this discussion would be permissible, but once the challenge starts it is hidden?
or just no discussion whatsoever before a challenge?
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06/19/2012 11:45:43 AM · #25 |
Originally posted by blindjustice:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I think an upcoming feature of DPC should be to hide all previous iterations of a challenge while a challenge is running. |
so all this discussion would be permissible, but once the challenge starts it is hidden?
or just no discussion whatsoever before a challenge? |
No, I don't mind the discussion, it's the actual photos. Too many times the third iteration is a copy of the second iteration because people go to the second challenge for inspiration on the third. What worked last time? It feeds into the "been there, done that" feel we often complain about. Even if you aren't trying to copy the previous one, if you've looked at it it seeps into your subconscious and your ideas tend to be similar.
If Foreground Bokeh I disappeared when Foreground Bokeh II was announced we wouldn't have that influence and we might get fresher results. (but then again maybe we wouldn't.) |
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