Does my Bum look MINIMAL in this WIDE ANGLE?

Leica 18-56mm f/3.5-5.6 Vario Elmar-T ASPH

06/01/2012 07:31:47 AM · #26

Originally posted by cloudsme:

They used HDR

Fascinating thanks for that I will look up how they acheived that immediately...

MAK

Leica M Monochrom

06/01/2012 07:37:22 AM · #27

They used Photoshop Steam ver 1

Nikon NIKKOR Z 28-400mm f/4-8

06/01/2012 07:41:12 AM · #28

Originally posted by MAK:

They used Photoshop Steam ver 1

Was that used to "iron" out any imperfections? ;)

MaryO

Nikon Z8

06/01/2012 07:52:38 AM · #29

Originally posted by rooum:

Originally posted by Mark-A:
... does anyone actually believe that in days gone past the masters didn't edit their images?

Nah, i don't believe that at all. I'm fully behind the idea that processing and manipulation has been present from the very beginnings of photography. I just like the extra restrictions of minimal for some reason. I like not being able to crop in particular. Not entirely sure why. Using the in camera settings we can pretty much get contrast, tones and colour how we want them anyway.

I HATE not being able to crop! But that's what makes Minimal extra challenging for me. I can't resist at least trying to shoot something for a Minimal challenge.

Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II

06/01/2012 07:59:22 AM · #30

Originally posted by cosmicassassin:

Originally posted by mike_311:
i wonder how many other challenges i could recommend that TPTB can ruin with minimal editing.

It's funny, because I think the exact same thing about expert editing.

CS

I too would like to less enhanced editing challenges.

minimal is pointless, i dont understand why we cant use computer software to process but we can use in-camera software to process.

so basically we get to edit on a 3" lcd (or smaller), that's just stupid.

Message edited by author 2012-06-01 08:00:28.

snaffles

Nikon D7100

06/01/2012 08:06:05 AM · #31

Originally posted by MaryO:

Originally posted by rooum:

Originally posted by Mark-A:
... does anyone actually believe that in days gone past the masters didn't edit their images?

Nah, i don't believe that at all. I'm fully behind the idea that processing and manipulation has been present from the very beginnings of photography. I just like the extra restrictions of minimal for some reason. I like not being able to crop in particular. Not entirely sure why. Using the in camera settings we can pretty much get contrast, tones and colour how we want them anyway.

I HATE not being able to crop! But that's what makes Minimal extra challenging for me. I can't resist at least trying to shoot something for a Minimal challenge.

+1 Not being able to crop is the only thorn in my side re Minimal.

And as always, peeps, if you don't like Minimal, then why bother whinging on about it? Just don't enter this challenge! It really is that simple.

Message edited by author 2012-06-01 08:10:15.

Alex_Petrini

Sony Alpha a7R III

Sony FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM

06/01/2012 08:07:59 AM · #32

Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by cosmicassassin:

Originally posted by mike_311:
i wonder how many other challenges i could recommend that TPTB can ruin with minimal editing.

It's funny, because I think the exact same thing about expert editing.

CS

I too would like to less enhanced editing challenges.

minimal is pointless, i dont understand why we cant use computer software to process but we can use in-camera software to process.

so basically we get to edit on a 3" lcd (or smaller), that's just stupid.

It's not the same thing. It's like choosing a different film with old cameras ;)

06/01/2012 08:09:41 AM · #33

Originally posted by MaryO:

I can't resist at least trying to shoot something for a Minimal challenge.

i can.

rooum

06/01/2012 08:10:42 AM · #34

Originally posted by mike_311:

minimal is pointless, i dont understand why we cant use computer software to process but we can use in-camera software to process.

.

I do kind of agree with you there. Particularly as camera settings get more advanced and can do more with them. Like i said, i like the no cropping restriction of Minimal a lot though and seeing as we can do so much in Basic now i still like a base, as little as possible, ruleset.

Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II

06/01/2012 08:18:59 AM · #35

Originally posted by snaffles:

And as always, peeps, if you don't like Minimal, then why bother whinging on about it? Just don't enter this challenge! It really is that simple.

It's what chatrooms are for ;)

Seriously though I wasn't moaning I think I said several times for those that like it it's been long overdue.

I am going out tonight to try and attempt to shoot for the challenge, if I get something (I am talking about quality of settings output rather than quality of image - in particular sharpness levels - I still have to seriously sharpen in DPP to get my images anywhere near sharp on the 5D3 I believe it's an issue that has been discussed before) then I will enter if not I don't think I will be spending all week trying to perfect the in camera settings to get something I would be happy to submit.

snaffles

Nikon D7100

06/01/2012 08:19:08 AM · #36

From the You May menu for Minimal:

use any feature of your camera while photographing your entry, with the exception of combining multiple captures in-camera.
rotate your entry by 90, 180 or 270 degrees.
resize your entry once.
sharpen your entry using your editing softwareâ��s â��sharpenâ�� or equivalent option. The use of customizable sharpening tools, such as Unsharp Mask, is not allowed.
fully desaturate your image using your editing softwareâ��s â��desaturate,â�� â��convert to grayscaleâ�� or equivalent function. Customizable tools are not allowed.
request removal of your own entry during the voting period IF none of your last 25 entries were disqualified or removed, and no rules were violated.
include images that are clearly recognizable as existing artwork when photographing your entry. Images that could be mistaken for real objects in the scene may also be included, but must not be so prominent that voters are basically judging a photo of a photo.

See,

MarkA, you are allowed to sharpen - I was pretty sure of it but still half-asleep so didn't want to post prematurely.

Now, are we done whining about Minimal?! I'm a single-capture person so I wasn't very happy with the way Advanced went from being single-capture to allowing up to 10 captures a few years back, but I don't go on and on about it.

Message edited by author 2012-06-01 08:20:04.

Ecce_Signum

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

06/01/2012 08:29:09 AM · #37

I'm looking forward to another minimal challenge :) but am a little confused about the description..

Use the wide end of the lens built-in to your camera or the widest lens in your bag while taking your picture this week.

Canon 10-22 is my widest lens but it doesn't fit on the 1DMKIIn, 15mm fisheye is the next widest and 17-40 is most likely weapon of choice. There is no way of policing the choice so why add it to the description? The widest lens in my bag might be the 300/2.8 though the voters might not see the funny side of that lol.

Nikon MF Micro-Nikkor 85mm f/2.8D PC

06/01/2012 08:39:34 AM · #38

Originally posted by snaffles:

Unfortunately no it doesn't help at all, the sharpen feature is NOOOOO where near the same as sharpen in RAW processing software.

And again I repeat I am not whinging lol seriously take a look at my posts they are not whingy at all or not intended to sound that way anyway.

chazoe

Nikon Z7 FX

06/01/2012 08:49:03 AM · #39

We've had nothing but advanced and expert lately so a minimal challenge is a nice change of pace. Minimal forces me to slow down and think more about composition and timing, it's a great way to learn and practice your photography.

klkitchens

Pentax K-1

Pentax FA 50mm f/1.4 AF

06/01/2012 08:49:28 AM · #40

Originally posted by gyaban:

Some change is good, or one gets bored :)

The question is... will you brown in a minimal challenge :)

(totally kidding... you have to take great photos to make the great images you have -- We should rename "Expert Editing" to "Gyaban Editing" :)

Yo_Spiff

Olympus OM-D E-M5 Mark III

Olympus 12-100mm f/4.0 M.Zuiko ED IS PRO

06/01/2012 08:55:51 AM · #41

Didn't even realize it was minimal until I saw it mentioned here. Setting the camera to RAW+JPG...

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

06/01/2012 09:00:07 AM · #42

Originally posted by chazoe:

We've had nothing but advanced and expert lately so a minimal challenge is a nice change of pace.

but why did it have to be this one?

that's fine though, i just wont play this time, not like that hasn't been a trend lately... my membership is up next month and if Langdon wants my $25 again, we better start getting better challenge topics with better rule sets.

Message edited by author 2012-06-01 09:01:28.

gyaban

Canon EOS-1D X

06/01/2012 09:01:48 AM · #43

Originally posted by klkitchens:

The question is... will you brown in a minimal challenge :)

Who knows :) In fact I have a ribbon in minimal editing, so at least I can say I tried it.

I am personally not really interested in such challenge anymore though: I tend to consider that as a photographer, keeping a direct control over simple parameters (contrast, saturation, white balance, etc.) and not letting an embedded software do it on-the-fly for you is a must. Not mentioning how gear dependent such challenge is (a good wide-angle lens without noticeable deformation is expensive, so is a camera body that will natively have a gigantic dynamic range, external lighting on battery, etc.: someone with a important budget is clearly at advantage over someone who uses modest gear, and by rules, can't make it up via processing).

chazoe

Nikon Z7 FX

Nikon MF Micro-Nikkor 85mm f/2.8D PC

06/01/2012 09:03:12 AM · #44

Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by chazoe:
We've had nothing but advanced and expert lately so a minimal challenge is a nice change of pace.

but why did it have to be this one?

that's fine though, i just wont play this time, not like that hasn't been a trend lately... my membership is up next month and if Langdon wants my $25 again, we better start getting better challenge topics with better rule sets.

"Better rule sets"? We've had one minimal challenge in how long? Way too much complainig about challenge topics and rule sets.

PennyStreet

Olympus OM-D E-M1

Olympus 17mm f/1.8 M.Zuiko

06/01/2012 09:05:17 AM · #45

Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by jagar:

Go on Mike, we no you can do it, I'm counting on you and would love to see you win this one.

i'll pass and yes im bitter. photography is fun for me and this wont be any fun.

Fun is what you make it. I've been entering Expert challenges every Thursday for the past few weeks. Fun? Yeah, a little, and at least I tried. I'd love to see some minimal efforts from the digital art crowd.

Sony Sonnar FE 2.8 35mm ZA

06/01/2012 09:17:44 AM · #46

Originally posted by chazoe:

"Better rule sets"? We've had one minimal challenge in how long? Way too much complainig about challenge topics and rule sets.

yeah it would be nice if someone thought it through. i feel like wide angle was up and becuase of all the harping on so many expert challenges that this was was made minimal without even considering how it would impact the use of a WA lens.

i suggested this challenge and now i dont even want to participate becuase of the editing restrictions, sorry if im a little peeved.

Message edited by author 2012-06-01 09:19:35.

rooum

06/01/2012 09:27:21 AM · #47

Originally posted by mike_311:

i suggested this challenge and now i dont even want to participate becuase of the editing restrictions, sorry if im a little peeved.

I do kind of think that if someone suggests a challenge then the choice of ruleset should be theirs. I can see why Mike is annoyed and agree that Minimal is perhaps not the best ruleset for a Wide Angle challenge.

Message edited by author 2012-06-01 09:27:35.

jagar

Samsung Galaxy S9/S9+

06/01/2012 09:36:16 AM · #48

Originally posted by rooum:

Originally posted by mike_311:

i suggested this challenge and now i dont even want to participate becuase of the editing restrictions, sorry if im a little peeved.

I do kind of think that if someone suggests a challenge then the choice of ruleset should be theirs. I can see why Mike is annoyed and agree that Minimal is perhaps not the best ruleset for a Wide Angle challenge.

If we listened to Mike everything would be expert ;-)

I would have prefered advanced or basic for this one but it is what it is, let's just live with it, I don't really enjoy expert (I'm not that good at it) but I've gotten used to the idea that there will be an expert challenge quite often, such is life.

Ecce_Signum

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

06/01/2012 09:51:20 AM · #49

I remember when I joined dpc (too many moons ago to remember)that somebody said to me "Imagine you work for a newspaper/magazine and the editor asks you to go out and take a shot of a, b, or c, using their choice of lens and wanting a specific result by a certain date, now, lets say they wanted a picture of a steam train in a rural setting and you went out and shot a new London underground train in a tunnel. Would your creative skills please the editor? would he change the theme of his article to match your image? would his steam train magazine viewers suddenly think this was they way they should now go? probably not"

Now, that wasn't verbatim but you get the idea. Rather than whine about what I've been asked to to I'm freelance so just don't take the job/challenge.

And imho rather than hinder a photographer I think minimal editing makes them think a little harder about the shot and aesthetics in order to do the best they can within the ruleset.